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Old 04-14-2021, 07:04 PM   #51
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Trae's doing what he can to get BT to Norman. He reportedly sent him a tweet that read, “Come on home lil bro !! #BoomerSooner.”
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Do we have a chance here?
I imagine his high school teammate Phips isn't telling him how great his time was at OU.
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I imagine his high school teammate Phips isn't telling him how great his time was at OU.
Lol. Slightly different players.
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Old 04-14-2021, 09:43 PM   #54
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Not to say he couldn’t have been a contributor had he stayed 4 years but I have to believe part of his offer had to do with trying to get Bryce.
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Not to say he couldn’t have been a contributor had he stayed 4 years but I have to believe part of his offer had to do with trying to get Bryce.
nope fully separate deal ..
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Not to say he couldn’t have been a contributor had he stayed 4 years but I have to believe part of his offer had to do with trying to get Bryce.
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Not to say he couldn’t have been a contributor had he stayed 4 years but I have to believe part of his offer had to do with trying to get Bryce.
This is pretty much correct. The staff thought he could contribute down the line, and they knew it wouldn't hurt in Bryce's recruitment. Trey would've been a decent player for us in a couple of years had he stayed and grown stronger.

It wasn't the oil and water situation Lon faced when it came to Trae Young and Lindy Waters. Or the disaster scenario Kelvin confronted with Bookout/DeAngelo and Azubuike.
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This is pretty much correct. The staff thought he could contribute down the line, and they knew it wouldn't hurt in Bryce's recruitment. Trey would've been a decent player for us in a couple of years had he stayed and grown stronger.

It wasn't the oil and water situation Lon faced when it came to Trae Young and Lindy Waters. Or the disaster scenario Kelvin confronted with Bookout/DeAngelo and Azubuike.
Agreed. That is a nice explanation.
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As great as Bryce is, we need more help down low. I’ll absolutely take Bryce in a heartbeat, but the main priority is PFs and Cs, so if we don’t get him but fill those needs with quality, I’ll be fine.

I just hope he goes somewhere where he can play his style, and he doesn’t get conned/lied to again.
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Trey would've been a decent player for us in a couple of years had he stayed and grown stronger.
this is why i hate the portal and the now culture ..
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this is why i hate the portal and the now culture ..
You and me both, Boss.

To build a great team here, we've got to get old. And the portal makes that REALLY hard. Tyler Neal was a really solid player for us in 2014. He would've been long gone by then in today's game. A bunch of my favorite players over the years put in the time and became contributors late in their careers after growing into their somewhat limited roles. I think of Jason Yanish having a big Senior day against Greg Ostertag. Or Robert Allison with a huge block to seal a comeback win against Iowa State.
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You and me both, Boss.

To build a great team here, we've got to get old. And the portal makes that REALLY hard. Tyler Neal was a really solid player for us in 2014. He would've been long gone by then in today's game. A bunch of my favorite players over the years put in the time and became contributors late in their careers after growing into their somewhat limited roles. I think of Jason Yanish having a big Senior day against Greg Ostertag. Or Robert Allison with a huge block to seal a comeback win against Iowa State.
The portal makes it hard to get old? That makes no sense.. Lots of these guys are grad transfers. That's as old as it gets. So far Frank Haith has brought in a 5 year senior from Colorado, and a 4th year senior from UTA using the portal. Last year he brought in a RS-Junior from Illinois State. They got old, real fast.

St. Johns, and I know this because I was following Mike Anderson during the coaching search, has brought in 2-3 seniors from Purdue and other places from the portal.

You guys are having a hard time adjusting to this, but it's good for all levels of basketball. I don't think you guys are seeing the big picture.
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The portal makes it hard to get old? That makes no sense.. Lots of these guys are grad transfers. That's as old as it gets. So far Frank Haith has brought in a 5 year senior from Colorado, and a 4th year senior from UTA using the portal. Last year he brought in a RS-Junior from Illinois State. They got old, real fast.

St. Johns, and I know this because I was following Mike Anderson during the coaching search, has brought in 2-3 seniors from Purdue and other places from the portal.

You guys are having a hard time adjusting to this, but it's good for all levels of basketball. I don't think you guys are seeing the big picture.
I think the point was getting old in the same system, same team. When you're at a place for 4 years, instead of 1, it means a little bit more.
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The portal makes it hard to get old? That makes no sense.. Lots of these guys are grad transfers. That's as old as it gets. So far Frank Haith has brought in a 5 year senior from Colorado, and a 4th year senior from UTA using the portal. Last year he brought in a RS-Junior from Illinois State. They got old, real fast.

St. Johns, and I know this because I was following Mike Anderson during the coaching search, has brought in 2-3 seniors from Purdue and other places from the portal.

