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Old 08-10-2017, 09:15 AM   #1
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Default Lazenby vs. McGusty - Australia

Ty Lazenby
7 ppg, 3 rpg, 2.3 apg.. 60% 3pt shooting.

Kameron McGusty
9.3 ppg, 1 rpg, 0.3 assists... 33% 3pt shooting
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:24 AM   #2
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Will be interesting to watch during the season.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:34 AM   #3
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I'll take Kam, you can take Ty. At the end of the season I will happily revisit.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:38 AM   #4
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I'll take Kam, you can take Ty. At the end of the season I will happily revisit.
He knows that, but he's just highlighting that an unknown, who people don't expect much, can contribute just like one of the stars, but you already knew that.
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He can play but Km is a different level.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:41 AM   #6
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I'll take Kam, you can take Ty. At the end of the season I will happily revisit.
They play on the same team... The overall point was that we may have several capable scorers/shooters on the wing between McGusty, Lazenby, and James. If Lazenby comes off the bench and knocks down 3's, gets to the line, gets some rebounds/assists, he will be worth his weight in gold...

OU's Starters:
PG: Trae Young
SG: Kameron McGusty
SF: Rashard Odomes
PF: Kristian Doolittle
C: Khadeem Lattin

OU's Bench:
PG: Jordan Shepherd
SG: Christian James
SG: Ty Lazenby
PF: Brady Manek
C: Jamuni Mcnease

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Old 08-10-2017, 10:41 AM   #7
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I've been more impressed with Lazenby than I thought I would be. I think there are situations where he will help us. He's court smart and can shoot from outside or dribble drive pretty well. His defense needs some work. I'm certainly not saying he should replace McGusty as a wing starter. Ty has James in front of him as the first wing off the bench for good reason, but there will be games where he has the hot hand and really helps us.
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I've been more impressed with Lazenby than I thought I would be. I think there are situations where he will help us. He's court smart and can shoot from outside or dribble drive pretty well. His defense needs some work. I'm certainly not saying he should replace McGusty as a wing starter. Ty has James in front of him as the first wing off the bench for good reason, but there will be games where he has the hot hand and really helps us.
My thoughts exactly. I openly questioned several weeks ago why our coaches offered Ty a scholarship? I know why now. He's better than I thought he would be. Our coaches were right and I was wrong. There, I've said it. Proudly I might add. I also said I would love to be wrong about him.

McGusty is still at the top of my list of wings on this team. But, as thebigabd said, Lazenby gives us one more wing who can score from multiple positions. There is no such thing as a team with too many players who can score.
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They play on the same team... The overall point was that we may have several capable scorers/shooters on the wing between McGusty, Lazenby, and James. If Lazenby comes off the bench and knocks down 3's, gets to the line, gets some rebounds/assists, he will be worth his weight in gold...

OU's Starters:
PG: Trae Young
SG: Kameron McGusty
SF: Rashard Odomes
PF: Kristian Doolittle
C: Khadeem Lattin

OU's Bench:
PG: Jordan Shepherd
SG: Christian James
SG: Ty Lazenby
PF: Brady Manek
C: Jamuni Mcnease

Hannes Polla whenever needed
This team looks miles ahead of last years. That second unit may beat last years starters
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:37 AM   #10
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Freeman will get minutes somewhere too. 12 deep seems nice.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:40 AM   #11
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it really is amazing, the difference. I see 12 guys that could actually contribute. The big question...will any redshirt?

Tons of different combinations, no real "foul limit"...should be a fun season.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:55 AM   #12
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it really is amazing, the difference. I see 12 guys that could actually contribute. The big question...will any redshirt?

Tons of different combinations, no real "foul limit"...should be a fun season.
Agreed. But the biggest question may be how do you keep twelve guys happy if no one redshirts? As you said, they're all capable of contributing. Quality depth is a blessing. Could it also be a curse?

A "fun season " to be sure!
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Agreed. But the biggest question may be how do you keep twelve guys happy if no one redshirts? As you said, they're all capable of contributing. Quality depth is a blessing. Could it also be a curse?

A "fun season " to be sure!
When defense is emphasized more, you will likely see that number dwindle (it has to).
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:11 PM   #14
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We can't go 12 deep. There just aren't enough minutes. And I feel that Freeman will probably be one that doesn't seem much.

