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Old 02-04-2020, 01:04 PM   #51
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This new system rewards mediocrity. By this "metric" O-State could go 1-17 in league play, with the lone victory being over Oklahoma in Stillwater, and that would not be considered a bad loss for the Sooners.

I'm not sure my rational brain can come to grips with that. When I see my team go on the road to the cellar dwellers and get worked over like Farmer Arbuckle's mule then I call it a bad loss. Maybe the new math only allows it to be a poor performance, or a blown opportunity, but I just don't see how that can be classed as anything but a bad loss.
osu also beat houston who is a tourney team ..

the net and the quad system is a fully unbiased look at who you played and where you played win or lose ..


like it or not it is the system the ncaa selection committee uses
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osu also beat houston who is a tourney team ..

the net and the quad system is a fully unbiased look at who you played and where you played win or lose ..


like it or not it is the system the ncaa selection committee uses
I wouldn't say fully unbiased. It does reward being in a power 5 conference. But there is no system i can think of that wouldn't do that. You simply have more games against the best competition so less chances for bad losses, more chances for good wins.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:28 PM   #53
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I wouldn't say fully unbiased. It does reward being in a power 5 conference. But there is no system i can think of that wouldn't do that. You simply have more games against the best competition so less chances for bad losses, more chances for good wins.
it doesn't reward being in a power 5 in rewards good schedules ...

the acc might only get 3 teams in this year

the sec and pac have been very bad for several years (pac is rebounding)
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I wouldn't say fully unbiased. It does reward being in a power 5 conference. But there is no system i can think of that wouldn't do that. You simply have more games against the best competition so less chances for bad losses, more chances for good wins.
You're correct to a degree. The NET ranking system does have its flaws. Like you said, it tends to skew favorably more towards the Power 5/6 conference teams simply because they are going to be playing a more quality conference slate.....i.e a better "strength of schedule".

But here is the piece you can control. Knowing this above, you can then shrewdly leverage your non-conference schedule. OU has been very savvy in this respect. They have limited the number of "really bad teams" in their non-conference portion. They have also scheduled neutral court, winnable type games as well. All the while, you have most of the other teams beating cupcakes at home in a majority of their 12/13 non-conference games.

Some may like and some may hate it, but this is the current system and the OU scheduling team is playing the system like a fiddle. OU will not have a "bad loss" this year.....even though they have looked pretty bad on several occasions.
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Old 02-04-2020, 02:42 PM   #55
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You're correct to a degree. The NET ranking system does have its flaws. Like you said, it tends to skew favorably more towards the Power 5/6 conference teams simply because they are going to be playing a more quality conference slate.....i.e a better "strength of schedule".

But here is the piece you can control. Knowing this above, you can then shrewdly leverage your non-conference schedule. OU has been very savvy in this respect. They have limited the number of "really bad teams" in their non-conference portion. They have also scheduled neutral court, winnable type games as well. All the while, you have most of the other teams beating cupcakes at home in a majority of their 12/13 non-conference games.

Some may like and some may hate it, but this is the current system and the OU scheduling team is playing the system like a fiddle. OU will not have a "bad loss" this year.....even though they have looked pretty bad on several occasions.
Not a single thing here I disagree with, and I am glad Joe C saw the change coming from his time on the committee and relayed that info to Lon and we scheduled accordingly.
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Old 02-04-2020, 02:56 PM   #56
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Same arguments we had last year. It doesn’t “reward mediocrity.”
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Old 02-04-2020, 03:55 PM   #57
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You're correct to a degree. The NET ranking system does have its flaws. Like you said, it tends to skew favorably more towards the Power 5/6 conference teams simply because they are going to be playing a more quality conference slate.....i.e a better "strength of schedule".

But here is the piece you can control. Knowing this above, you can then shrewdly leverage your non-conference schedule. OU has been very savvy in this respect. They have limited the number of "really bad teams" in their non-conference portion. They have also scheduled neutral court, winnable type games as well. All the while, you have most of the other teams beating cupcakes at home in a majority of their 12/13 non-conference games.

Some may like and some may hate it, but this is the current system and the OU scheduling team is playing the system like a fiddle. OU will not have a "bad loss" this year.....even though they have looked pretty bad on several occasions.
Agreed. This is what I've pointed out the last few seasons. OU has bumped up the bottom of our schedule a bit, but not to the point where we're playing teams that have a realistic shot at beating us. But they are games that "look better" on paper. It's smoke and mirrors, but as you said, it's the way the system is set up now.
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Old 02-04-2020, 05:18 PM   #58
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Agreed. This is what I've pointed out the last few seasons. OU has bumped up the bottom of our schedule a bit, but not to the point where we're playing teams that have a realistic shot at beating us. But they are games that "look better" on paper. It's smoke and mirrors, but as you said, it's the way the system is set up now.
We haven't "bumped it up a bit." We've played a top 20 (if not top 10) schedule year after year after year. The TV guys covering our games mention this frequently.

