Boom Forsythe commits - Page 2

Eielson · 07-21-2023, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WichitaSooner

Well their team is certainly no worse than we’ve been the past couple years. They arguably had more talent than we did but underachieved.

I guarantee you that when Cortes signed with OU, people were as pumped about him as they are now about Forsythe. I just hope for Forsythe’s sake, he gets more freedom to make mistakes than Cortes did.

Thanks for your predictable contributions to this thread.

WichitaSooner · 07-21-2023, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsaustin

I was jacked for cortes. Thought he was going to be legit. I think he still could have developed into a solid role player and maybe avg. Starter if he'd stayed

I agree. I really think his style was an especially bad fit for Moser. Some guys really need a coach who can live with mistakes and let guys play through them. I think a lot of people on the board were every bit as excited for Cortes as Forsythe.

TINY · 07-22-2023, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WichitaSooner

I agree. I really think his style was an especially bad fit for Moser. Some guys really need a coach who can live with mistakes and let guys play through them. I think a lot of people on the board were every bit as excited for Cortes as Forsythe.

Who cares what people thought about Bijan? Forsythe and Bijan are independent of each other. Besides, Bijan was a solid prospect out of high school. Seems more like just pouring water on another good recruiting win.

CoachTalk · 07-22-2023, 08:53 AM

Bijan needs to play in an up-tempo fast running gun offense. Slow it down, half court, not his thing.

WTSooner · 07-22-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachTalk

Bijan needs to play in an up-tempo fast running gun offense. Slow it down, half court, not his thing.

And yet, all we've heard is how fast OU is going to play this season. So Bijan could have stuck around, no?

I have no idea what to expect from Forsythe at OU. I do know we spend all offseason talking about how we needed to get bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. Forsythe certainly isn't bigger/stronger/faster. OU hasn't done well with players like him over the last 15 years or so. And with a move to the SEC looming, I just don't know. Not writing the kid off, just pointing out that he goes against what most of this board has been crying about for the last 12+ months.

WichitaSooner · 07-22-2023, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TINY

Who cares what people thought about Bijan? Forsythe and Bijan are independent of each other. Besides, Bijan was a solid prospect out of high school. Seems more like just pouring water on another good recruiting win.

Well, seeing as how you were one who posted in another thread a direct comparison between the two, I’d say you at least care a little bit. And I think it’s relevant to see how people view prior recruits because it basically shows that people will always hype up every high school kid we sign, then, once they leave, they downplay them and suggest that the newest recruit is better.

As of how, Forsythe is a three star kid. Maybe he turns out to be a stud. I hope that’s what happens.

Eielson · 07-22-2023, 01:20 PM

There are plenty of things to complain about during the Moser era, but when you complain about his HS recruiting, you're showing your true colors.

CoachTalk · 07-22-2023, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WTSooner

And yet, all we've heard is how fast OU is going to play this season. So Bijan could have stuck around, no?

I have no idea what to expect from Forsythe at OU. I do know we spend all offseason talking about how we needed to get bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. Forsythe certainly isn't bigger/stronger/faster. OU hasn't done well with players like him over the last 15 years or so. And with a move to the SEC looming, I just don't know. Not writing the kid off, just pointing out that he goes against what most of this board has been crying about for the last 12+ months.

Well first off, he left well before we had transfers to play faster.

Bijan liked some extra curriculars outside basketball. Look back at the suspension “leave”

Sometimes kids need a fresh start. I’m still a huge Bijan fan.

hoopsaustin · 07-22-2023, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WTSooner

And yet, all we've heard is how fast OU is going to play this season. So Bijan could have stuck around, no?

I have no idea what to expect from Forsythe at OU. I do know we spend all offseason talking about how we needed to get bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. Forsythe certainly isn't bigger/stronger/faster. OU hasn't done well with players like him over the last 15 years or so. And with a move to the SEC looming, I just don't know. Not writing the kid off, just pointing out that he goes against what most of this board has been crying about for the last 12+ months.