You guys are having a hard time adjusting to this, but it's good for all levels of basketball. I don't think you guys are seeing the big picture.
Personally, I don't give two ****s about what Frank Haith or Mike Anderson are up to at whatever BFE outpost they're currently coaching. In my opinion, AT OKLAHOMA, you get old and you gel. I may be dead-assed wrong, and they don't pay me millions of dollars a year to be right, but I think our best course of action is to pursue basketball players who will come to OU, get bigger and stronger, and become key parts in the cog.

Not to open a can of worms, but the Payton Pritchard recruitment still haunts me. Of course Trae Young is a far-better basketball player. But we, OU, the UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA, would've been better served with four-years of Payton Pritchard. Get these guys. Get them here. Get them bigger and stronger. Know your roles. That's how we're going to bump up a level. You could see it once Spangler got on the floor in 2014. The parts were all there, they just had to grow: 5-seed, 3-seed, Final Four. Step by step.

That's how we win here.
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I think the point was getting old in the same system, same team. When you're at a place for 4 years, instead of 1, it means a little bit more.
Yea maybe, but look at popular the flexibility apparently is to the players... It's their education, their experience, their work, their life, their blood/sweat/tears... Not ours.

OU will snag 2-4 of these dudes in the portal, and everyone will be happy with it. Guaranteed.

Players happy.... fans happy.... coaches happy.
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I'm all about organic high school prospect recruiting/growth and development but i'm all about JCs and transfers if needed especially in a situation like this for Moser. He's had next to no time to cultivate any relationships. I say raid JCs and transfers this year if needed and maybe some next, but then really focus on growing your program with HS guys. Not just for the effectiveness and continuity of the program, but it seems easier for the fans to fall in love with the players/team if they're here longer.
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Yea maybe, but look at popular the flexibility apparently is to the players... It's their education, their experience, their work, their life, their blood/sweat/tears... Not ours.

OU will snag 2-4 of these dudes in the portal, and everyone will be happy with it. Guaranteed.

Players happy.... fans happy.... coaches happy.
I'm all for 1 free transfer, but you have to admit the portal is out of hand. Fans & coaches aren't happy.
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I'm all for 1 free transfer, but you have to admit the portal is out of hand. Fans & coaches aren't happy.
I am a fan, I am happy. I am confident you guys will be happy too when the dust settles... We will nab 2-4 of these guys and things will be looking really damn good.

Just be patient... This will benefit OU.
  • I bet Eric Musselman at Arkansas is happy... he started 4 transfer players this year and had a great team
  • I bet Fred Hoiberg at ISU was happy a few years ago, when his entire team was transfers and they won the Big 12 a few times.
  • I bet Chris Beard is happy... he's pulling in all sorts of good players.
  • I bet Otzelberger at ISU is happy... he's pulling in transfers as we speak.

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https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/202103260064
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The portal makes it hard to get old? That makes no sense.. Lots of these guys are grad transfers. That's as old as it gets. So far Frank Haith has brought in a 5 year senior from Colorado, and a 4th year senior from UTA using the portal. Last year he brought in a RS-Junior from Illinois State. They got old, real fast.

St. Johns, and I know this because I was following Mike Anderson during the coaching search, has brought in 2-3 seniors from Purdue and other places from the portal.

You guys are having a hard time adjusting to this, but it's good for all levels of basketball. I don't think you guys are seeing the big picture.
it is not good for much and it is terrible for non power 6 schools
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I am a fan, I am happy. I am confident you guys will be happy too when the dust settles... We will nab 2-4 of these guys and things will be looking really damn good.

Just be patient... This will benefit OU.
  • I bet Eric Musselman at Arkansas is happy... he started 4 transfer players this year and had a great team
  • I bet Fred Hoiberg at ISU was happy a few years ago, when his entire team was transfers and they won the Big 12 a few times.
  • I bet Chris Beard is happy... he's pulling in all sorts of good players.
  • I bet Otzelberger at ISU is happy... he's pulling in transfers as we speak.

Good article on this:

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/202103260064
Everyone is pulling transfers because everyone is having transfers leave. Most coaches & fans would rather have much more continuity than what is happening.

You can be happy all you want, but this greatly hurts college basketball when kids go to 3 colleges in 5 years. In Charlie Moore's case 4 in 5 years.
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I'm all for 1 free transfer, but you have to admit the portal is out of hand. Fans & coaches aren't happy.
Oh no, you are losing more control over an actual human being. Won't someone think about you when kids make decisions that affect their life and not yours.

No one gives two sh**s that Lon left a roster of Kids here, Beard left a roster of kids at Tech, and Moser left a roster of kids and Loyola, but the kids leave for what ever reason they feel right and now you have a problem.
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Oh no, you are losing more control over an actual human being. Won't someone think about you when kids make decisions that affect their life and not yours.

