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Old 05-21-2021, 12:24 PM   #1
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I think that with that news, all the guys transferring out have found their new homes.
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Old 05-21-2021, 01:25 PM   #2
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Good school, just not the ACC basketball power we remember from the Tim Duncan, Chris Paul days. Best of luck, Alondes!

And, yes, that’s the last of our former OU player transfer news. Much appreciated!
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Old 05-21-2021, 02:00 PM   #3
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He improved in year two but with his athletic ability he should have been better defender ...man could get up and slam some NASTY dunks? ....
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Old 05-21-2021, 03:35 PM   #4
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Miss him already. Wish he would have stuck but it is what it is.
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Miss him already. Wish he would have stuck but it is what it is.
I'm with you. I wish he hadn't moved on.
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He'll regret this unless he knew he was over recruited
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Moser could have encouraged him to move on. In what world would one transfer from a program like OU with new hot coach to a program like Wake Forest? Yeah either he saw the writing on the wall or Moser white boarded it for him.
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Moser could have encouraged him to move on. In what world would one transfer from a program like OU with new hot coach to a program like Wake Forest? Yeah either he saw the writing on the wall or Moser white boarded it for him.
Or perhaps he didn't see Moser's system as a good fit for him.

We lost a number of players -- Moser surely didn't show them all the door. I'm reasonably happy with what Moser's accomplished so far in bringing players in, but he failed to convince some key players to remain. I think the jury's still out on how some recruits and transfers will view Moser's system.
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He's one that I would have liked to see for another year. So much potential, but he was never quite as successful as I felt he was capable of. I hope he puts it all together next year.
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Or perhaps he didn't see Moser's system as a good fit for him.

We lost a number of players -- Moser surely didn't show them all the door. I'm reasonably happy with what Moser's accomplished so far in bringing players in, but he failed to convince some key players to remain. I think the jury's still out on how some recruits and transfers will view Moser's system.
You are overreacting IMO. Relationships matter. There were a ton of people (not saying this was you) that said coach thibs on football team needs to go because he didn’t land so and so his first year. You have to give people time to make relationships. Moser hit a home run all things considered. Would have been nice to keep Harmon but that’s really the only big loss. Alondes could have been nice in this system IMO but he’s all unrealized potential. Let’s see what we do with the last scholly.

This program has so much momentum rn. Moser is the guy!
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Or perhaps he didn't see Moser's system as a good fit for him.

We lost a number of players -- Moser surely didn't show them all the door. I'm reasonably happy with what Moser's accomplished so far in bringing players in, but he failed to convince some key players to remain. I think the jury's still out on how some recruits and transfers will view Moser's system.
Unlikely. He wasn't really doing consistently well in Kruger's system. He had his moments, but the last staff really didn't get that much out of him. If anything, Moser's system is built to get guys more shots.

Let's take a look at who left:

Victor-left before anybody knew Moser was coming.
Phipps-same
Harmon-was close to coming back, but ultimately left to join the coach who recruited him. Devion handled it poorly anyway.
Garang--Massive project and Moser probably encouraged him to leave
O'Garro--Lightly recruited project, who landed at a non P-5
Manek--Had good career at OU, but soft and doesn't play defense, doubtful Moser begged.
Kuath--Left before Moser got here.
Williams--No defense, which is Mosers MO, and not a really disciplined player. Moser probably laid it out for him.

If anything Moser is a player's coach who guys would want to stay and play for. I'm impressed with the 4 that stayed.

You seem to worry alot about Moser. Try to relax and enjoy the ride, just a little. You know, it's ok to like Kruger AND Moser. No law against it..
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it's ok to like Kruger AND Moser. No law against it..
I'm not being negative regarding Coach Moser; I'm being pragmatic. I'm waiting to see how things go. I'm pleased with the transfers he's brought in, but I'd rather Harmon had stayed than have a one-year transfer. I wish Manek were still a Sooner, and it's ironic to see some here denigrating Brady, given that Moser so clearly wanted him (and Harmon, for that matter) on the team.

Meanwhile, a five-star Oklahoma native chooses oswho over OU for reasons no one's made clear (that I've seen) but I suspect that he may have been dissuaded by Moser's system. I expressed this concern -- that Moser's system is more suited to a place like Loyola than OU, that it might not appeal to four- and five-star guys -- before he was even hired, but I will gladly let it go once Moser proves it unfounded.
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I'm not being negative regarding Coach Moser; I'm being pragmatic. I'm waiting to see how things go. I'm pleased with the transfers he's brought in, but I'd rather Harmon had stayed than have a one-year transfer. I wish Manek were still a Sooner, and it's ironic to see some here denigrating Brady, given that Moser so clearly wanted him (and Harmon, for that matter) on the team.

Meanwhile, a five-star Oklahoma native chooses oswho over OU for reasons no one's made clear (that I've seen) but I suspect that he may have been dissuaded by Moser's system. I expressed this concern -- that Moser's system is more suited to a place like Loyola than OU, that it might not appeal to four- and five-star guys -- before he was even hired, but I will gladly let it go once Moser proves it unfounded.

He choose Osu bc he knew that staff a whole lot better.
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I'm not being negative regarding Coach Moser; I'm being pragmatic. I'm waiting to see how things go. I'm pleased with the transfers he's brought in, but I'd rather Harmon had stayed than have a one-year transfer. I wish Manek were still a Sooner, and it's ironic to see some here denigrating Brady, given that Moser so clearly wanted him (and Harmon, for that matter) on the team.

