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Old 04-28-2022, 02:42 PM   #1
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Default Juco prospects are gone....

  • Mo Diarra from Garden City CC in Kansas went to Missouri without an OU offer....
  • De'Sean Nelson from Kilgore CC in Texas went to Depaul without an OU offer...
  • Daniss Jenkins from Odessa CC in Texas signed with Rick Pitino at Iona without an OU offer...
  • Sean East from John Logan College went to Missouri without an OU offer.. Juco player of the year

Those were my guys this year... Could be some Alondes Williams out there that is below the radar that maybe OU can get on. Or keep taking chances in the portal.
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Old 04-28-2022, 06:14 PM   #3
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Impressive group. IIRC, those three programs have won six of the last 10 national titles.

On a serious note, I do respect you putting a specific list out there. Just donít change your list in a few months if some other juco kid is having a nice season somewhere.
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Old 04-28-2022, 10:15 PM   #4
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I think the team will be alright without Mo Diarrhea
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Old 01-12-2023, 03:46 PM   #5
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  • Mo Diarra from Garden City CC in Kansas went to Missouri without an OU offer....
  • Averaging 0.5 ppg, 1 rpb, 0.5 apg in a whopping 4.7 minutes per game

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  • De'Sean Nelson from Kilgore CC in Texas went to Depaul without an OU offer...
  • 10.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 24.8 minutes

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  • Daniss Jenkins from Odessa CC in Texas signed with Rick Pitino at Iona without an OU offer...
  • 16.4 ppg, 4.6 rpb, 5.0 apg in 33 minutes

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  • Sean East from John Logan College went to Missouri without an OU offer.. Juco player of the year
8.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 23.3 minutes
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Averaging 0.5 ppg, 1 rpb, 0.5 apg in a whopping 4.7 minutes per game



10.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 24.8 minutes



16.4 ppg, 4.6 rpb, 5.0 apg in 33 minutes


8.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 23.3 minutes
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Old 01-12-2023, 07:07 PM   #7
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I think this thread proves me right, does it not?
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I think this thread proves me right, does it not?
i think you are 1 for 4. at best 2 for 4

Miss on Diarra
I consider Nelson a miss. I would imagine he wouldn't see the floor at OU or would be a limited role player

Jenkins numbers look good but again, he is at iona. He is putting up similar numbers to what Joe Bam was putting up last year at a small school

Not sure on sean east
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None of these guys would start at OU, and 3 wouldn't even play. Jenkins would be close as a starter, but I don't think you could start him and Sherfield together. He's also one of Iona's worst defenders & his advanced stats don't separate him from their other 2 better players. Uzan is a much better fit alongside Sherfield.
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None of these guys would start at OU, and 3 wouldn't even play. Jenkins would be close as a starter, but I don't think you could start him and Sherfield together. He's also one of Iona's worst defenders & his advanced stats don't separate him from their other 2 better players. Uzan is a much better fit alongside Sherfield.
Get out of here with your logic. Remember, we are living in fantasy land where every JUCO wants to come to OU, and where you can have 13 guys who are all really good players coexisting and being content with their playing time.
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Yeah, none of those 4 would have made a difference at OU, and none would start on any school in the Big XII.

There is one thing, though, that Bigabd is correct about. Billy Tubbs started the OU hoops tradition of plucking the best JUCOs in the land. Whether it was Harvey Grant, Mookie Blaylock, or Skeeter Henry, Tubbs either got the guy he wanted or he was at least in the running. I'll never forget what Larry Johnson's JUCO coach said back in the spring of 1989. "It's UNLV or Oklahoma. Everyone else is wasting their time." That means Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina were wasting their time.

Kelvin Sampson has said more than once that he took the OU job largely because what Billy accomplished. As such, he took that JUCO tradition Tubbs started and ran with it. He landed Corey Brewer, Ace McGhee, Taj Gray and a host of others.

Post-Kelvin, we ended the tradition on our own. It was likely because the JUCO talent pool is nothing like it was 30-40 years ago. While there are no Mookie Blaylocks or Harvey Grants in JUCO, there are still some Taj Grays and Skeeter Henrys popping up. I wish we could have kept that tradition going and been in the hunt for the best of the best every year...we certainly would have landed our fair share.

That was my long roundabout about way of saying Bigabd is not completely off base.
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Old 01-21-2023, 11:13 AM   #12
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I consider Nelson a miss. I would imagine he wouldn't see the floor at OU or would be a limited role player
Nelson in Big East play:

10 points, 6 rebounds against Xavier
15 points, 3 rebounds against Seton Hall
24 points, 8 rebounds against Villanova
14 points, 6 rebounds against Butler
17 points, 7 rebounds against Providence
6 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists against Georgetown
9 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists against Creighton
13 points, 9 rebounds against St Johns

13.1 points and 6 rebounds per game in Big East play and you are going to stick to your guns that Moser was right to go after Benny Schroeder and some of these other dudes on what most people, even on this forum, consider to be the least athletic and least talented team in our conference. The dude was right down the street and you are going to stick to your guns on that? Come on man, that's totally insane.

This is EXACTLY the kind of guy that fills a hole, plays a role... He'd probably average 9-10 points a game right now at OU... OU is losing some of these games by a few points. 1-2 more contributors, a few better athletes, that is the difference between winning and losing guys....There is absolutely zero doubt that Nelson brings more to the team than 75% of the roster. He's better than Jalen Hill and Hill has been playing college basketball for 5 years. Nelson is 20 games in.

Diarra is definitely surprising to me that he isn't ready yet... I still would have signed him, even knowing what I know now. Any day of the week. I take a chance on a regional recruit like that any day. It wouldn't surprise me if he still turns out good either.

