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Old 07-14-2021, 12:55 PM   #1
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OU with the 4th best in the league (tied with WVU)

BU +1200
KU +1300
UT +2000
OU +3500
WVU +3500
Tech +5000
OSU +5000
TCU +10000
ISU +20000
KSU +25000

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Old 07-14-2021, 01:31 PM   #2
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OU with the 4th best in the league (tied with WVU)

BU +1200
KU +1300
UT +2000
OU +3500
WVU +3500
Tech +5000
OSU +5000
TCU +10000
ISU +20000
KSU +25000

https://sports.co.betmgm.com/en/spor...ica-9/ncaa-264
Wow, even the view through my crimson-colored glasses wouldn't give us the 4th best odds with a new coach and new roster of mostly non-P5 experienced players.

I am all in on Porter Moser and what he can do for our program but this is optimistic IMO. I agree we are competing for the 5 spot but thought maybe OSU or WVa would be ahead of us. Maybe Vegas is thinking of Moser's tournament runs. At least it's nice to see some positive vibes around basketball.
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Wow, even the view through my crimson-colored glasses wouldn't give us the 4th best odds with a new coach and new roster of mostly non-P5 experienced players.

I am all in on Porter Moser and what he can do for our program but this is optimistic IMO. I agree we are competing for the 5 spot but thought maybe OSU or WVa would be ahead of us. Maybe Vegas is thinking of Moser's tournament runs. At least it's nice to see some positive vibes around basketball.
We have 8 former D-1 starters on our roster, including a conference player of the year, first team all defense in the ACC. If we somehow get Shackelford, we will have the deepest team in the Big 12 and maybe in the country. Throw in that we're loaded with upperclassmen and a coach who had the #1 defense in the nation last year, and we're going to compete at the top of the league.
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We have 8 former D-1 starters on our roster, including a conference player of the year, first team all defense in the ACC. If we somehow get Shackelford, we will have the deepest team in the Big 12 and maybe in the country. Throw in that we're loaded with upperclassmen and a coach who had the #1 defense in the nation last year, and we're going to compete at the top of the league.
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We have 8 former D-1 starters on our roster, including a conference player of the year, first team all defense in the ACC. If we somehow get Shackelford, we will have the deepest team in the Big 12 and maybe in the country. Throw in that we're loaded with upperclassmen and a coach who had the #1 defense in the nation last year, and we're going to compete at the top of the league.
Gave me a chub reading that. Would read again
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Old 07-14-2021, 02:27 PM   #6
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We have 8 former D-1 starters on our roster, including a conference player of the year, first team all defense in the ACC. If we somehow get Shackelford, we will have the deepest team in the Big 12 and maybe in the country. Throw in that we're loaded with upperclassmen and a coach who had the #1 defense in the nation last year, and we're going to compete at the top of the league.
I agree with the optimism when it comes to our team. Only thing I would quibble with ... I think Kansas has the deepest roster even if we add Shackelford. I think KU and Baylor are the teams to beat but am bullish on our team.
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We have 8 former D-1 starters on our roster, including a conference player of the year, first team all defense in the ACC. If we somehow get Shackelford, we will have the deepest team in the Big 12 and maybe in the country. Throw in that we're loaded with upperclassmen and a coach who had the #1 defense in the nation last year, and we're going to compete at the top of the league.
Some OU fans are scared to put expectations on this coach/team, b/c they might fail. I agree. All signs point to this being a top 4, definitely top 5 team. I'll be pretty disappointed if they aren't.
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I think we'll have a tourney team, but don't expect to make much noise in March unless Shackelford joins.
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Some OU fans are scared to put expectations on this coach/team, b/c they might fail. I agree. All signs point to this being a top 4, definitely top 5 team. I'll be pretty disappointed if they aren't.
We can absolutely be top 4. 3rd is my gut feeling.

Texas and Baylor ku will all be good.
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I think we'll have a tourney team, but don't expect to make much noise in March unless Shackelford joins.
Curious why? We have a ton of talent.
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Curious why? We have a ton of talent.
You weren't asking me but I'll respond: You never know how a bunch of new players (and that's mostly what we have) will mesh, especially under a new head coach. I'm very hopeful for the upcoming season and can't wait for it to start, but I'm not inclined to predict great things -- I'm just waiting to see how it all plays out. (But then this is my approach to most seasons -- I'm not much of a prognosticator, generally speaking.)
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Curious why? We have a ton of talent.
We have a deep roster of players that can contribute, but I don't see much star-power. I'd be very surprised if anybody was first or second team all-conference, and we certainly don't have any All-American candidates. Teams can certainly play at a high-level without stars, but those are typically teams with years of experience playing together. From top to bottom, this coaching staff and roster are almost entirely new.
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We can absolutely be top 4. 3rd is my gut feeling.

Texas and Baylor ku will all be good.
Baylor might be good, but I think they take a major step back this year. And I don't know what KU has added, but they haven't been "scary" in a couple of years.

Agree with you though. OU can make some noise this year.
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Baylor might be good, but I think they take a major step back this year. And I don't know what KU has added, but they haven't been "scary" in a couple of years.

