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Old 04-16-2021, 08:29 PM   #251
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I'm not worried about Moser and P5 level players.

I think we just need to stop thinking we're going to have top 10/15 recruiting classes. We'll get 4 star players that want to be here for 3+ years, not 1 and dones or 2 and dones.
And hopefully no pie in the sky projects for the interior/post.
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Old 04-16-2021, 08:54 PM   #252
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Any chance we could get in on Adam Miller from Illinois if Harmon commits to Kentucky, assuming he'll get an offer?
Doubtful. He'll have UK and many others wanting him.

There's plenty of PG type players in the portal. Unfortunately, this is a new staff, so connections to who we are going after aren't going to be there this offseason, so we'll have to rely on the players themselves to talk to reporters and say OU has reached out for us to know.
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FYI, Bishop chose Texa$

Wonder if this helps us with Groves. They already have Timmy Allen. I would assume you pencil in Bishop and Allen as starters as the two forward spots. Groves might be able to beat out Bishop for a starting spot, but his brotherís going to be buried on the depth chart in the front court and canít play a true guard position. I would think they would both want a good situation to play.
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I fear Joe C. overestimated the appeal Coach Moser holds for Power 5-level players.
Legit concern.
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Legit concern.
Can we at least give the guy a month on the job first?

After that, if we've landed no helpful portal targets, we can discuss it as a legitimate concern.
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I fear Joe C. overestimated the appeal Coach Moser holds for Power 5-level players.
Iím curious to hear your insight on what Coach Moserís appeal or lack there of for Power 5-level players is? I must have missed the memo that he didnít realize or doesnít care that there is better overall talent in the Power 5 conferences. Clearly his team/s was/were over matched by those power 5 conferences on their way to a final four/sweet 16.

As another poster said, why donít we give the guy a second to recruit some players, portal and high school/juco talent before we claim to know what his appeal or lack there of it for Power 5 players? We already have other posters wanting to turn away a PG from Duke as well. Crazy world we live in that one player a lot of the board bashed all the time transfers to UNC and now we bash a coach for trying to bring in a player from Duke....

In two years if Coach Moser has had 2 classes come and go and hasnít signed one four star type player through all the routes mentioned above and the results all below average, then sure lets bag on the guy. But 2 weeks into his tenure we are second guessing his recruiting because he has only signed one 3 star top 250 player seems to be a little premature.
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Old 04-17-2021, 08:07 AM   #257
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I understand impatience but it doesn't require a hair on fire response. We should feel lucky to have a competitive team year one, compared to Lon or Capel's.
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Lol. Bring in 2/3 dudes the caliber of harkless and Gibson and weíll be just fine. Heís been the coach for 2 weeks!
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Iím curious to hear your insight on what Coach Moserís appeal or lack there of for Power 5-level players is?
I have none, other than the fact that several players have left (or seemingly are on the verge of doing so) and no others have come in (except a freshman PG, and while I'm eager to see what he can do and I'm certainly not writing him off, I can't help but recall that, had our previous coach brought in the #265 player, he certainly would not have been celebrated for it).

Someone else mentioned that we're not seeing the "excitement boost" (that's likely not the term they used) in recruiting/transfers that one so often sees after a supposedly splashy new hire. Compare and contrast what's occurred at texas in less than two weeks (though I'm the first to admit that I think Beard a shady coach so I'm skeptical of his early results and I would not have Coach Moser resort to the tactics that I think Beard uses).

Some seem willing to wait three or four years for Coach Moser to get "his guys" in before we're good. I find that notion disheartening; I'm not that patient. We had a solid team returning, had Coach Kruger not retired (plus, who knows which incoming transfers Lon may have had in the works), but several of those players have left with, so far, no replacements signed, aside from a freshman PG. If Moser is the home run hire he's been sold as, then yes, I do expect quicker results, given the purported bounty awaiting us via the transfer portal. Two or three of our former players have signed elsewhere and texas is stocking up on players -- why not us?

My hair's not on fire -- I'm just eager for some good news, some assurance that we're going to be a competitive team next year. I wish Brady hadn't left, that Harmon was committed to being a Sooner, that Victor and Alondes were sticking around, and again, if Moser is such a home run hire, I wonder why these guys are leaving. That's why I think players may be skeptical of a guy who hasn't had P5 experience. Is that fair of them to write him off for that reason? Probably not, but so far, it seems as if it could be a thing.

