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lexusooner 04-20-2021 04:02 PM

21-22 line-up/Depth chart so far ....
 
C T.Groves 2nd Issanza
PF Hill 2nd J.Groves
SF Harkless 2nd J.Groves/O’Garro
SG Gibson 2nd Noland/Mason
PG Goldwire 2nd Cortez/Mason


Obviously it’s way too early... I’ve got little Groves backing up both forward spots.

CoachTalk 04-20-2021 04:37 PM

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I’d lean younger groves.

soonertboy824 04-20-2021 04:39 PM

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groves bros start

pnkranger 04-20-2021 04:48 PM

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I've been saying this for two years now. No reason to give up on him now. Jalen Hill is going to make a massive leap into next year and shock some people. I think he'll be the starter barring the commitment of someone like Bryson Williams.

cvangild 04-20-2021 07:34 PM

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IMO, I don't think it's ANY guarantee that the younger Groves brother automatically starts. DO NOT discount the ability of Jalen Hill!! And in case some of you haven't done the research...Jacob Groves had a GREAT game against KU, hitting 4-5 from the 3 pt line.

HOWEVER, did you all realize that in the other 23 games this year, he only hit more than 1 3 pointer in a game, TWO times?? And in both of those games, he only hit 2 in each. SO no...Jacob Groves is NO savior...and will be a step down from even Manek's outside shooting!!

I'm still glad we got him, but I don't expect more than 7-8 ppg from him next season. Time will tell.

soonerbms 04-20-2021 07:47 PM

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That looks like a bubble team to me which a is a far cry from where things stood two weeks ago. We were staring down the barrel of a 12-18 type season before Moser went on a run.

pnkranger 04-20-2021 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepdogs1 (Post 678712)
Most bigs are not relied on to create a bevy of points from the outside. I think he averaged around 17 points/game and if he wasn't doing it from the outside then that means he was doing it elsewhere. Secondly, we have desperately, yes desperately, needed an inside scoring threat so as to give some operating space to the guards who can do their thing. If you look at how open our opponents were from the perimeter over the past seasons it was because they had a scoring threat close to the basket. Iowa State had open shot after open shot from the 3 because of an inside presence. Currently, Jalen Hill is no big man Groves.

We were talking Jacob, not tanner. Jacob is a little more Tyler Neal.

sheepdogs1 04-20-2021 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pnkranger (Post 678714)
We were talking Jacob, not tanner. Jacob is a little more Tyler Neal.

My "really" bad.

CoachTalk 04-20-2021 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by soonerbms (Post 678713)
That looks like a bubble team to me which a is a far cry from where things stood two weeks ago. We were staring down the barrel of a 12-18 type season before Moser went on a run.

this team is a bubble team?

pnkranger 04-20-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachTalk (Post 678716)
this team is a bubble team?

I see where you're coming from on this, but gotta see the freshmen in action and get a single backup post before we go much farther than that. Gimme Bryce and Williams, and I'll start up the hyperbole train.

CoachTalk 04-20-2021 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pnkranger (Post 678719)
I see where you're coming from on this, but gotta see the freshmen in action and get a single backup post before we go much farther than that. Gimme Bryce and Williams, and I'll start up the hyperbole train.

A post will come in some form or fashion. This team will defend! Need that extra scoring punch.

pnkranger 04-20-2021 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachTalk (Post 678725)
A post will come in some form or fashion. This team will defend! Need that extra scoring punch.

I'm telling you ... give me Bryson Williams and Bryce Thompson, and I will honestly go full crimson colored glasses and start buying my big 12 championship memorabilia.

Price is Right 04-20-2021 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pnkranger (Post 678696)
I've been saying this for two years now. No reason to give up on him now. Jalen Hill is going to make a massive leap into next year and shock some people. I think he'll be the starter barring the commitment of someone like Bryson Williams.

I agree. I think he can score somewhere between 8 and 10 per game rebound well and play good defense. 10 and 6 is a very good season and he has the ability to do it this year IMO

pnkranger 04-21-2021 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Price is Right (Post 678734)
I agree. I think he can score somewhere between 8 and 10 per game rebound well and play good defense. 10 and 6 is a very good season and he has the ability to do it this year IMO

Randomly selected stat to prove my point. We were 1-6 when Hill played less than 15 minutes this year. 15-5 when he played 15+ minutes. That might be more about who played over him than vice versa, but I'm sticking to my guns. :)

Wonder if he got injured in the KSU game. He didn't play many minutes for the remainder of the regular season and shot it really bad and then all of a sudden is playing 20+ minutes per game when we get to the NCAA tournament again. He's a glue guy that will do all the dirty work. Jameel Heywood and Johnnie Gilbert but with basketball skills.

