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Old 05-23-2019, 09:38 AM   #51
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  • We were #6 out of 10 in scoring defense in the Big 12
  • We are #9 out of 10 in the Big 12 in offensive rebounds given up per game
  • #7 out of 10 in rebounding margin
  • #8 out of 10 in blocks
  • #8 out of 10 in steals
  • #2 out of 10 in FG% defense
  • #4 out of 10 in 3pt% defense

Looks like they aren't aggressive on defense which is why we don't block shots or get a bunch of steals, and rebounding is clearly a problem... but they do a good job of playing good, steady defense and force misses, etc.
That's a whole lot of numbers and guesswork. At the end of the day, we played good defense with Doolittle at the 5 -- that's why I think we are capable of playing good defense with Doolittle at the 5. It's pretty simple.
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Old 05-23-2019, 09:51 AM   #52
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That's a whole lot of numbers and guesswork. At the end of the day, we played good defense with Doolittle at the 5 -- that's why I think we are capable of playing good defense with Doolittle at the 5. It's pretty simple.
We played good defense with our best players on the floor. Has nothing to do with Doolittle being at the 5. Doolittle is not a 5 and The University of Oklahoma should not have to rely on him at the 5. He is a SF/PF forced to play out of position.

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Old 05-23-2019, 10:49 AM   #53
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Exactly why we need one. They also help erase mistakes on D by other players. Doolittle, as a 5, cannot do that.
I agree. However, even if we get the best shot blocker in OU history people will still complain about him.
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Old 05-23-2019, 10:52 AM   #54
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We played good defense with our best players on the floor. Has nothing to do with Doolittle being at the 5. Doolittle is not a % and The University of Oklahoma should not have to rely on him at the 5. He is a SF/PF forced to play out of position.
Doolittle was the best or 2nd best defender on a good defensive team last year.
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Old 05-23-2019, 10:54 AM   #55
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Doolittle was the best or 2nd best defender on a good defensive team last year.
Based on what? Your eyes, or something else?
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:09 AM   #56
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Doolittle was the best or 2nd best defender on a good defensive team last year.
Every coach in the league would agree. He was also the most versatile defender in the league, as he could guard basically every position. Again, anyone would agree except people with an agenda.
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Doolittle was the best or 2nd best defender on a good defensive team last year.
Agreed, which is why he is on the floor. Some want to keep pigeon holing him as a 5 and he is no way shape or form a 5. We just had no better option this year than to play him in a position that is typically reserved for bigger players. If Manek were stronger it would have been him.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:23 AM   #58
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Based on what? Your eyes, or something else?
A bunch of adjusted defense stats & my eyes. I break down the game & rewatch plays to understand why something happened or worked.

Thatís why I could stand the team 2 years ago & respected last years team.
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Every coach in the league would agree. He was also the most versatile defender in the league, as he could guard basically every position. Again, anyone would agree except people with an agenda.
Please, stop. Do you ever get tired?
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:42 AM   #60
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Agreed, which is why he is on the floor. Some want to keep pigeon holing him as a 5 and he is no way shape or form a 5. We just had no better option this year than to play him in a position that is typically reserved for bigger players. If Manek were stronger it would have been him.
Yeah sure, if Anthony Davis came walking through those doors, Doolittle could easily slide to the 4. But he's not.

