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Old 03-12-2019, 03:15 PM   #26
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For pretty much the final time,
OU just went 8-22 the notion that there's no one available in spring recruiting that
can help this roster is absurd.

The talent level is horrible.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:18 PM   #27
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Does Dionnah want the OU job?? yes or no.
If yes.

Ask yourself how many head coaches did Joe C interview to replace Bob?? None.
How many head coaches would have loved the OU job. ten easily??

Dionnah can secure the OU job by being the top assistant that fixes OU women's hoops.

Is it a gamble?? Sure but if it tanks Dionnah can accurately probably just blame Sherri and
get hired again at a top program.
Please do not compare the OU Football job to the OU WBB job. One is legendary while the other is ok and currently a dumpster fire. There are many WBB jobs that are equal or better than OU. Sherri is not going to give up control like Bob. All you have to do is look at her current assistants and you know that.

If the team continues to be a dumpster fire and Jackson-Durrett joins it then she burns up with it. If she stays at Miss State and continues to go to Final Fours, she will be ready when Sherri is gone (unless they give it to Colton). In the mean time, other opportunities at schools as good as OU will become available.

My point is the Jackson-Durrett would be taking a greater risk coming to OU as an assistant than by simply staying at Miss State.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:21 PM   #28
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For pretty much the final time,
OU just went 8-22 the notion that there's no one available in spring recruiting that
can help this roster is absurd.

The talent level is horrible.
Have you looked at the transfer list? Every "big" knows where she is going when she announces her transfer. Recruited? Most look like they are headed to DII. Immediate help? Europe? Australia?
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:22 PM   #29
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It is now a FACT that we are changing 2 or our assistant coaches. We have the opportunity to bring in talented assistants. And for all the dislike of nepotism, we don't really know Coltons coaching ability, only his lack of experience. One or two additional players with size to go with the young talent we have on campus plus those we have commitments from could allow us to be in the top half of the big 12 next year, make the NCAA's, and be even better 2 years from now. That is the opportunity ahead of us, let"s see if we take advantage of it.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:22 PM   #30
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Random comments:

---Sherri once mentioned on the Rudi's show that Colton wasn't sure that he wanted to go into coaching.

---Abi Olajuwon is at TCU.

---I don't think there is a big available for the 2019-2020 season that would be of interest.

---Were there not some rumors that Chad was looking elsewhere a couple of months ago?

---Dionnah may see Mississippi State as not the ideal location from which too build. A lot of their success is due to one key player. What happens next year? Is Daphane White as good as some say?
Miss State has Vic Schaefer, the best defensive coach in the country. They will continue to be good.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:23 PM   #31
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For pretty much the final time,
OU just went 8-22 the notion that there's no one available in spring recruiting that
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The talent level is horrible.
Atlanta,

On this point, we absolutely agree. It will not be a quick fix, regardless of Madi's comments.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:28 PM   #32
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On this point, we absolutely agree. It will not be a quick fix, regardless of Madi's comments.
Exactly. The program needs a clean sweep and rebuild. Patchwork with SC still in control will not do. She's the common denominator and in charge. If she could get great players...difference makers, game changers, players that make other players better...she would have had them by now. Those days are long gone.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:32 PM   #33
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Atlanta,

On this point, we absolutely agree. It will not be a quick fix, regardless of Madi's comments.
The big advantage BB has on other sports is that with only 5 on the court at a time, one or two talented players along with your role players and GOOD coaching, and GOOD on court leadership you can go from not very good to competitive in one year. But finding a talented center and maybe a talented big forward will be a must.
And someone is out there somewhere, if you can find her and recruit her.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:33 PM   #34
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Miss State has Vic Schaefer, the best defensive coach in the country. They will continue to be good.
Good. But, on a sustained basis? How many programs have Mississippi or Mississippi State produced that have been consistent winners? Ole Miss won a title, but went on probation almost immediately. They had one good women's team. Mississippi has a million fewer people than Oklahoma, and an even worse academic reputation from which to recruit and build. Their athletes often leave the state.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:34 PM   #35
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syb, it's called scouting and evaluating talent. and being realistic about the current roster.
Again, if OU was 22-8 with 5 player class loaded with top 50 kids, then I'd completely agree with you.