SoonerBounce13 04-21-2021 08:24 AM

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I see great potential in Hill as well.
I'd pencil him in until groves shows he is a better option

CoachTalk 04-21-2021 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pnkranger (Post 678741)
Randomly selected stat to prove my point. We were 1-6 when Hill played less than 15 minutes this year. 15-5 when he played 15+ minutes. That might be more about who played over him than vice versa, but I'm sticking to my guns. :)

Wonder if he got injured in the KSU game. He didn't play many minutes for the remainder of the regular season and shot it really bad and then all of a sudden is playing 20+ minutes per game when we get to the NCAA tournament again. He's a glue guy that will do all the dirty work. Jameel Heywood and Johnnie Gilbert but with basketball skills.

Big hill fan. Plus the loyalty he showed is impressive. Couldíve easily bounced to UNLV.

red recluse 04-21-2021 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachTalk (Post 678744)
Big hill fan. Plus the loyalty he showed is impressive. Couldíve easily bounced to UNLV.

agreed. i'm not focused on points with that guy. defend, rebound, be a banger, and make the plays that extend possesions or start fastbreaks. and when he shoots, if he would just shoot with the confidence of kuath, he will make a few more.

allday92 04-21-2021 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pnkranger (Post 678741)
Randomly selected stat to prove my point. We were 1-6 when Hill played less than 15 minutes this year. 15-5 when he played 15+ minutes. That might be more about who played over him than vice versa, but I'm sticking to my guns. :)

Wonder if he got injured in the KSU game. He didn't play many minutes for the remainder of the regular season and shot it really bad and then all of a sudden is playing 20+ minutes per game when we get to the NCAA tournament again. He's a glue guy that will do all the dirty work. Jameel Heywood and Johnnie Gilbert but with basketball skills.

Interesting stat, and agree on Hill's value. He's the ultimate glue guy. Keeps the ball moving on offense, crashes for rebounds on offense and defense, and has defensive versatility. Harkless, J. Groves, and Hill will be a nice 3 man rotation at the 3 and 4 spots.

Stikboy 04-21-2021 09:14 AM

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Honestly, I can't believe Hill didn't transfer to UNLV. For one thing, he's a Vegas kid, close to home. Hartman and Vic are there. The coach who recruited him's son is the coach. He must really love OU. Of course conference affiliation, stage, brand, and overall bball tradition is a no brainer for OU. Wonder if he has a girl here too. Now make no mistake, I believe OU has tons more to offer than UNLV. Just seemed like a slam dunk with all those factors for them.

I'm anxious to see what kind of improvements the Kruger guys can make under Moser and staff's player development.

pnkranger 04-21-2021 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Stikboy (Post 678749)
Honestly, I can't believe Hill didn't transfer to UNLV. For one thing, he's a Vegas kid, close to home. Hartman and Vic are there. The coach who recruited him's son is the coach. He must really love OU. Of course conference affiliation, stage, brand, and overall bball tradition is a no brainer for OU. Wonder if he has a girl here too. Now make no mistake, I believe OU has tons more to offer than UNLV. Just seemed like a slam dunk with all those factors for them.

I'm anxious to see what kind of improvements the Kruger guys can make under Moser and staff's player development.

Some kids also like to be away from home for college. Something new and different.

Stikboy 04-21-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pnkranger (Post 678751)
Some kids also like to be away from home for college. Something new and different.

Certainly the way I was...

WTSooner 04-21-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachTalk (Post 678744)
Big hill fan. Plus the loyalty he showed is impressive. Couldíve easily bounced to UNLV.

He wouldn't be projected to start out there either. Last I saw, they have done a pretty solid job on bringing some talent in for Kevin's first year.

TINY 04-21-2021 10:27 PM

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Hill was a sophomore. He is a very good athlete and doesn’t mind getting physical down low. He has shown flashes on offense and improved in all facets last year. Let’s let him use his eligibility before we make statements. I think he will be a starter at some point again, and I’m not convinced he wouldn’t start over someone like chargois. The utep big I would expect to start. I’d love to find out!

soonerbms 04-23-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachTalk (Post 678716)
this team is a bubble team?

Yes, I think itís a bubble team and thatís a good thing given how dire things looked two weeks ago. Iíve seen some posters say weíll finish top 3 in the conference and be a lock for the dance. Thatís asinine.

colston15 04-23-2021 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by soonerbms (Post 678944)
Yes, I think itís a bubble team and thatís a good thing given how dire things looked two weeks ago. Iíve seen some posters say weíll finish top 3 in the conference and be a lock for the dance. Thatís asinine.

A bubble team? Only if we add no one else from here, which seems unlikely.

We will probably add a former Top 50 prospect.


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