Rest assured, I will eat crow early and often if my concerns prove unfounded. But so far, there's no evidence that they are.
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Lol. Bring in 2/3 dudes the caliber of harkless and Gibson and weíll be just fine. Heís been the coach for 2 weeks!
It was one of MY concerns when we hired him. So yes, it's STILL a concern for me.

I haven't seen it as MUCH on this board, but yeah, when he was hired, there were a lot of OU fans that thought we'd start recruiting at a really high level. They thought he'd pull a guy or two from Loyola. They thought we'd immediately pull talent from Chicago. They thought b/c of his recent NCAA Tournament runs, he'd be able to walk into the homes of some of these recruits (metaforically) and start increasing the type of talent we had.

You don't bring in a guy like Moser and expect to lose guys like Harmon (if he transfers), Manek (who did transfer), and even Williams. We didn't get the Creighton dude. We didn't get a couple of the other early transfer targets. It doesn't look like Krutwig is coming. I still think we're a long shot to land the Groves brothers (though I'm trying to be optimistic, b/c I'd like both of them). We make a final list including Oregon State (I don't care about their recent run) and WSU for a pg that averaged less than 6 ppg while shooting 38% from the field. We don't appear to have a realistic shot at Bryce Thompson. All the while Harmon, Thompson, and Bishop have either committed to or are flirting with other Big 12 teams.

I get it. We can strike out this year and Moser can still turn out to be a solid hire. I'm not 100% writing him off. But one of the main benefits to hiring him was supposed to be his ability to bring in recruits, based largely on his name and recent NCAA Tournament success. It looks to me like the kids that have aspirations of playing professionally don't think his offense can get him there. If we field a crap sandwich of a team next year, that just makes Moser's job that much more difficult going forward. I'm all for a team that plays hard, plays together, and has good culture, but we can't be completely void of talent.

Maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe we land the land Groves brothers and my concerns are somewhat mooted. Maybe Krutwig comes after all, and Moser manages to land a couple other transfers that are some-what high level that aren't on us as fans' radars right now. But this was the biggest question from day 1 on Moser.....how would he recruit, and what would top 100 talent think of his offense. Reading between the lines, it's clear to me that Harmon and his camp don't think the Moser offense will get him drafted. I'd argue the Bryce Thompson camp feels the same way.
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It was one of MY concerns when we hired him. So yes, it's STILL a concern for me.

I haven't seen it as MUCH on this board, but yeah, when he was hired, there were a lot of OU fans that thought we'd start recruiting at a really high level. They thought he'd pull a guy or two from Loyola. They thought we'd immediately pull talent from Chicago. They thought b/c of his recent NCAA Tournament runs, he'd be able to walk into the homes of some of these recruits (metaforically) and start increasing the type of talent we had.

You don't bring in a guy like Moser and expect to lose guys like Harmon (if he transfers), Manek (who did transfer), and even Williams. We didn't get the Creighton dude. We didn't get a couple of the other early transfer targets. It doesn't look like Krutwig is coming. I still think we're a long shot to land the Groves brothers (though I'm trying to be optimistic, b/c I'd like both of them). We make a final list including Oregon State (I don't care about their recent run) and WSU for a pg that averaged less than 6 ppg while shooting 38% from the field. We don't appear to have a realistic shot at Bryce Thompson. All the while Harmon, Thompson, and Bishop have either committed to or are flirting with other Big 12 teams.

I get it. We can strike out this year and Moser can still turn out to be a solid hire. I'm not 100% writing him off. But one of the main benefits to hiring him was supposed to be his ability to bring in recruits, based largely on his name and recent NCAA Tournament success. It looks to me like the kids that have aspirations of playing professionally don't think his offense can get him there. If we field a crap sandwich of a team next year, that just makes Moser's job that much more difficult going forward. I'm all for a team that plays hard, plays together, and has good culture, but we can't be completely void of talent.

Maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe we land the land Groves brothers and my concerns are somewhat mooted. Maybe Krutwig comes after all, and Moser manages to land a couple other transfers that are some-what high level that aren't on us as fans' radars right now. But this was the biggest question from day 1 on Moser.....how would he recruit, and what would top 100 talent think of his offense. Reading between the lines, it's clear to me that Harmon and his camp don't think the Moser offense will get him drafted. I'd argue the Bryce Thompson camp feels the same way.
Terrible take. Chill. Hes been here less than a month. Hes prolly should not be able to pull anyone, IMO. And he already locked up a 250 HS kid in mason. Relax
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It was one of MY concerns when we hired him. So yes, it's STILL a concern for me.