We know that the following will receive a large chunk of the minutes:
Trae
Kam
Odomes
Doolittle
Lattin

Key reserves:
James
McNease
Shepard

That's 8 already

So you are left with limited minutes for Ty, Polla, Manek, and Freeman

It's a good problem to have but running 12 deep isn't going to happen
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:15 PM   #15
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When defense is emphasized more, you will likely see that number dwindle (it has to).
Good point. Defense could easily determine who plays and who sits? There are definitely some noticeable differences in at least two positions right now.
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:30 PM   #16
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I continue to be pleased with what I see from Ty. Sure, some of that may change when he's forced to confront better athletes. But I sure like his demeanor on the court.
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Old 08-10-2017, 01:06 PM   #17
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Agreed. But the biggest question may be how do you keep twelve guys happy if no one redshirts? As you said, they're all capable of contributing. Quality depth is a blessing. Could it also be a curse?

A "fun season " to be sure!
This is the most depth at OU since perhaps ever. Unless you count football. Defense really will determine most of it along with the level of competition. With so many fouls to give will Lon expect a more physical intense attitude inside that we haven't seen since Kelvin? Or will he want to play faster?

A good question to ask Lon is has he ever had this much depth.
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This is the most depth at OU since perhaps ever. Unless you count football. Defense really will determine most of it along with the level of competition. With so many fouls to give will Lon expect a more physical intense attitude inside that we haven't seen since Kelvin? Or will he want to play faster?

A good question to ask Lon is has he ever had this much depth.
With trae, I don't think slow is an option.
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With trae, I don't think slow is an option.
coach lon has been pushing the ball since KState in the 80's.
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I love Kam but I wish he'd stuff his rebounding and steals stats a tad more.
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I talked to guy that grew up playing against Ty. He said Ty was a great small school HS player. But at JC he took his game to another level. Said he learned to get to the rack and finish there. This guy ( who starts on a college team) believes he will help OU this year. After watching these last three games, I'm glad OU has him.
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Old 08-10-2017, 02:53 PM   #22
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I agree not 12 guys will play...prob get to 8 or 9 with solid minutes.

HOPEFULLY the other 3-4 are ready to help out.

As I said, lots of fouls to give..

Funny, we had 5 guys start and play the majority of time for 3 years...now we have 12 guys...lol (yes not all are "starters")
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This is the most depth at OU since perhaps ever.

A good question to ask Lon is has he ever had this much depth.
Assuming this plays out well during the season, this may be the most depth Lon has had as a coach...but not OU.

The benchmark for depth is the 1989-1990 OU team. For you youngsters, we had a guy named Terrance Mullins. As a freshman 2-guard, he was the only sub who played in the 1988 title game. Two years later, he got an occasional "DNP - Coaches Decision" or was the 10th or 11th guy on the court for OU. Terry Evans and Smokey McCovery were the PGs. Skeeter Henry was the starting 2-guard and Michael Harris replaced Mullins halfway into the season as the first 2-guard off the bench. Damon Patterson, Jackie Jones and William Davis rounded out the starting five with Kermit Holmes, Roland Ware and Anthony Martin backing them up. Unless one of those 10 players ahead of Mullins was injured, they all found their way on the court during the second half of that season.
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Old 08-10-2017, 03:05 PM   #24
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We can't go 12 deep. There just aren't enough minutes. And I feel that Freeman will probably be one that doesn't seem much.

We know that the following will receive a large chunk of the minutes:
Trae
Kam
Odomes
Doolittle
Lattin

Key reserves:
James
McNease
Shepard

That's 8 already

So you are left with limited minutes for Ty, Polla, Manek, and Freeman

It's a good problem to have but running 12 deep isn't going to happen
Sometimes kids get "recruited over", and I agree the rotation will get smaller during conference games.... especially close to tournament time. Usually it's 8-9 players with mop up duty for another player or two. As deep as this squad appears, we only graduate Lattin after this season. Next year we will add Bienemy to the wing rotation and that cat is a very good player. Plus we have another open scholarship right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a transfer or two after this season for someone who wants more playing time. Players like Lazenby may not see time for a game or two and then come in and have 10 points off the bench when he has a hot hand.... I'm just using him as an example.
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Hopefully, McGusty doesn't experience a sophomore slump like James
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