Agree with you though. OU can make some noise this year.
Baylor won't be one of the two best teams in the country like they were all last season, but they won't be too far down. KU added a ton. Also, they were the undisputed number one team in the country and the betting favorite to win it all heading into the postseason in 2020 -- not sure how that is anything other than scary.
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We have 8 former D-1 starters on our roster, including a conference player of the year, first team all defense in the ACC. If we somehow get Shackelford, we will have the deepest team in the Big 12 and maybe in the country. Throw in that we're loaded with upperclassmen and a coach who had the #1 defense in the nation last year, and we're going to compete at the top of the league.
whoa...tap the breaks a bit
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You weren't asking me but I'll respond: You never know how a bunch of new players (and that's mostly what we have) will mesh, especially under a new head coach. I'm very hopeful for the upcoming season and can't wait for it to start, but I'm not inclined to predict great things -- I'm just waiting to see how it all plays out. (But then this is my approach to most seasons -- I'm not much of a prognosticator, generally speaking.)
This.

There may be talent but I think we are overvaluing some of this new talent.
And anytime you ahve a roster overhaul, you don't know how it will come together. And add in a new coach. There are just too many unknowns.

And lastly, There have been numerous times in the last decade that I have been really excited going into the season and thought we would have a shot at being in the top 3 of the conference...most of the time I end up being disappointed.

Optimism is good...but it needs checked at times
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This.

There may be talent but I think we are overvaluing some of this new talent.
And anytime you ahve a roster overhaul, you don't know how it will come together. And add in a new coach. There are just too many unknowns.

And lastly, There have been numerous times in the last decade that I have been really excited going into the season and thought we would have a shot at being in the top 3 of the conference...most of the time I end up being disappointed.

Optimism is good...but it needs checked at times
We get it. Your cup is half empty. My cup is overflowing.

Iím usually pretty reasonable in my predictions and have been reasonable here. We have the key components of a basketball team that can compete at the top of the league. Not win the league, but weíll compete:

Experience - 8 division 1 starters
Maturity - lots of upperclassmen
Depth - 10 guys physically ready to play in the league
Gritty guards
Quickness
Shooting and versatility on the bench

What do we lack?
Chemistry
roles
some guard scoring punch in our starting lineup
A little length
Front court athleticism
An answer at the 4

Iím confident Moser will get the first two worked out. Shackelford solves the 3rd. Weíll be a good team with a chance to be super annoying to the really good teams.
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We get it. Your cup is half empty. My cup is overflowing.

Iím usually pretty reasonable in my predictions and have been reasonable here. We have the key components of a basketball team that can compete at the top of the league. Not win the league, but weíll compete:

Experience - 8 division 1 starters
Maturity - lots of upperclassmen
Depth - 10 guys physically ready to play in the league
Gritty guards
Quickness
Shooting and versatility on the bench

What do we lack?
Chemistry
roles
some guard scoring punch in our starting lineup
A little length
Front court athleticism
An answer at the 4

Iím confident Moser will get the first two worked out. Shackelford solves the 3rd. Weíll be a good team with a chance to be super annoying to the really good teams.
I hope you are right
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This is one of the few benefits of the transfer portal & immediate eligibility. A new coach can come in almost right away & construct the roster to fit what he wants to do.

LK wanted spacing, 2-3 guys who are good 1v1, 2-3 shooters, & an athletic 5. Offense is tailored around mismatches & angles.

PM wants ball movers, guys who execute sets, slower tempo, and a very skilled 5 to run through.

Normally it would take a coach 3 years to construct his type of roster with that big of a change, now it takes 3 months.
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This.

There may be talent but I think we are overvaluing some of this new talent.
And anytime you ahve a roster overhaul, you don't know how it will come together. And add in a new coach. There are just too many unknowns.

And lastly, There have been numerous times in the last decade that I have been really excited going into the season and thought we would have a shot at being in the top 3 of the conference...most of the time I end up being disappointed.

Optimism is good...but it needs checked at times
What Big 12 teams don't have major roster/coaching turnover? That is simply the way things are now with COVID and the Portal. KU and Baylor both with a lot of new faces. UT and TT with new coaches and considerable player turnover. OSU loses the #1 pick in the NBA draft.
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What Big 12 teams don't have major roster/coaching turnover? That is simply the way things are now with COVID and the Portal. KU and Baylor both with a lot of new faces. UT and TT with new coaches and considerable player turnover. OSU loses the #1 pick in the NBA draft.
I can't answer that. But losing a player here and there is quite a bit different from a complete roster overhaul
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OSUís odds just got a lot better with their major transfer news as Memphis center (former 5-star recruit) Moussa Cisse is transferring there. Based on what he said, OSU only got him because of Cunningham. Thatís why OU has to leverage guys like Trae Young. Getting a star should lead to getting more of them. It certainly worked for OSU.
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I can't answer that. But losing a player here and there is quite a bit different from a complete roster overhaul
I'm not sure where I saw it, but I saw a breakdown of players leaving and players entering programs, and it wasn't a player or two in most cases. It was 4-5, or more, leaving in many cases.

Wish I could find the link, but I have no idea where I saw it.
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OSUís odds just got a lot better with their major transfer news as Memphis center (former 5-star recruit) Moussa Cisse is transferring there. Based on what he said, OSU only got him because of Cunningham. Thatís why OU has to leverage guys like Trae Young. Getting a star should lead to getting more of them. It certainly worked for OSU.
When it's all said and done, I'm not even sure Groves will be a top 5 big in terms of conference transfers. And he's our big fish.
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OSUís odds just got a lot better with their major transfer news as Memphis center (former 5-star recruit) Moussa Cisse is transferring there. Based on what he said, OSU only got him because of Cunningham. Thatís why OU has to leverage guys like Trae Young. Getting a star should lead to getting more of them. It certainly worked for OSU.
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Heís a good defender, but heís got a LONG way to go on the offensive end.
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