OU IS 8-22. I'm not sure you've really absorbed that fact. OU sucks. JUCO, international, Div 2 or 3. When you're 8-22 you don't get to be picky. Especially when Sherri under signed in the fall by at least 2 players.
Did I say bigs?? Nope I said talent. Any infusion of talent at any position is needed.
The entire roster is in awful shape.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:35 PM   #36
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The big advantage BB has on other sports is that with only 5 on the court at a time, one or two talented players along with your role players and GOOD coaching, and GOOD on court leadership you can go from not very good to competitive in one year. But finding a talented center and maybe a talented big forward will be a must.
And someone is out there somewhere, if you can find her and recruit her.
Let's say the talent is out there somewhere. Why, why, why would they come to OU WBB?
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:41 PM   #37
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syb, it's called scouting and evaluating talent. and being realistic about the current roster.
Again, if OU was 22-8 with 5 player class loaded with top 50 kids, then I'd completely agree with you.

OU IS 8-22. I'm not sure you've really absorbed that fact. OU sucks. JUCO, international, Div 2 or 3. When you're 8-22 you don't get to be picky. Especially when Sherri under signed in the fall by at least 2 players.
Did I say bigs?? Nope I said talent. Any infusion of talent at any position is needed.
The entire roster is in awful shape.
And we have a Winner!!!!!!Well said atlanta the majority of OU's players are nice players thats about it.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:43 PM   #38
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sooner8, sadly in sport, you are who your record is.
OU's 8-22 which is awful.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:44 PM   #39
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Exactly. The program needs a clean sweep and rebuild. Patchwork with SC still in control will not do. She's the common denominator and in charge. If she could get great players...difference makers, game changers, players that make other players better...she would have had them by now. Those days are long gone.
You are spot on! Coale should have been the one to get axed. Then you can have a new head coach with his own staff. Could it be worse than 8-22? She is too much of a control freak to listen to an assistant.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:45 PM   #40
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syb, it's called scouting and evaluating talent. and being realistic about the current roster.
Again, if OU was 22-8 with 5 player class loaded with top 50 kids, then I'd completely agree with you.

OU IS 8-22. I'm not sure you've really absorbed that fact. OU sucks. JUCO, international, Div 2 or 3. When you're 8-22 you don't get to be picky. Especially when Sherri under signed in the fall by at least 2 players.
Did I say bigs?? Nope I said talent. Any infusion of talent at any position is needed.
The entire roster is in awful shape.
From David Little to Peyton Little to Chicken Little?

If OU had had Maddie Manning and Vivi back for another year, we would probably have been about 18-12 or better. We had zero experience, but no worse talent than we had in 2018, except that we had no post who was ready for even a mediocre performance.

Madi, Ana, Taylor, Nydia
Jessi, Tatum
Liz, Gabby, Chloe

We probably haven''t had that much talent on this team since 2011 or 2012. If one of them can play defense in the interior, we will have no worse than a 16-14 type team next year. Next year's freshmen won't have juniors and seniors beside them. But, they will have two juniors and a bunch of talented sophs to learn from.

If I could find some interior help, I'd take it. If I could find a solid, experience point, I might want to take a look. But, it is absurd to say that we have no talent when we have about as good as we have had in a while.
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Let's say the talent is out there somewhere. Why, why, why would they come to OU WBB?
Why would someone decide to attend OU and play wbb?
You have to recruit them, and a big selling point is a center with talent leaving some unhappy situation could come in, start, be the leading scorer, and "lead" a programs rejuvenation. Just because we are all bummed out by recent wbb, it doesn't mean everybody in the world feels the same way or sees it that way. Recruit, recruit, also means sell, convince, point out the positive, and the opportunities.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:47 PM   #42
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sooner8, sadly in sport, you are who your record is.
OU's 8-22 which is awful.
There should never be any Athletic Programs at OU that have that kind of record.Period.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:48 PM   #43
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I would attempt to hire some high-profile athletes from the past. Courtney's playing career is likely coming to a close. Being able to play the game well doesn't mean you can necessarily teach the game, but I think she would be very effective in working with the post players. Heck, I'd be happy if she hired Whitney Hand/Jones.
I would prefer to see Sherri hire talented assistants from another top program like UConn, Notre Dame, Stanford, Maryland, Louisville, etc. I think assistants with no association to OU brings a totally different perspective and more new ideas than one that knows the Sherri Coale way of doing things. Much easier for a former Sooner to become another yes person like Jan, Pam, Chad and Colton.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:03 PM   #44
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Speedy17,
Does Dionnah want the OU job?? yes or no.
If yes.