We're capable of playing good defense with Doo at the 5. We've done it. It's a fact. There's nothing to argue.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:52 AM   #61
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I agree. However, even if we get the best shot blocker in OU history people will still complain about him.
Khadeem Lattin was not a good defender. He blocked a lot of shots, but he almost didn't know how to defend the pick and roll.
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A bunch of adjusted defense stats
For individual players? Link?
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If we don't add a starter at center we can still be successful up until the sweet 16 at which time we hit the wall. Plenty of good entertaining stuff can happen before that.
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Khadeem Lattin was not a good defender. He blocked a lot of shots, but he almost didn't know how to defend the pick and roll.
He was a good hard hedger, he struggled on the block against good back to the basket players.
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For individual players? Link?
The adjusted defensive stats were for the team, not individuals. It was pretty easy to see how good of a defender Doolittle, Odomes, Bienemy, Reynolds, & Calixte early on were. Then as you break it down it proves it further. Iíd love to watch a game with you so we can show each other what we are talking about.
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He was a good hard hedger, he struggled on the block against good back to the basket players.
The problem is that he couldn't adjust to the offensive players throughout the game. If he hedged hard, and they dumped to the roll man ... he would continue to hedge hard over and over again leading to a ton of layups for the other team.
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The problem is that he couldn't adjust to the offensive players throughout the game. If he hedged hard, and they dumped to the roll man ... he would continue to hedge hard over and over again leading to a ton of layups for the other team.
That just didnít happen very often. McNeace also hard hedged on high ball screens but wasnít near as good.
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If Doo is out starting 5 we will not block shots, we will give up offensive rebounds in droves, and we will be a less than average rebounding team.
We could play Manek at the 5 or heck even try Bienemy at the 5 but that doesn’t make them true 5’s just like playing Doo at the 5 doesn’t make him a true 5. He’s not.
We get killed on the boards with Doo at the 5. Because he’s not a 5.
Did we have anyone average even 1 blocked shot per game last year?
Every Big in the B12 will be licking their chops to kill us on the boards if Doo at 6’6” is our 5.
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If Doo is out starting 5 we will not block shots, we will give up offensive rebounds in droves, and we will be a less than average rebounding team.
We could play Manek at the 5 or heck even try Bienemy at the 5 but that doesn’t make them true 5’s just like playing Doo at the 5 doesn’t make him a true 5. He’s not.
We get killed on the boards with Doo at the 5. Because he’s not a 5.
Did we have anyone average even 1 blocked shot per game last year?
Every Big in the B12 will be licking their chops to kill us on the boards if Doo at 6’6” is our 5.
But he plays the 5. So he's a 5
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If Doo is out starting 5 we will not block shots, we will give up offensive rebounds in droves, and we will be a less than average rebounding team.
We could play Manek at the 5 or heck even try Bienemy at the 5 but that doesnít make them true 5ís just like playing Doo at the 5 doesnít make him a true 5. Heís not.
We get killed on the boards with Doo at the 5. Because heís not a 5.
Did we have anyone average even 1 blocked shot per game last year?
Every Big in the B12 will be licking their chops to kill us on the boards if Doo at 6í6Ē is our 5.

We played the whole second semester with Doo/Manek starting, so we know what we're getting. That's why I'm not excited about our chances inside.
OTOH, if Harmon/Bienemy/Reaves can actually hit outside shots and play perimeter defense, who knows.
Our guard play last season was downright terrible at times. So I'm not completely writing off the bigs just yet.
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We played the whole second semester with Doo/Manek starting, so we know what we're getting. That's why I'm not excited about our chances inside.
OTOH, if Harmon/Bienemy/Reaves can actually hit outside shots and play perimeter defense, who knows.
Our guard play last season was downright terrible at times. So I'm not completely writing off the bigs just yet.
If Reaves and JB can hit shots and play defense? Three combined years of college expect seems to be pretty good evidence to me.
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We could play Manek at the 5 or heck even try Bienemy at the 5 but that doesnít make them true 5ís just like playing Doo at the 5 doesnít make him a true 5. Heís not.
If Manek played the 5, and did so successfully, I would say he can successfully play the 5. Same with JB, although that's an absurd notion.

It's like saying Kyler Murray isn't a real QB because he's 5'10. If you had doubts coming in, that's one thing, but he just showed us for a whole year that he's capable. Sure, maybe he'd be a better CF or slot receiver, but that doesn't change the fact that he can play QB.
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If Manek played the 5, and did so successfully, I would say he can successfully play the 5. Same with JB, although that's an absurd notion.

It's like saying Kyler Murray isn't a real QB because he's 5'10. If you had doubts coming in, that's one thing, but he just showed us for a whole year that he's capable. Sure, maybe he'd be a better CF or slot receiver, but that doesn't change the fact that he can play QB.
Being able to do something and that being what you do or who you are, are two different things. Doolittle is able to play the center position, but he is not a center. LeBron James can play PG, he is not a PG.
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Being able to do something and that being what you do or who you are, are two different things. Doolittle is able to play the center position, but he is not a center. LeBron James can play PG, he is not a PG.
LeBron has effectively been the PG offensively on some very successful teams. If his teams lost, it wasn't because he was playing PG. It was because he didn't get enough help from his teammates. Doolittle is obviously not on Lebron's level, but it's a similar story. If Doolittle at the 5 is our worst player, then we're going to win the Big XII. We've been to the Final 4 with a worse 5 (Lattin).
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