I haven't seen it as MUCH on this board, but yeah, when he was hired, there were a lot of OU fans that thought we'd start recruiting at a really high level. They thought he'd pull a guy or two from Loyola. They thought we'd immediately pull talent from Chicago. They thought b/c of his recent NCAA Tournament runs, he'd be able to walk into the homes of some of these recruits (metaforically) and start increasing the type of talent we had.

You don't bring in a guy like Moser and expect to lose guys like Harmon (if he transfers), Manek (who did transfer), and even Williams. We didn't get the Creighton dude. We didn't get a couple of the other early transfer targets. It doesn't look like Krutwig is coming. I still think we're a long shot to land the Groves brothers (though I'm trying to be optimistic, b/c I'd like both of them). We make a final list including Oregon State (I don't care about their recent run) and WSU for a pg that averaged less than 6 ppg while shooting 38% from the field. We don't appear to have a realistic shot at Bryce Thompson. All the while Harmon, Thompson, and Bishop have either committed to or are flirting with other Big 12 teams.

I get it. We can strike out this year and Moser can still turn out to be a solid hire. I'm not 100% writing him off. But one of the main benefits to hiring him was supposed to be his ability to bring in recruits, based largely on his name and recent NCAA Tournament success. It looks to me like the kids that have aspirations of playing professionally don't think his offense can get him there. If we field a crap sandwich of a team next year, that just makes Moser's job that much more difficult going forward. I'm all for a team that plays hard, plays together, and has good culture, but we can't be completely void of talent.

Maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe we land the land Groves brothers and my concerns are somewhat mooted. Maybe Krutwig comes after all, and Moser manages to land a couple other transfers that are some-what high level that aren't on us as fans' radars right now. But this was the biggest question from day 1 on Moser.....how would he recruit, and what would top 100 talent think of his offense. Reading between the lines, it's clear to me that Harmon and his camp don't think the Moser offense will get him drafted. I'd argue the Bryce Thompson camp feels the same way.
Terrible take. Chill. Hes been here less than a month. Hes prolly should not be able to pull anyone, IMO. And he already locked up a 250 HS kid in mason. Relax
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It was one of MY concerns when we hired him. So yes, it's STILL a concern for me.

I haven't seen it as MUCH on this board, but yeah, when he was hired, there were a lot of OU fans that thought we'd start recruiting at a really high level. They thought he'd pull a guy or two from Loyola. They thought we'd immediately pull talent from Chicago. They thought b/c of his recent NCAA Tournament runs, he'd be able to walk into the homes of some of these recruits (metaforically) and start increasing the type of talent we had.

You don't bring in a guy like Moser and expect to lose guys like Harmon (if he transfers), Manek (who did transfer), and even Williams. We didn't get the Creighton dude. We didn't get a couple of the other early transfer targets. It doesn't look like Krutwig is coming. I still think we're a long shot to land the Groves brothers (though I'm trying to be optimistic, b/c I'd like both of them). We make a final list including Oregon State (I don't care about their recent run) and WSU for a pg that averaged less than 6 ppg while shooting 38% from the field. We don't appear to have a realistic shot at Bryce Thompson. All the while Harmon, Thompson, and Bishop have either committed to or are flirting with other Big 12 teams.

I get it. We can strike out this year and Moser can still turn out to be a solid hire. I'm not 100% writing him off. But one of the main benefits to hiring him was supposed to be his ability to bring in recruits, based largely on his name and recent NCAA Tournament success. It looks to me like the kids that have aspirations of playing professionally don't think his offense can get him there. If we field a crap sandwich of a team next year, that just makes Moser's job that much more difficult going forward. I'm all for a team that plays hard, plays together, and has good culture, but we can't be completely void of talent.

Maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe we land the land Groves brothers and my concerns are somewhat mooted. Maybe Krutwig comes after all, and Moser manages to land a couple other transfers that are some-what high level that aren't on us as fans' radars right now. But this was the biggest question from day 1 on Moser.....how would he recruit, and what would top 100 talent think of his offense. Reading between the lines, it's clear to me that Harmon and his camp don't think the Moser offense will get him drafted. I'd argue the Bryce Thompson camp feels the same way.
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My hair's not on fire -- I'm just eager for some good news, some assurance that we're going to be a competitive team next year. I wish Brady hadn't left, that Harmon was committed to being a Sooner, that Victor and Alondes were sticking around, and again, if Moser is such a home run hire, I wonder why these guys are leaving. That's why I think players may be skeptical of a guy who hasn't had P5 experience. Is that fair of them to write him off for that reason? Probably not, but so far, it seems as if it could be a thing.
People need to be given a chance and maybe Moser was not given that chance. Maybe some of the players feel betrayed and they want to seek out greener pastures.
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A name I haven't seen mentioned anywhere, but wouldn't shock me if OU reached out

Ethan Chargois: SMU transfer, PF 6'9", from Tulsa OK. He's a big rounder, averaged 8.8 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 2.5 APG (not been linked to him, but I would expect OU to reach out)
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It was one of MY concerns when we hired him. So yes, it's STILL a concern for me.

