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Old 04-01-2021, 11:47 AM   #26
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Texas basketball just got a whole lot more boring for their fans.
Did you ever actually watch any of UT's games while Shaka was there? Tech played at a faster pace than Texas for 3 of the last 4 seasons. Shaka's Texas teams have mostly been painful to watch. For that matter, the way Texas played under Rick Barnes even during his successful years wasn't always easy on the eyes. Winning is a lot less boring than losing, regardless of the style.

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If he lands the recruits Shaka did, then those recruits are going to hate how slow his style is, and how much he demands on the defensive end.
This post doesn't make much sense. Shaka was also demanding on defense, and Texas was generally very good on D under him. (His offenses were mostly mediocre to bad, especially at the end of close games, and they sucked at FT shooting most of the time.)
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Old 04-01-2021, 11:49 AM   #27
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the only difference between Self and Beard success is that Mario Chalmers hit his big shot and Culver missed his. Self is at a blue blood and Beard is at freakin Tech. If I had the choice between the two, I'd pick Beard over Self.
Going more than a little too far there. Self is far more proven and accomplished than Beard.
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Old 04-01-2021, 11:51 AM   #28
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Lol, I would take Bill Self without even blinking.

You'd have to go back to his 2nd year as a head coach to find the last time he lost 9 games in conference.

Chris Beard went to an elite 8 and then a NCG in his 2nd year at Tech, and has since gone 18-13 and 18-11 going 9-9 in league play and 9-8 in league play.
And while the last post I quoted was over the top, this comparison is pretty weak and lacking in context as well. Self took over a premier job that had just lost the NC game by 3 points. Beard coached at Texas Tech.
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Old 04-01-2021, 11:55 AM   #29
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We all knew this was coming. Good hire for texas. Beard is a good coach. It remains to be seen how good he will be at texas.

This doesnít really change anything for OU. We have to hire the right coach or weíll continue to be in 7-10th place regardless of who is coaching at texas.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:13 PM   #30
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He wasted no time moving that program right past ours.
This season, Tech finished one seed spot ahead of OU, with the same conference record as OU. Last season, Tech finished two spots behind OU, with the same conference record.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:14 PM   #31
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Did you ever actually watch any of UT's games while Shaka was there? Tech played at a faster pace than Texas for 3 of the last 4 seasons. Shaka's Texas teams have mostly been painful to watch. For that matter, the way Texas played under Rick Barnes even during his successful years wasn't always easy on the eyes. Winning is a lot less boring than losing, regardless of the style.



This post doesn't make much sense. Shaka was also demanding on defense, and Texas was generally very good on D under him. (His offenses were mostly mediocre to bad, especially at the end of close games, and they sucked at FT shooting most of the time.)

Yeah, you are proving my point. Beard's style is slow, just like Shaka played at Texas. Their fans hated it, their star recruits didn't like it either. It's one the reasons Texas struggled to win.

Yeah, I expect Beard's Texas's teams to do well on defense, just like Smart's. I don't see Beard being a massive upgrade over Shaka Smart, and he's definitely not Bill Self.


Yes, Bill Self went to a program already established, and he's done exactly what he did at Tulsa, Illinois, etc. he won. That's what he does, win. He may cheat to get recruits to do it, but he wins. Just because Beard went to a NCG 1 year doesn't put him on that level. If it does, then I guess Lon Kruger is on that level as well since he took OU to the final four, which isn't Kansas either.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:39 PM   #32
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a final four where you lose by 40 and a NCG where you lose in overtime is not the same thing
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:42 PM   #33
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a final four where you lose by 40 and a NCG where you lose in overtime is not the same thing
It's strange that you have to say that.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:46 PM   #34
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It's strange that you have to say that.
Not on this board.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:57 PM   #35
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Anyone trying to minimize this hire is out of their mind. After their national title appearance, yes.....Tech has come back to the pack the last two seasons. But Beard is a helluva coach. And to intimate or insinuate that Beard's last four/five years are comparable to Lon isn't fair to either coach.....because there is no comparison. Texas is significantly better with him on the sidelines.
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Old 04-01-2021, 01:07 PM   #36
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This season, Tech finished one seed spot ahead of OU, with the same conference record as OU. Last season, Tech finished two spots behind OU, with the same conference record.
So what you're saying is that over the past 5 years (Beard's tenure), Lon's best is comparable to Beard's worst?
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Anyone trying to minimize this hire is out of their mind. After their national title appearance, yes.....Tech has come back to the pack the last two seasons. But Beard is a helluva coach. And to intimate or insinuate that Beard's last four/five years are comparable to Lon isn't fair to either coach.....because there is no comparison. Texas is significantly better with him on the sidelines.
Yep.... the people who have chosen to die on Kruger hill completely ignore context... Tech, as a program, sucks compared to OU. He moved that program past OU. He played in a national title game for crying out loud.

