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Old Today, 02:55 PM   #76
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The difference between Lon being at 61% and being at 58% is less than 1 win per season. That is not significant.
So a .270 hitter is as good as a .300 hitter? Because that's also "only" a difference of three per 100. And as I noted, Lon has played a much tougher schedule than Capel did OU.

As for some of the other posters on the board, I've never suggested Kelvin wasn't a great coach. I love the guy, and unlike some of you, he treated me incredibly well and I have no connection to the program other than being a diehard fan since I was a tiny kid growing up in Kansas. But again, I don't see why there is any need to compare him and Lon. Even if you don't think Lon measures up to KS, that in and of itself doesn't mean he isn't a good coach.
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Old Today, 03:03 PM   #77
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So a .270 hitter is as good as a .300 hitter? Because that's also "only" a difference of three per 100. And as I noted, Lon has played a much tougher schedule than Capel did OU.
oh c'mon. That isn't even comparable.

I don't know anyone but you that would debate there is a big difference b/t a winning percentage of 58% and 61%
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It's not fair to say Lon only won with Buddy. Lon has had successful seasons nearly everywhere he's gone. The problem is this -- Lon wins in CYCLES. He never has sustained success. If you look at his career, he's gone to the Sweet 16 with nearly every team he's coached (exception: Illinois). You'll also notice that early success never led to the program reaching new heights; they spiraled downward immediately after.

My take on this is not that he becomes complacent or anything like that, but simply that he has to reset. He's never been at a program long enough to have time for a second wave of success, but I fully expect he will if he stays at OU a few more years. This second wave has been delayed because James/Odomes didn't develop into Cousins/Hield caliber, which was followed up by the McGusty disaster and Trae's early departure. This program is getting a hard reset next year, and I fully expect us to make a Sweet 16 with the incoming group of guys. That's just the Lon Kruger way, and I'll take bets on it all day (if he makes it that long). My hope is that he retires on that high note, and steps away before we have to experience this downward cycle again (which, historically speaking, is almost inevitable).
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The difference between Lon being at 61% and being at 58% is less than 1 win per season. That is not significant.
The difference between having 2 years of Blake Griffin and not is significant, however.
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The difference between having 2 years of Blake Griffin and not is significant, however.
Lon had Buddy and Trae. You can't look at somebody's 5 year tenure, scrap their top 2, and expect to have much to look at.
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The difference between having 2 years of Blake Griffin and not is significant, however.
You need to think before you type.

Buddy & TY > Griffin
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