I haven't seen it as MUCH on this board, but yeah, when he was hired, there were a lot of OU fans that thought we'd start recruiting at a really high level. They thought he'd pull a guy or two from Loyola. They thought we'd immediately pull talent from Chicago. They thought b/c of his recent NCAA Tournament runs, he'd be able to walk into the homes of some of these recruits (metaforically) and start increasing the type of talent we had.

You don't bring in a guy like Moser and expect to lose guys like Harmon (if he transfers), Manek (who did transfer), and even Williams. We didn't get the Creighton dude. We didn't get a couple of the other early transfer targets. It doesn't look like Krutwig is coming. I still think we're a long shot to land the Groves brothers (though I'm trying to be optimistic, b/c I'd like both of them). We make a final list including Oregon State (I don't care about their recent run) and WSU for a pg that averaged less than 6 ppg while shooting 38% from the field. We don't appear to have a realistic shot at Bryce Thompson. All the while Harmon, Thompson, and Bishop have either committed to or are flirting with other Big 12 teams.

I get it. We can strike out this year and Moser can still turn out to be a solid hire. I'm not 100% writing him off. But one of the main benefits to hiring him was supposed to be his ability to bring in recruits, based largely on his name and recent NCAA Tournament success. It looks to me like the kids that have aspirations of playing professionally don't think his offense can get him there. If we field a crap sandwich of a team next year, that just makes Moser's job that much more difficult going forward. I'm all for a team that plays hard, plays together, and has good culture, but we can't be completely void of talent.

Maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe we land the land Groves brothers and my concerns are somewhat mooted. Maybe Krutwig comes after all, and Moser manages to land a couple other transfers that are some-what high level that aren't on us as fans' radars right now. But this was the biggest question from day 1 on Moser.....how would he recruit, and what would top 100 talent think of his offense. Reading between the lines, it's clear to me that Harmon and his camp don't think the Moser offense will get him drafted. I'd argue the Bryce Thompson camp feels the same way.
You are, indeed, overreacting. It's been TWO weeks.
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I have none, other than the fact that several players have left (or seemingly are on the verge of doing so) and no others have come in (except a freshman PG, and while I'm eager to see what he can do and I'm certainly not writing him off, I can't help but recall that, had our previous coach brought in the #265 player, he certainly would not have been celebrated for it).

Someone else mentioned that we're not seeing the "excitement boost" (that's likely not the term they used) in recruiting/transfers that one so often sees after a supposedly splashy new hire. Compare and contrast what's occurred at texas in less than two weeks (though I'm the first to admit that I think Beard a shady coach so I'm skeptical of his early results and I would not have Coach Moser resort to the tactics that I think Beard uses).

Some seem willing to wait three or four years for Coach Moser to get "his guys" in before we're good. I find that notion disheartening; I'm not that patient. We had a solid team returning, had Coach Kruger not retired (plus, who knows which incoming transfers Lon may have had in the works), but several of those players have left with, so far, no replacements signed, aside from a freshman PG. If Moser is the home run hire he's been sold as, then yes, I do expect quicker results, given the purported bounty awaiting us via the transfer portal. Two or three of our former players have signed elsewhere and texas is stocking up on players -- why not us?

My hair's not on fire -- I'm just eager for some good news, some assurance that we're going to be a competitive team next year. I wish Brady hadn't left, that Harmon was committed to being a Sooner, that Victor and Alondes were sticking around, and again, if Moser is such a home run hire, I wonder why these guys are leaving. That's why I think players may be skeptical of a guy who hasn't had P5 experience. Is that fair of them to write him off for that reason? Probably not, but so far, it seems as if it could be a thing.