Meanwhile, a five-star Oklahoma native chooses oswho over OU for reasons no one's made clear (that I've seen) but I suspect that he may have been dissuaded by Moser's system. I expressed this concern -- that Moser's system is more suited to a place like Loyola than OU, that it might not appeal to four- and five-star guys -- before he was even hired, but I will gladly let it go once Moser proves it unfounded.


That ship has sailed and it's not returning to port and perhaps it is best to let it go and look to the future as opposed to rehashing the same hash.
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I doubt Alondes would've defended well enough to earn anything other than spot minutes with this group. Good luck to him. Randolph Childress ain't walking through that door.
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He choose Osu bc he knew that staff a whole lot better.
Now now, no need to bring facts into this
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Now now, no need to bring facts into this
That isn't a fact, it's an opinion.

I'm sure it played a role, but I've heard the bigger issue was the system, or use. Bryce wanted to play in a more free system than Moser typically operates in. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with Moser having a system, and nothing wrong with Bryce wanting what he wants. I'm still curious to see how Moser overcomes this, but having a year of on the court play at OU to show kids might help. Or maybe the transfer market becomes our friend more than HS recruiting. Jury is still out.
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That isn't a fact, it's an opinion.

I'm sure it played a role, but I've heard the bigger issue was the system, or use. Bryce wanted to play in a more free system than Moser typically operates in. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with Moser having a system, and nothing wrong with Bryce wanting what he wants. I'm still curious to see how Moser overcomes this, but having a year of on the court play at OU to show kids might help. Or maybe the transfer market becomes our friend more than HS recruiting. Jury is still out.
It is fact. Thanks for your opinion though.
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It is fact. Thanks for your opinion though.
I’ve heard the same from multiple sources including Bob Pryzbylo at Sooner scoop who has really good sources for hoops.
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That isn't a fact, it's an opinion.

I'm sure it played a role, but I've heard the bigger issue was the system, or use. Bryce wanted to play in a more free system than Moser typically operates in. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with Moser having a system, and nothing wrong with Bryce wanting what he wants. I'm still curious to see how Moser overcomes this, but having a year of on the court play at OU to show kids might help. Or maybe the transfer market becomes our friend more than HS recruiting. Jury is still out.
Can you or somebody else explain what it is about Moser's system that supposedly scares guards away? I've not heard anything about this except on this board. Is all this based on the fact that he's been quoted as saying his offense runs through the bigs? I'm not trying to argue, just seeking knowledge. From what i've heard, Moser's half court offense uses lots of screens to try to get guys shots. Lots of strategy and movement. He places a premium on unselfishness and working to get shots for teammates. His team led his league in field goal percentage like 5 years in a row.

A "free" system sounds good until you have 5 guys standing around the 3 point line, dribbling, and jacking up contested shots with nobody to rebound.
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Can you or somebody else explain what it is about Moser's system that supposedly scares guards away? I've not heard anything about this except on this board. Is all this based on the fact that he's been quoted as saying his offense runs through the bigs? I'm not trying to argue, just seeking knowledge. From what i've heard, Moser's half court offense uses lots of screens to try to get guys shots. Lots of strategy and movement. He places a premium on unselfishness and working to get shots for teammates. His team led his league in field goal percentage like 5 years in a row.

A "free" system sounds good until you have 5 guys standing around the 3 point line, dribbling, and jacking up contested shots with nobody to rebound.
I'm not saying Moser's system is exactly like what Kelvin did at OU offensively, but it's similar. They slow things down. They run sets. He has used bigs (Krutwig most notably) to initiate a lot of his offense in recent years (I think this CAN change). Even if he opens his system up a bit, it's still way more likely to be an offense that spreads the ball around and gets shots out of the offense moreso than out of the talents/skills of individual players.

I think Moser will try to adjust if he gets a talented guard, but if you are a talented guard, there isn't a lot about Moser's recent past to suggest his offense allows for that.

We'll just have to wait and see how Moser is willing to change things from the way he's done them recently. Nobody really knows the answer to that at this point, probably Moser included.
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I’ve heard the same from multiple sources including Bob Pryzbylo at Sooner scoop who has really good sources for hoops.
My source is somebody close to the family here in Tulsa.

He wasn't even that high on OSU the first time around, so yes, he did have a relationship with that staff, but it wasn't like they were in his final list of schools. It's why the initial rumor was him going to TU. He wants to be showcased.
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Meanwhile, a five-star Oklahoma native chooses oswho over OU for reasons no one's made clear (that I've seen) but I suspect that he may have been dissuaded by Moser's system. I expressed this concern -- that Moser's system is more suited to a place like Loyola than OU, that it might not appeal to four- and five-star guys -- before he was even hired, but I will gladly let it go once Moser proves it unfounded.
Lon would never have missed out on Bryce.

OH WAIT...
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Lon would never have missed out on Bryce.

OH WAIT...
We'll never know, of course, if he would have missed out on him this time around -- we were reportedly leading for him the first time around until KU swooped in (we certainly were closer to signing him than oswho was).

But if you insist upon doing a comparison, Lon lost BT to a blue blood. Porter lost BT to ... oswho.

But we're not talking about Kruger. We're talking about Moser. He's our coach now. Let's look to the future.
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We'll never know, of course, if he would have missed out on him this time around -- we were reportedly leading for him the first time around until KU swooped in (we certainly were closer to signing him than oswho was).

But if you insist upon doing a comparison, Lon lost BT to a blue blood. Porter lost BT to ... oswho.

But we're not talking about Kruger. We're talking about Moser. He's our coach now. Let's look to the future.
Oswho just swept us and is likely to have the #1 pick I the draft. Was that also moser’s fault?
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