I have zero doubt Daniss Jenkins and Sean East are better than Bijan Cortez, CJ Noland, Otegwa, and Joe Bam. Zero. None. Zilch. Cortez belongs at a school like Colorado State, Wyoming, UTEP, North Texas, etc.

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Post-Kelvin, we ended the tradition on our own. It was likely because the JUCO talent pool is nothing like it was 30-40 years ago. While there are no Mookie Blaylocks or Harvey Grants in JUCO, there are still some Taj Grays and Skeeter Henrys popping up. I wish we could have kept that tradition going and been in the hunt for the best of the best every year...we certainly would have landed our fair share.

That was my long roundabout about way of saying Bigabd is not completely off base.
A very reasonable take.... and oddly enough the exact point I am making. Post-Kelvin, OU gave up on junior college players as a talent source, and instead went with them in desperate situations. OSU has done the same thing. I think it has cost both programs significantly.

There are plenty of dudes still out there, mostly in the area, to increase the age, talent level, and athletic ability of your team. In very few cases will they be stars, but they will fill gaps.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10ppg at OU
Kelley Newton averaged 9ppg at OU
Eric Martin averaged 12ppg at OU
Quannas White averaged 8.5ppg at OU
Mike Neal averaged 11ppg at OU
Ebi Ere averaged 13ppg at OU

Those guys are still out there... Just in the last few years.

Alonzo Verge from a Missouri juco averaged 15ppg at Arizona State
Devante Bandoo from a Kansas juco averaged 8.5ppg on a great Baylor team
Taz Sherman from a Texas juco averaged 12ppg at West Virginia
Shakuir Juiston from a Kansas juco averaged 11ppg at Oregon/UNLV
Jo Acuil from a Kansas juco averaged 14 and 9 at Baylor

These are the same kinds of dudes Kelvin Sampson signed.. OU just isn't signing them. It's killing the consistency of the program more than anything. OU isn't bringing in enough talent to consistently be good, and I think its exactly for this reason.
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Nelson in Big East play:

10 points, 6 rebounds against Xavier
15 points, 3 rebounds against Seton Hall
24 points, 8 rebounds against Villanova
14 points, 6 rebounds against Butler
17 points, 7 rebounds against Providence
6 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists against Georgetown
9 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists against Creighton
13 points, 9 rebounds against St Johns

13.1 points and 6 rebounds per game in Big East play and you are going to stick to your guns that Moser was right to go after Benny Schroeder and some of these other dudes on what most people, even on this forum, consider to be the least athletic and least talented team in our conference. The dude was right down the street and you are going to stick to your guns on that? Come on man, that's totally insane.

This is EXACTLY the kind of guy that fills a hole, plays a role... He'd probably average 9-10 points a game right now at OU... OU is losing some of these games by a few points. 1-2 more contributors, a few better athletes, that is the difference between winning and losing guys....There is absolutely zero doubt that Nelson brings more to the team than 75% of the roster. He's better than Jalen Hill and Hill has been playing college basketball for 5 years. Nelson is 20 games in.

Diarra is definitely surprising to me that he isn't ready yet... I still would have signed him, even knowing what I know now. Any day of the week. I take a chance on a regional recruit like that any day. It wouldn't surprise me if he still turns out good either.

I have zero doubt Daniss Jenkins and Sean East are better than Bijan Cortez, CJ Noland, Otegwa, and Joe Bam. Zero. None. Zilch. Cortez belongs at a school like Colorado State, Wyoming, UTEP, North Texas, etc.



A very reasonable take.... and oddly enough the exact point I am making. Post-Kelvin, OU gave up on junior college players as a talent source, and instead went with them in desperate situations. OSU has done the same thing. I think it has cost both programs significantly.

There are plenty of dudes still out there, mostly in the area, to increase the age, talent level, and athletic ability of your team. In very few cases will they be stars, but they will fill gaps.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10ppg at OU
Kelley Newton averaged 9ppg at OU
Eric Martin averaged 12ppg at OU
Quannas White averaged 8.5ppg at OU
Mike Neal averaged 11ppg at OU
Ebi Ere averaged 13ppg at OU

Those guys are still out there... Just in the last few years.

Alonzo Verge from a Missouri juco averaged 15ppg at Arizona State
Devante Bandoo from a Kansas juco averaged 8.5ppg on a great Baylor team
Taz Sherman from a Texas juco averaged 12ppg at West Virginia
Shakuir Juiston from a Kansas juco averaged 11ppg at Oregon/UNLV
Jo Acuil from a Kansas juco averaged 14 and 9 at Baylor

These are the same kinds of dudes Kelvin Sampson signed.. OU just isn't signing them. It's killing the consistency of the program more than anything. OU isn't bringing in enough talent to consistently be good, and I think its exactly for this reason.
Lol Jalen Hill averages 13.1 and 6.3 in Big 12 play. Granted, he hasnít faced any competition as fierce as Georgetown or St. Johnís Ö he has done it against lesser opponents like Kansas, Texas, and Iowa State. But sure, he probably isnít as good as a role player on a terrible team in an inferior league.
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Lol Jalen Hill averages 13.1 and 6.3 in Big 12 play. Granted, he hasn’t faced any competition as fierce as Georgetown or St. John’s … he has done it against lesser opponents like Kansas, Texas, and Iowa State. But sure, he probably isn’t as good as a role player on a terrible team in an inferior league.
Also gotta love how he gives the benefit of the doubt to a 3rd year player in diarra but the thought never occurred to him that a talented true freshman like Benny might improve. That post is lunacy.
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Being an OU and NMSU alum, Juco is not always an answer. NMSU is a loaded Juco team that is 0-7 in conference play. Last year a tourney team, this year, the wheels have completely come off. Worst start since the 50ís. Player involved in gun fatality, we need to be careful what we wish for.
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