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Old 01-23-2023, 11:15 AM   #251
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If this is demonstrably false, go back and look at every possession in the last five minutes of our losses and tell me how many times we ran good offense, compared to how many times he had Los or Grant stand at the top of the key for 20+ seconds before we even looked to score.
well for starters, in principal I do not mind standing around until the last third of the shot clock and then running a play. That is not a bad strategy in itself and is very common when you have the lead or tied. For teams in the NBA, that is good offense. FOr teams that can execute well, it is good offense. I don't have an issue with this strategy in principal.

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Yet you act as if the guy is the best Xs and Os coach around. I'd say you are the one who can't be objective if you can't see the late-game issues. It is so bad that even beat writers who cover the team tweet about it just about every game.
hyperbole doesn't do anything for me.

I see late game issues. I just don't see those issues as coaching.

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Old 01-23-2023, 11:24 AM   #252
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I'm not a coach or expert by any means, but I have a slightly different take on our late game issues. I feel like we have less margin for error, due to lack of athleticism and talent as others have mentioned, when compared to most big12 teams.
I get the "standing around" concerns on offense, but do we do that much more in the last 2 minutes than the first 38? I wonder, instead, if other teams have defensive (and offensive) adjustments up their sleeve that they can roll out late in the game and we don't? Alternatively, other teams have athletes that can find another gear in crunch time and we don't?
It seemed like on Saturday Baylor just stepped their game up (and hit a couple low % shots, to be fair) while we just kept playing at the same level. I've had the same impression in many of the other games we've blown late leads in the past 12 months.
We're clearly not our best in the closing minutes, but maybe we don't regress so much as we fail to match the level when other teams step up their game?

Just my 2 cents...
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:33 AM   #253
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I'm not a coach or expert by any means, but I have a slightly different take on our late game issues. I feel like we have less margin for error, due to lack of athleticism and talent as others have mentioned, when compared to most big12 teams.
I get the "standing around" concerns on offense, but do we do that much more in the last 2 minutes than the first 38? I wonder, instead, if other teams have defensive (and offensive) adjustments up their sleeve that they can roll out late in the game and we don't? Alternatively, other teams have athletes that can find another gear in crunch time and we don't?
It seemed like on Saturday Baylor just stepped their game up (and hit a couple low % shots, to be fair) while we just kept playing at the same level. I've had the same impression in many of the other games we've blown late leads in the past 12 months.
We're clearly not our best in the closing minutes, but maybe we don't regress so much as we fail to match the level when other teams step up their game?

Just my 2 cents...
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:34 AM   #254
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well for starters, in principal I do not mind standing around until the last third of the shot clock and then running a play. That is not a bad strategy in itself and is very common when you have the lead or tied. For teams in the NBA, that is good offense. FOr teams that can execute well, it is good offense. I don't have an issue with this strategy in principal.



hyperbole doesn't do anything for me.

I see late game issues. I just don't see those issues as coaching.

Beat writers, in general, are worthless
I agree, it can be good offense in the NBA, and for college teams with elite talent. I guess I figured that Moser should be smart enough to realize that he is coaching a college team that is clearly one of the least talented team in its league, and that is is therefore even more important to have constant ball and player movement.

As for beat writers, some are better than others, but they also are generally much more objective than fans because they don't care who wins games. I wish we had a beat writer like some of the ones who cover the Kansas teams, because if we did, they would have already written multiple articles with detailed looks at late-game strategy.
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Old 01-23-2023, 11:37 AM   #255
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I'm not a coach or expert by any means, but I have a slightly different take on our late game issues. I feel like we have less margin for error, due to lack of athleticism and talent as others have mentioned, when compared to most big12 teams.
I get the "standing around" concerns on offense, but do we do that much more in the last 2 minutes than the first 38? I wonder, instead, if other teams have defensive (and offensive) adjustments up their sleeve that they can roll out late in the game and we don't? Alternatively, other teams have athletes that can find another gear in crunch time and we don't?
It seemed like on Saturday Baylor just stepped their game up (and hit a couple low % shots, to be fair) while we just kept playing at the same level. I've had the same impression in many of the other games we've blown late leads in the past 12 months.
We're clearly not our best in the closing minutes, but maybe we don't regress so much as we fail to match the level when other teams step up their game?

Just my 2 cents...
I think it definitely increases in the last four or five minutes. I was sitting a few rows up from the court at the KU game. We played very good offense in the second half, for 15 minutes, and it led to a 10-point lead. The last five minutes were much different. Even the KU fans around me noticed that once KU came alive, the OU approach shifted to "waste as much time as possible and hope the clock runs out before KU catches up."
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Old 01-23-2023, 01:13 PM   #256
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The one glaring stat in three of our five conference losses is our inability to limit offensive rebounds and second chance points. Against Baylor we gave up 17 offensive boards and 30 second chance points.

Is rebounding effort, skill or luck.
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Old 01-23-2023, 01:21 PM   #257
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The one glaring stat in three of our five conference losses is our inability to limit offensive rebounds and second chance points. Against Baylor we gave up 17 offensive boards and 30 second chance points.

Is rebounding effort, skill or luck.
all three. Against Baylor, we seemed to have good effort and the ball just bounced their way
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Old 01-23-2023, 02:06 PM   #258
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It's gotten to the point where I can't watch our games anymore, and I hate that. I just know that if the other team is in striking distance towards the end of the game, they will have a great shot at winning. Second season in a row now that we've lost way too many games that we should have won at the end of the game, starting with our season opening. When that happened I rolled my eyes and said, 'looks like not much has changed in the off season,' being sarcastic for the most part, but then B12 play started, and here we are again. I hope we pull it together in the home stretch and pull these games out, but I just don't have confidence in the Groves brothers. When we have a walk-on producing more than either of them on any given night, that says a lot. Will we be any better next season with some new players at that position? Is the grass greener? Probably not, who knows. We've got to get more athleticism down low in order to be at the top half of the B12, IMO. Will Moser be around much longer if he doesn't improve in this? I say after 4 seasons if this keeps happening it's time to move on.
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