He was at Tech for 5 years... finished 1st in the league once and played in a national title game. At Texas Tech.

He also went 7-3 against OU in the last 10 outings between the two schools.

AT TEXAS TECH.

This is OU basketball... Some of you are forgetting that.
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Old 04-01-2021, 01:21 PM   #38
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i like Lon but i agree with stormspencer as well.

UT hoops got a good coach in Beard. i have some suspicions about the guy, personally, but impressed with his coaching.

meanwhile, we certainly weren't after Beard or IU's hire. Joe C should be number one cat on the block.
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Old 04-01-2021, 01:25 PM   #39
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This season, Tech finished one seed spot ahead of OU, with the same conference record as OU. Last season, Tech finished two spots behind OU, with the same conference record.
You know as well as I do that since we last played in the Final Four, TTech has been noticeably better than us...playing for the National Championship plus an Elite Eight appearance...pretty impressive for that school. Hopefully, Texas hiring Beard will motivate Joe C to up his game a little so we can at least continue to beat them one out of two games.

Iím a superstitious guy...and since I said on this board that Shaka Smart was a great hire for Texas, Iíll say it again. Chris Beard was a great hire for Texas 🙂.
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Old 04-01-2021, 01:30 PM   #40
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Yep.... the people who have chosen to die on Kruger hill completely ignore context... Tech, as a program, sucks compared to OU. He moved that program past OU. He played in a national title game for crying out loud.

He was at Tech for 5 years... finished 1st in the league once and played in a national title game. At Texas Tech.

He also went 7-3 against OU in the last 10 outings between the two schools.

AT TEXAS TECH.

This is OU basketball... Some of you are forgetting that.
And you may be forgetting how bad a shape we were in when Lon took over, on and off the floor.
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Old 04-01-2021, 01:49 PM   #41
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Iím a superstitious guy...and since I said on this board that Shaka Smart was a great hire for Texas, Iíll say it again. Chris Beard was a great hire for Texas 🙂.
great hire. heh.

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Anyone trying to minimize this hire is out of their mind. After their national title appearance, yes.....Tech has come back to the pack the last two seasons. But Beard is a helluva coach. And to intimate or insinuate that Beard's last four/five years are comparable to Lon isn't fair to either coach.....because there is no comparison. Texas is significantly better with him on the sidelines.
And TT is significantly worse. So other than the fact that we are supposed to hate Texas, how does this change have much of an impact on what OU basketball does? It doesn't.

Many conferences have great teams at the top. If Beard turns UT into Kansas, great. Maybe that will push OU to actually better our program. There'll be plenty of room at the top for us if we find the right coach.
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College basketball history is FULL of guys that succeed coaching at one spot, and not the next. Beard is a good coach, but there are plenty of reasons to think he won't take UT any higher than he had taken TT.
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College basketball history is FULL of guys that succeed coaching at one spot, and not the next. Beard is a good coach, but there are plenty of reasons to think he won't take UT any higher than he had taken TT.
Name 3 examples of successful coaches that didn't succeed after switching to teams in the same state and conference.
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If Beard turns UT into Kansas, great.
Not great. Very not great.
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Name 3 examples of successful coaches that didn't succeed after switching to teams in the same state and conference.
lol, what?
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If Beard turns UT into Kansas, great. h.
This is the board that likes to give lectures to OU fans, so I guess Iíll give my first lecture. No self-respecting OU fan could ever say this about the University of Texas. I hate that university with everything I have. Iíll never forget or forgive Royale Ivey grabbing his crotch at half court in Norman after Texas came back from 16 down and kept OU from winning the big 12 championship in either 2003 or 2004. Behind UT football I hate Kansas basketball so if Texas basketball gets up to that same level, I donít know if I can deal with that.
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lol, what?
Chris Beard is staying in the same state and conference. Name 3 examples of coaches that did that without success. I might settle for one.
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This is the board that likes to give lectures to OU fans, so I guess Iíll give my first lecture. No self-respecting OU fan could ever say this about the University of Texas. I hate that university with everything I have. Iíll never forget or forgive Royale Ivey grabbing his crotch at half court in Norman after Texas came back from 16 down and kept OU from winning the big 12 championship in either 2003 or 2004. Behind UT football I hate Kansas basketball so if Texas basketball gets up to that same level, I donít know if I can deal with that.
I just don't give a crap about them. UT football was pretty danged good under Mack Brown, and Bob Stoops and our Sooners kicked the snot out of them and accomplished so much more in those years. I worry about OU. If we take care of our program, nothing UT does will matter.

While I don't necessarily root for Big 12 teams in OOC games, I do think it's better for OU (in both sports) if the league has multiple good teams.
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Chris Beard is staying in the same state and conference. Name 3 examples of coaches that did that without success. I might settle for one.
Why does in state and in conference matter? I certainly didn't say anything about that.

Can I name coaches that had success and took a new job and didn't?
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