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Old 05-07-2021, 10:25 AM   #51
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Why do you always look at the offensive side of things when you talk about positions?

It's more about what you can defend and simply who you are on the court with. In today's basketball, offensive positions are almost non-existent. Teams frequently play 4, sometimes even 5 guards. I'd think Mawein would be the 4 MOST of the time (playing along side T. Groves or Chargois). But I could see him being the 5 at times playing alongside J. Groves or Hill. Depends on a host of factors. It's okay to have a 5 that can play outside on offense.
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Old 05-07-2021, 10:34 AM   #52
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I agree with you guys...but when my team played Mercer at Mercer my last year at the college level, we started 5 guards...we only had 5 TO's in 40 minutes but got beat by 30 because we couldn't guard their 6'10" center who dropped like 38 on us. My biggest player was 6'5 so we didn't really have anyone to cover him anyway so we went with 5 guards to handle their press and tried to simply harass the big as much as possible...obviously that didn't work. LOL
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Why do you always look at the offensive side of things when you talk about positions?

It's more about what you can defend and simply who you are on the court with. In today's basketball, offensive positions are almost non-existent. Teams frequently play 4, sometimes even 5 guards. I'd think Mawein would be the 4 MOST of the time (playing along side T. Groves or Chargois). But I could see him being the 5 at times playing alongside J. Groves or Hill. Depends on a host of factors. It's okay to have a 5 that can play outside on offense.
I don't disagree with you, but you jumped all over me in the other thread for saying the exact same thing about Jalen Hill, i.e. that JHill would play the 5 in certain lineups as necessary due to foul trouble or special situations, but that he was primarily a 4.

I even started with "Mawein can guard the 5...". So I'm unsure what I'm doing that's any different than you.

We're saying the same thing. Mawein's the 4. He'll play off of Groves like Aher Aguak at Loyola played off Krutwig. He'll also be the 5 in certain lineups.
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If he can score, that's wonderful. But I hope he's the type of guy who brings the things every night when scoring can come and go... defense/rebounding, physicality, and mental toughness.
Let me put it into perspective for you, Stikboy:

Manek 10.O ppg/ 5.8 rpg
Iwuakor 2.9 ppg/2.6 rpg
Kuath 5.1 ppg/3.8 rpg

T Groves 17.2 ppg/8.0 rpg
J Groves 9.3 ppg/4.2 rpg
Chargois 8.8 ppg/5.4 rpg

Mawein (if he comes) 12.2 ppg/5.2rpg

I think it’s safe to say our front court will be an upgrade even if we don’t get Mawein. Add him to the mix and the word “substantial” is in play. I also think he checks all of the boxes you outlined in your post.
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Old 05-07-2021, 10:59 AM   #56
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Good news today maybe?

Just a hunch. 69 F Akol Mawein (2021) of Navarro College
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Let me put it into perspective for you, Stikboy:

Manek 10.O ppg/ 5.8 rpg
Iwuakor 2.9 ppg/2.6 rpg
Kuath 5.1 ppg/3.8 rpg

T Groves 17.2 ppg/8.0 rpg
J Groves 9.3 ppg/4.2 rpg
Chargois 8.8 ppg/5.4 rpg

Mawein (if he comes) 12.2 ppg/5.2rpg

I think its safe to say our front court will be an upgrade even if we dont get Mawein. Add him to the mix and the word substantial is in play. I also think he checks all of the boxes you outlined in your post.
Could not agree with you more!
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Why do you always look at the offensive side of things when you talk about positions?

It's more about what you can defend and simply who you are on the court with. In today's basketball, offensive positions are almost non-existent. Teams frequently play 4, sometimes even 5 guards. I'd think Mawein would be the 4 MOST of the time (playing along side T. Groves or Chargois). But I could see him being the 5 at times playing alongside J. Groves or Hill. Depends on a host of factors. It's okay to have a 5 that can play outside on offense.
this is spot on who you can guard is what "position" you play ...
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Old 05-07-2021, 11:26 AM   #59
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Could not agree with you more!
We’ve definitely upgraded our bigs.
Kur was a shot blocking fool and should have played a lot more we’ll miss his defense. He was not a good position defender but a long athletic freak. His offense was dunks and layups.
Manek was a good shooter and I’m thankful for his contributions but I’ve never seen a Sooner surrender so many points, such a high shooting percentage, and offensive rebounds to his man
Iwuakor is a 6’5 1/2” or 6’6” guy with a broken jumper trying to get by as a post player through athleticism. There’s a reason he averaged less than 3 points and 3 rebounds per game. If he was 6’9” he’d be all conference but he’s lucky if he’s a true 6’6”. He’s fiesty as all get out but not tall nor skilled enough to be a difference maker in paint. He’s Doo’s size without the midrange jumper or the basketball IQ.