The sec will be easier. Much easier imo

WichitaSooner · 07-22-2023, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsaustin

The sec will be easier. Much easier imo

From a basketball standpoint, it’ll be easier, but not from a purely athletic standpoint. They always have tons of very athletic players. Not as skilled as the Big 12, or as well-coached overall, but you need to be able to keep up athletically.

NorthCarolinaSooner · 07-23-2023, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WichitaSooner

From a basketball standpoint, it’ll be easier, but not from a purely athletic standpoint. They always have tons of very athletic players. Not as skilled as the Big 12, or as well-coached overall, but you need to be able to keep up athletically.

I've actually had a very similar thought about the SEC. A ton of great athletes but not overloaded with great basketball per se. They have great top-end teams but it's not as deep as the Big 12 overall.

We have held our own vs SEC teams the last few years, even with our down years. I think we'll be fine in hoops and I'm hoping it opens up some new recruiting areas for us too.

NorthCarolinaSooner · 07-23-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WichitaSooner

I agree. I really think his style was an especially bad fit for Moser. Some guys really need a coach who can live with mistakes and let guys play through them. I think a lot of people on the board were every bit as excited for Cortes as Forsythe.

Well Cortes was recruited by Kruger....so naturally the fit/style was going to be different with a new coach. I had high hopes for Cortes but was worried about the same thing I do with Forsythe and that is "is the jump in level too big"?

For Forsythe though, I think he is more athletic than Cortes is which may translate a little better....at least I hope.

For me, I am not expecting Forsythe to come in and be an immediate difference maker. I just want him to contribute some early and work his way into potentially being a solid starter down the road.

Eielson · 07-23-2023, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsaustin

The sec will be easier. Much easier imo

Initially perhaps, but not for long. Within a few years, I suspect SEC will surpass the Big XII, and it might be by a wide margin. The move to the SEC has huge revenue implications, and while football was the large driver, this will spill over into other sports. Basketball will be the biggest benefactor after football.

Just look at schools like Alabama and Arkansas, who I would not consider traditional basketball powers. They're both positioned to easily be top 10 programs over the next 5 years, and that's almost entirely based on money. Recruiting against them is almost a lost cause currently comparable to the blue bloods. I'd rather see Gonzaga or Villanova on a list for a guy we're recruiting.

KU will remain a power, and Baylor is positioned to stay strong, but the rest of the conference will decline. KSU has a great thing going with Tang, but it's only a matter of time before an SEC school like LSU breaks the bank to bring that mercenary to their side. UH will be great as long as Kelvin is in charge, but that may only be a few more years. It's only a matter of time before SEC basketball starts to look a lot like SEC football (and baseball). Most of the schools that struggle in football will likely take the Arkansas route and dedicate their funds to basketball. I've been expecting Vanderbilt to give up on football and just be a baseball and basketball powerhouse.

NorthCarolinaSooner · 07-23-2023, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Eielson

Initially perhaps, but not for long. Within a few years, I suspect SEC will surpass the Big XII, and it might be by a wide margin. The move to the SEC has huge revenue implications, and while football was the large driver, this will spill over into other sports. Basketball will be the biggest benefactor after football.

Just look at schools like Alabama and Arkansas, who I would not consider traditional basketball powers. They're both positioned to easily be top 10 programs over the next 5 years, and that's almost entirely based on money. Recruiting against them is almost a lost cause currently comparable to the blue bloods. I'd rather see Gonzaga or Villanova on a list for a guy we're recruiting.

KU will remain a power, and Baylor is positioned to stay strong, but the rest of the conference will decline. KSU has a great thing going with Tang, but it's only a matter of time before an SEC school like LSU breaks the bank to bring that mercenary to their side. UH will be great as long as Kelvin is in charge, but that may only be a few more years. It's only a matter of time before SEC basketball starts to look a lot like SEC football (and baseball). Most of the schools that struggle in football will likely take the Arkansas route and dedicate their funds to basketball. I've been expecting Vanderbilt to give up on football and just be a baseball and basketball powerhouse.

Honestly, I expect our NIL game to continue to step up like it has started to. I think you'll see us adjust and continue to be more competitive. We'll see though.

hoopsaustin · 07-23-2023, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WichitaSooner

From a basketball standpoint, it’ll be easier, but not from a purely athletic standpoint. They always have tons of very athletic players. Not as skilled as the Big 12, or as well-coached overall, but you need to be able to keep up athletically.