Here's the breakdown of teams we've played (or will play) this season, based on today's NET rankings:

Top 10 (6) -- 19%
Top 25 (8) -- 26%
Top 50 (13) -- 42%
Top 75 (19) -- 61%
Top 100 (26) -- 84%
Teams ranked 101-200 (2) -- 6%
Teams ranked 201-300 (2) -- 6%
Teams ranked 301-353 (1) -- 3%

That's not gaming the system, that's a tough schedule, plain and simple. Any Top 100 team is to be taken seriously or you're just asking for an upset -- and 84% of our opponents are currently in the Top 100.
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:38 PM   #59
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back to a 9 seed on ESPN.com
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10 seed on bracketmatrix, 1 bracket has us out, one has us as a 7. reset are 8-12s with an average seed of 9.64.

Minnesota and Mississippi State are in the first four out. Would help us if one or both of them played their way in to give us another win or two over a tournament team. Can never have to many of those
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10 seed on bracketmatrix, 1 bracket has us out, one has us as a 7. reset are 8-12s with an average seed of 9.64.

Minnesota and Mississippi State are in the first four out. Would help us if one or both of them played their way in to give us another win or two over a tournament team. Can never have to many of those
Unfortunately Miss State got ran out of the gym yesterday against Ole Miss.

But it doesn't matter at this point. OU is in. Period.
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Unfortunately Miss State got ran out of the gym yesterday against Ole Miss.

But it doesn't matter at this point. OU is in. Period.
sure, but would you rather be a 9 seed or a 7 seed? Want to play the one the 2nd game or the end of the 2nd weekend?
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10 seed on bracketmatrix, 1 bracket has us out, one has us as a 7. reset are 8-12s with an average seed of 9.64.

Minnesota and Mississippi State are in the first four out. Would help us if one or both of them played their way in to give us another win or two over a tournament team. Can never have to many of those
Those are always tricky deals -- do you want teams we played (like those two and Wichita State) to win because it improves our resume a bit, or do you want them to fall out of contention because they are bubble teams and we will be competing with them for spots (unless we win enough games to remove ourselves from the bubble and only worry about seeding)?
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10 seed on bracketmatrix, 1 bracket has us out, one has us as a 7. reset are 8-12s with an average seed of 9.64.

Minnesota and Mississippi State are in the first four out. Would help us if one or both of them played their way in to give us another win or two over a tournament team. Can never have to many of those
I saw the one bracket that had us out......that guy is a moron based upon who he had in and out. I mean....at least read how the committee evaluate teams and seeding....good grief.

Minnesota has plenty of opportunities to play their way back in, but I don't know if they are good enough. Mississippi State had a borderline bad loss the other night against Ole Miss. Their problem is that they only have (2) Q-1 opportunities left...and one of those opportunities is South Caroline (#75) who could easily fall into Q-2. They may have to do some damage in the SEC tournament to have a chance.
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Those are always tricky deals -- do you want teams we played (like those two and Wichita State) to win because it improves our resume a bit, or do you want them to fall out of contention because they are bubble teams and we will be competing with them for spots (unless we win enough games to remove ourselves from the bubble and only worry about seeding)?
Im on the worry about seeding train at the moment so i want them in so we can avoid the 1 seed in the 2nd game. But that's just one man's opinion. I think we win the games we need to win, and maybe steal one the rest of the way to be safely in
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sure, but would you rather be a 9 seed or a 7 seed? Want to play the one the 2nd game or the end of the 2nd weekend?
I wouldnt be surprised if OU ended up a 6 after its all said and done. That is my bet.
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I wouldnt be surprised if OU ended up a 6 after its all said and done. That is my bet.
I would love to be a 6 seed. Avoid the top two seeds until the 2nd weekend.
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I wouldnt be surprised if OU ended up a 6 after its all said and done. That is my bet.
I hope we're a 6 in Kansas City!
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osu also beat houston who is a tourney team ..
One solid win shouldn't trump a season of bad basketball.

NET, like any other stat, has holes.
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I wouldnt be surprised if OU ended up a 6 after its all said and done. That is my bet.
I'll take that bet. No way we end up with a top 24 resume.
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I'll take that bet. No way we end up with a top 24 resume.
Believe it or not, our resume ranks somewhere between 30-35 at the moment on more than a few bracketology metrics sites. Our "strength of record" is top 35 on most sites as well. What weighs down our NET tanking as well as our power rankings on certain sites is that this team rarely blows other teams out. Also, OU has lost by double-digits several times this year....once even at home. That always puts a dent in overall rating.

Every advanced analytic site has its own little formula, but this OU team is probably under-seeded as of now. Outside of having only one "great" win, this OU resume has no warts. And yes, I realize that this team hasn't passed the eye test very well at times. But, if this teams grabs a couple of more big scalps....a 6 seed isn't out of the question. Now can they do that?....well, that's another story.
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One solid win shouldn't trump a season of bad basketball.
We're 15-8 against, according to Kenpom, the 10th toughest schedule in basketball, but it's been "a season of bad basketball"?
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We're 15-8 against, according to Kenpom, the 10th toughest schedule in basketball, but it's been "a season of bad basketball"?
He was referring to OSU
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Im on the worry about seeding train at the moment so i want them in so we can avoid the 1 seed in the 2nd game. But that's just one man's opinion. I think we win the games we need to win, and maybe steal one the rest of the way to be safely in
I'm with you. Anything but the 8/9 game.
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Right you are. My apologies to WT. That's what I get for posting on a busy day at work.
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