Rest assured, I will eat crow early and often if my concerns prove unfounded. But so far, there's no evidence that they are.
I think you are being incredibly unfair to the guy. He just started and already landed a player that will likely be a contributor for 4 years. He is working hard to get/retain others without the help of a bagman. You can’t judge him the same way you would judge a guy like Kruger who was established in his role at ou. So Lon taking a player like Alston this late into his career at ou isn’t the same thing IMO (especially when you consider how many guys Lon struck out on this year in recruiting). Going to have to give this guy time. This isn’t ou football where the program sells itself. We have a sh1t arena and the worst fan base in the country (expect the world but don’t do sh1t for the program). He is going to have to build this place up the hard way.

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Yup... Lon had 10 yrs
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Yup... Lon had 10 yrs
Lon went to the tourney eight out of those 10 years, with a Sweet 16 and a Final Four. If Coach Moser does the same, no one will be complaining.

At least I won't. I can't speak for anyone else.
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I think you are being incredibly unfair to the guy. He just started and already landed a player that will likely be a contributor for 4 years. He is working hard to get/retain others without the help of a bagman. You canít judge him the same way you would judge a guy like Kruger who was established in his role at ou. So Lon taking a player like Alston this late into his career at ou isnít the same thing IMO (especially when you consider how many guys Lon struck out on this year in recruiting). Going to have to give this guy time. This isnít ou football where the program sells itself. We have a sh1t arena and the worst fan base in the country (expect the world but donít do sh1t for the program). He is going to have to build this place up the hard way.
Alston Mason appears to be a good player in his own right. But, to me, Moserís ability to continue a pipeline to a school that produced two players on his final four team a couple of years back, proves he is no novice in recruiting when given the chance. Getting Masonís signature has the potential to go way beyond signing one player. According to my friend, OU84, who lives in the same neighborhood as Blue Valley Northwest in Kansas City, the school has a reputation for developing great basketball teams as well as great players.

Think about what might have happened if OU had been able to establish a pipeline to Sunrise Christian when we signed Buddy Hield. Porter Moser can recruit! Iíll repeat what CoachTalk has said more than once. Weíre going to be fine!
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Alston Mason appears to be a good player in his own right. But, to me, Moserís ability to continue a pipeline to a school that produced two players on his final four team a couple of years back, proves he is no novice in recruiting when given the chance. Getting Masonís signature has the potential to go way beyond signing one player. According to my friend, OU84, who lives in the same neighborhood as Blue Valley Northwest in Kansas City, the school has a reputation for developing great basketball teams as well as great players.

Think about what might have happened if OU had been able to establish a pipeline to Sunrise Christian when we signed Buddy Hield. Porter Moser can recruit! Iíll repeat what CoachTalk has said more than once. Weíre going to be fine!


That and, it's a pipeline to Mokan Elite, which would be a vital pipeline.


Still, it's his first year in, he's been here 2 weeks. Everyone just needs to relax.


Also, to help get this back on track, Ethan Chargois who I mentioned earlier has a good connection with K.T. Turner. So definitely a transfer to watch.
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That and, it's a pipeline to Mokan Elite, which would be a vital pipeline.


Still, it's his first year in, he's been here 2 weeks. Everyone just needs to relax.


Also, to help get this back on track, Ethan Chargois who I mentioned earlier has a good connection with K.T. Turner. So definitely a transfer to watch.
Being a Tulsa kid should help somewhat.
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That and, it's a pipeline to Mokan Elite, which would be a vital pipeline.


Still, it's his first year in, he's been here 2 weeks. Everyone just needs to relax.


Also, to help get this back on track, Ethan Chargois who I mentioned earlier has a good connection with K.T. Turner. So definitely a transfer to watch.
Excellent point, Matthew G! I forgot about the Mokan connection.

I also think Ethan Chargois would be a good get. I thought OU should have given him a longer look straight out of high school.
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Old 04-17-2021, 05:08 PM   #274
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Lon went to the tourney eight out of those 10 years, with a Sweet 16 and a Final Four. If Coach Moser does the same, no one will be complaining.

At least I won't. I can't speak for anyone else.
yes, but I expected more after the FF yr. Not a FF every yr but 1 and done most of the time wasn't what I expected...if OU really is a top 30 team yearly.
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Old 04-17-2021, 05:20 PM   #275
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yes, but I expected more after the FF yr. Not a FF every yr but 1 and done most of the time wasn't what I expected...if OU really is a top 30 team yearly.
We were 1 and done 3 times, I believe. SDSU, North Dakota state, rhode island

Thatís not most of the time. Lon was very good in the tourney but mediocre in the toughest conference.
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