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Old 04-15-2018, 11:02 AM   #1
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Default Sell me on "low major" graduate transfers

Many here seem to favor the "low major" D1 graduate transfer over some HS players and certainly over junior college recruiting at this stage of the game. In fact, many of the coaches must feel the same way because they are passing up good junior college talent to go after players from Maine, Pacific, and other "low major" leagues.

The base logic makes sense... they've played D1 basketball before, they are older, graduated, experienced, etc. However, you only get them for one year and they only get one year to adjust to a new team, develop chemistry, etc and then they are gone.

Also, a quick scan of the All Big 12 selections doesn't yield a single player like this. On the other hand, 20% of the list is made up of juco transfers. So at least there is a precedent for juco transfers competing at a high level in this league.

OSU took one last year who played an important role on their team (Kendall Smith), but he was up and down, but overall a solid player. But now he is gone already. Just a one year rental to fill a gap before the next season starts.

What is your reasoning for favoring guys like Aaron Calixte and Miles Reynolds over guys like Devonte Bandoo and Ricky Torres? I am not saying it is wrong to favor these, I am just curious as to why so many of you seem to get more excited about the grad transfer than other types of recruits.
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:48 AM   #2
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Many here seem to favor the "low major" D1 graduate transfer over some HS players and certainly over junior college recruiting at this stage of the game. In fact, many of the coaches must feel the same way because they are passing up good junior college talent to go after players from Maine, Pacific, and other "low major" leagues.

The base logic makes sense... they've played D1 basketball before, they are older, graduated, experienced, etc. However, you only get them for one year and they only get one year to adjust to a new team, develop chemistry, etc and then they are gone.

Also, a quick scan of the All Big 12 selections doesn't yield a single player like this. On the other hand, 20% of the list is made up of juco transfers. So at least there is a precedent for juco transfers competing at a high level in this league.

OSU took one last year who played an important role on their team (Kendall Smith), but he was up and down, but overall a solid player. But now he is gone already. Just a one year rental to fill a gap before the next season starts.

What is your reasoning for favoring guys like Aaron Calixte and Miles Reynolds over guys like Devonte Bandoo and Ricky Torres? I am not saying it is wrong to favor these, I am just curious as to why so many of you seem to get more excited about the grad transfer than other types of recruits.

Guys like Reynolds and Calixte put up numbers against competition miles ahead of what anyone in JUCO has done. They are legitimate D1 players who performed at a high level. There isn't a comparison.


My ranking, and I would assume most would agree with me are as follows: High School players > High level D1 transfers > low level grad transfers > JUCO guys.


JUCOs and Grad transfers are both ideally used to fill in gaps on your roster for a given year or two. Grad transfers, however, are guys who have proven their chops against D1 competition for 3+ years. They also clear out after one year so that you can use that roster spot for a more valuable HS or D1 transfer player. JUCOs have played against garbage competition making it harder to evaluate them. They take up a roster spot for two years, so its more punishing when they don't turn out well. And JUCO guys are usually there for a reason, i.e. they have some kind of baggage, whether that's academic or off the court.
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:50 AM   #3
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Their play on the court will do all the 'selling' necessary.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:06 PM   #4
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They're better than most juco guys.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:15 PM   #5
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1. for coaches it's much more of a known commodity so you dont have to completely wait and see

2. you can get them on the floor quickly

3. they dont have that infernal learning lag that you have when kids are still getting their feet wet.

4. game experience counts ... ESPECIALLY if it was during a brutal whipping or hard season.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:19 PM   #6
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1. for coaches it's much more of a known commodity so you dont have to completely wait and see

2. you can get them on the floor quickly

3. they dont have that infernal learning lag that you have when kids are still getting their feet wet.

4. game experience counts ... ESPECIALLY if it was during a brutal whipping or hard season.
They have 3 years of court time against high major opponents (via non conference) so coaches have plenty of film to evaluate.
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