I dont see the sec being extra athletic either than the big 12. I think across the board the sec will be easier

Seymore Cox · 08-03-2023, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsaustin

I dont see the sec being extra athletic either than the big 12. I think across the board the sec will be easier

I’m going to root for the kid and hope I’m wrong. I don’t see more than a hometown signee here. He’s the top player in the state by default.

There were 3 instate guards that were good quality guards in my opinion. I thought the Barrett kid had the most upside. That being said, I thought Barrett was a 2 year role player and maybe a 3rd year starter. I don’t ever see Forsythe being more than a role player off the bench. I hope I’m wrong.

Soonerinkc · 08-03-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachTalk

Well first off, he left well before we had transfers to play faster.

Bijan liked some extra curriculars outside basketball. Look back at the suspension “leave”

Sometimes kids need a fresh start. I’m still a huge Bijan fan.

so why the suspension?

girls/pot/ or combination thereof that made him late to practices?

FWIW I really liked his game when he was on. Hell, he was the only decent scorer in the dismal b12 tourney loss to the pokes

skyvue · 08-03-2023, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Soonerinkc

he was on. Hell, he was the only decent scorer in the dismal b12 tourney loss to the pokes

He had the team's best shooting percentage from deep, though he shot much less often than the other good shooters.

Sooner04 · 08-03-2023, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Soonerinkc

FWIW I really liked his game when he was on. Hell, he was the only decent scorer in the dismal b12 tourney loss to the pokes

And then, after we move the ball around, after we hit some open shots, after we cut a good chunk into the O-State lead, back he goes to the bench. One on one ball returns, the offense stagnates, and the Aggies complete their Super Sweep.

That game made for a long drive home back through the Flint Hills.

Soonerinkc · 08-04-2023, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner04

And then, after we move the ball around, after we hit some open shots, after we cut a good chunk into the O-State lead, back he goes to the bench. One on one ball returns, the offense stagnates, and the Aggies complete their Super Sweep.

That game made for a long drive home back through the Flint Hills.

ya...I was SOOOO "frustrated"...he hit ...2/3? from 3, then GS takes that POS double guarded deep 3 at the buzzer with Cortez standing there WIDE open.

I knew it was over then...

Soonerinkc · 08-04-2023, 12:56 PM

back to topic....

is this kid kind of like...maybe Paige for osu back in the day? compare him to someone ...even early OU..

Tim Heskitt
Mookie B...
Harmon
Price
Lavender
Woodard

anyone..

TINY · 08-04-2023, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Soonerinkc

back to topic....

is this kid kind of like...maybe Paige for osu back in the day? compare him to someone ...even early OU..

Tim Heskitt
Mookie B...
Harmon
Price
Lavender
Woodard

anyone..

Brent price is my comp.

CoachTalk · 08-04-2023, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Soonerinkc

back to topic....

is this kid kind of like...maybe Paige for osu back in the day? compare him to someone ...even early OU..

Tim Heskitt
Mookie B...
Harmon
Price
Lavender
Woodard

anyone..

Woodard to me but better defender. Id say more athletic. hes gonna dunk some, but better athlete makes him a better defender.

Shoots it well, loves pull up jumper. Winner. Better Sean pedulla how was at edmond mem and went to Va Tech.

MFDChief · 08-04-2023, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TINY

Brent price is my comp.

He’s a little bigger than Brent and is being recruited by the same level colleges as Brent so to say he could be similar to Brent is not an extreme reach. Now, having said that Brent played several years in the NBA which isn’t easy so we can only hope he is close to as good as Brent.

CoachTalk · 08-04-2023, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MFDChief

He’s a little bigger than Brent and is being recruited by the same level colleges as Brent so to say he could be similar to Brent is not an extreme reach. Now, having said that Brent played several years in the NBA which isn’t easy so we can only hope he is close to as good as Brent.

Same game as brent some.. but nba is different. Payton pritchard alittle. I know he is nba player. I dont see that good