No one gives two sh**s that Lon left a roster of Kids here, Beard left a roster of kids at Tech, and Moser left a roster of kids and Loyola, but the kids leave for what ever reason they feel right and now you have a problem.
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Oh no, you are losing more control over an actual human being. Won't someone think about you when kids make decisions that affect their life and not yours.

No one gives two sh**s that Lon left a roster of Kids here, Beard left a roster of kids at Tech, and Moser left a roster of kids and Loyola, but the kids leave for what ever reason they feel right and now you have a problem.
Read my posts. I'm all for 1 free transfer for kids who don't like their situation. But anything after their 1 free transfer I think they should have to sit out a year to transfer again. If you really want to transfer again then you'll have to make sacrifices to do so, not just because things didn't go your way & you make a snap decision. If not, you'll continually see 800+ transfers a year & kids like Tshiebwa (WVU) get recruited & tampered with mid-year.

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Read my posts. I'm all for 1 free transfer for kids who don't like their situation. But anything after their 1 free transfer I think they should have to sit out a year to transfer again. If not, you'll continually see 800+ transfers a year & kids like Tshiebwa (WVU) get recruited & tampered with mid-year.
Totally agree. The guys that transfer because their coach leaves are completely understandable, but those are the exception and should be given leeway even with a one time transfer rule. But it needs to stay at one only without penalty. Heck, some of these kids want to transfer after a bad practice. Some of the examples of 4 schools in 5 years are utterly ridiculous.
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There is nothing wrong with pointing out the current ridiculous state of the portal. Is it “selfish?” Well, sure, but that’s what being a fan is all about. Fans are concerned about their team and the state of the game and their own personal enjoyment of it. If selfishness wasn’t a factor then a team could go 0-30 every year and the reply should be “hey just be happy that you got to watch college basketball this year.”

I’ve said this before, I do NOT believe this is actually in the best interest of the players either. Unmitigated freedom to move is not necessarily the best thing for a young kid. If I see a kid played for 3 different HS “academies” and then is in the portal after his freshmen year in college, I am VERY skeptical of how that is actually benefiting the young man and to me likely points more to him having his strings pulled and likely having his head filled with delusions of grandeur.

I mean, a basketball roster in college has about 15 guys on it. Do these kids not do that math? Not all 15 are all going to play optimal minutes in optimal roles right from the VERY beginning. I wonder, did Phipps think he was gonna be all B12 as a freshmen? Did he not think that perhaps with his skill set/size that there was going to a pretty strong likelihood that playing at a P5 school (especially on a tourney team) might mean he rides the pine for a couple of years before getting a more legitimate shot after he’s grown/improved?

One of the fun/enjoyable things for college fans is the connection they have between themselves and the players. I’m a Sooner. Just like Wayman. Just like Buddy, etc. Personally, I have always been a bigger fan of pro sports and part of that is understanding/accepting that players come and go regularly. Your favorite may not be there forever. I’m fine with that and always have been. One reason I also like college sports is because it’s different. I like the contrast and different experiences as a fan. Same reason why I like baseball, basketball, AND football so much— they are different. I take away different things from each. The new transfer rules in college along with the mentality it seems to breed, greatly reduce that sense of “in it” for many fans. In all seriousness would we feel the same way about Buddy if he played here for two years but also played for Kansas and Michigan? What if Adrian Peterson had a historic year for the Sooners and then finished with Clemson? It’s OK to admit that it kind of sucks for the product.

I don’t really see a big issue with the sitting out a year rules. You don’t lose a year of eligibility and it’s not like you have to pay your own way during that year you have to sit out. You are still getting all the perks, attending class, etc. there is just a buffer year in place to help tamp down things from becoming rampant. 100% of athletes would still be allowed to transfer. No one is “trapped.” If you feel you made a bad decision or got screwed, you can still leave. You just have to sit out a year before you can play again. I honestly see nothing wrong with that. I don’t think it’s indentured servitude. And as always, in the case of a hardship there is a process already in place there. I’d also be perhaps willing to waive it as well in the situation of a head coaching change.

But what we have now is college free agency. And it will almost certainly have a negative effect on how fans view the game. Will it “end” college basketball? Of course not. Will it weaken an already weakened product? I think so. I also think you have to live in reality and adapt. If this is the way it’s going to be, at a school like OU I might come close to completely stopping recruiting HS kids. As 04 said, we might be best served almost always having an “old” team. Can’t really do that with your own kids now, so maybe every year OU should just be targeting upperclassmen that have exceeded expectations at smaller schools, let those schools develop them, and then pounce. Try to get 3-4 every year and essentially have a new team every season. Pretty much never have a freshmen or sophomore on the floor. I wouldn’t waste one second on a kid who needs development moving forward. If he’s not ready to rock the minute he steps on campus, I wouldn’t even look at him. Let him go somewhere else and then try to get him later when he’s put in the work.
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