Ask yourself how many head coaches did Joe C interview to replace Bob?? None.
How many head coaches would have loved the OU job. ten easily??

Dionnah can secure the OU job by being the top assistant that fixes OU women's hoops.

Is it a gamble?? Sure but if it tanks Dionnah can accurately probably just blame Sherri and
get hired again at a top program.
Drawing a parallel between Lincoln and Dionnah may be a stretch. We all know Lincoln showed Bob and Joe C. some unique characteristics that was an incentive for Bob to retire and turndown a realistic and last opportunity to win his 2nd natty and elevate his standing among coaching great. Lincoln was in high demand.

It would be unlikely to think he could hire Dionnah and in a year or two she will be another Lincoln. Those type coaches come along once every decade or two.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:07 PM   #45
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On this point, we absolutely agree. It will not be a quick fix, regardless of Madi's comments.
Bingo!!!
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:08 PM   #46
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I agree there little talent to work with right now and was even less on the staff. This IMO is the first thing I seen positive all year on the women side but I see no reason to stop at just two.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:21 PM   #47
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This is proof that Sherri and her kid are untouchable. What a crock.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:57 PM   #48
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Yes on Chad, Syb. I believe I am the one who started that thread. I had some pretty good sources.

However, who can say this is the way he wanted to go out. Getting fired is never as good as quitting -- even if your employer claims it's to pursue other opportunities in basketball. What a standard, worn-out cup of crap.

Frankly, that line of BS makes Sherri look like a coward who doesn't have the honesty or courage to put a chink into her "perfect" persona.

Have the balls to say you fired someone because you didn't think they were cutting the mustard -- or better yet, simply say "I believe I needed to do this right because I'm to happy with where the program is and I think this is the change to be made." (Even if the biggest is you, the head coach).

And if next year is just as bad as this one even with better recruits, whose fault will it be then?

Finally, what stellar coach with half of working brain is going to put his/her career at risk when they know the head coach is likely to get fired next season? Not any proven one is my thinking. so just forget the two names that already have been mentioned on the boards. They aren't coming. At least Jackson isn't. Jon might with the promise of being head coach after Sherri leaves at the end of next year.

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syb, it's called scouting and evaluating talent. and being realistic about the current roster.
Again, if OU was 22-8 with 5 player class loaded with top 50 kids, then I'd completely agree with you.

OU IS 8-22. I'm not sure you've really absorbed that fact. OU sucks. JUCO, international, Div 2 or 3. When you're 8-22 you don't get to be picky. Especially when Sherri under signed in the fall by at least 2 players.
Did I say bigs?? Nope I said talent. Any infusion of talent at any position is needed.
The entire roster is in awful shape.
Exactly. Exactly! EXACTLY! -- Atlanta!

Tell me one top-named transfer who would come to OU now -- or assistant coach who would come here knowing that there is a better than 50-50 chance they are looking at getting fired in a coaching change next season.

Working with Sherri may not be the big draw some think it is, especially if it gets around you don't get to say anything other than "Yes, ma'am."

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Good. But, on a sustained basis? How many programs have Mississippi or Mississippi State produced that have been consistent winners? Ole Miss won a title, but went on probation almost immediately. They had one good women's team. Mississippi has a million fewer people than Oklahoma, and an even worse academic reputation from which to recruit and build. Their athletes often leave the state.
Vic's first season at MSU was they went 13-17. 2014-2019 they have averaged 29.7 wins per season (30 to date, 37, 34, 28, 27 and 22). His combined record is 178-38 (29.7-6.3 average per year). I would consider those 6 seasons as very sustained.
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