I’d rather have Chargois than both Manek and Kur. And Ethan is the transfer the fan base is least excited about. But he’s listed at 6’9 and 235 prolly about 6’8” 235 but for a for a big who shoots so many threes and doesn’t have a true post game he mixes it up really we on defense, is a solid rebounder and is an exceptional passer. He can post up shorter guys on mismatches. But he plays defense and rebounds like a true post player. He averaged over 12 PPG as Soph.

Groves is a true inside out post player with back to the basket moves and the ability to shoot out to 3 point line. He rebounds well, blocks shots, passes extremely well and is a legit threat to get hot and dominate down low. He’s a guy who has to be accounted for by the defense at all times. Our best big man since Blake. I’d rather have Groves than all the bigs we had last year Manek, Kur and Iwuakor.

Is the big JUCO Akol Maiwen (sp) who decommitted from ark coming?
When doing a comparison JUCO points should count or .60 per point and rebound vs D1. Anyone seen any film on him?

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Weve definitely upgraded our bigs.
Kur was a shot blocking fool and should have played a lot more well miss his defense. He was not a good position defender but a long athletic freak. His offense was dunks and layups.
Manek was a good shooter and Im thankful for his contributions but Ive never seen a Sooner surrender so many points, such a high shooting percentage, and offensive rebounds to his man
Iwuakor is a 65 1/2 or 66 guy with a broken jumper trying to get by as a post player through athleticism. Theres a reason he averaged less than 3 points and 3 rebounds per game. If he was 69 hed be all conference but hes lucky if hes a true 66. Hes fiesty as all get out but not tall nor skilled enough to be a difference maker in paint. Hes Doos size without the midrange jumper or the basketball IQ.


Id rather have Chargois than both Manek and Kur. And Ethan is the transfer the fan base is least excited about. But hes listed at 69 and 235 prolly about 68 235 but for a for a big who shoots so many threes and doesnt have a true post game he mixes it up really we on defense, is a solid rebounder and is an exceptional passer. He can post up shorter guys on mismatches. But he plays defense and rebounds like a true post player. He averaged over 12 PPG as Soph.

Groves is a true inside out post player with back to the basket moves and the ability to shoot out to 3 point line. He rebounds well, blocks shots, passes extremely well and is a legit threat to get hot and dominate down low. Hes a guy who has to be accounted for by the defense at all times. Our best big man since Blake. Id rather have Groves than all the bigs we had last year Manek, Kur and Iwuakor.

Is the big JUCO Akol Maiwen (sp) who decommitted from ark coming?
When doing a comparison JUCO points should count or .60 per point and rebound vs D1. Anyone seen any film on him?
Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pbIKBCxSco
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Old 05-08-2021, 03:59 PM   #62
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I realize its a high light reel but he wasnt what I expected lol 😂
Hes like a stretch 4 with some game...
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I realize its a high light reel but he wasnt what I expected lol 😂
Hes like a stretch 4 with some game...
I should have known an ol rim rocker like you would want to see
more banging on the inside. Mawein can do that too. But hes more versatile than were accustomed to seeing. He also has three years of eligibility left. None of that matters if he doesnt pick OU, of course.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1377625...362c1084ce3b8f
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He reminds me of Pascal Siakam
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I should have known an ol rim rocker like you would want to see
more banging on the inside. Mawein can do that too. But hes more versatile than were accustomed to seeing. He also has three years of eligibility left. None of that matters if he doesnt pick OU, of course.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1377625...362c1084ce3b8f
I do like his game but I expected kind of a Kur type as most African players dont have as much fluidity as he has handling and passing the ball. The kid could definitely help us ....
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He reminds me of Pascal Siakam
I like this comp.
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He reminds me of Pascal Siakam
I can see the resemblance in their games ...
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Is Akol Maiwen close to deciding. Didn't get BT but AMs size seems more of a need.
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