Big 12 Officiating .... Re OU and Texas

MiketheH · 01-18-2023, 09:08 AM

ISU assault vs. UT.

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BoulderSooner · 01-18-2023, 09:23 AM

its fine OU and texas are getting the same calls as everyone else ..

lol

CoachTalk · 01-18-2023, 09:39 AM

expect it tonight

jaymOU · 01-18-2023, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MiketheH

ISU assault vs. UT.

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No review on the play either. I don't really think there is any real conspiracy out there, but incompetence - yes. How do all three officials fail to call for a review here?

About as bad as John Higgins missing the ball go off the guide wire during the ISU game in Norman. Hard to understand how three officials miss a call like that.

Okay, now maybe I believe there is conspiracy

WichitaSooner · 01-18-2023, 10:02 AM

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No review on the play either. I don't really think there is any real conspiracy out there, but incompetence - yes. How do all three officials fail to call for a review here?

About as bad as John Higgins missing the ball go off the guide wire during the ISU game in Norman. Hard to understand how three officials miss a call like that.

Okay, now maybe I believe there is conspiracy

Incompetence is almost always the answer. Everyone always thinks there is a conspiracy against their team or in favor of the opponent. Just like on this board -- after days of talking about the FT numbers, there was nary a mention of if after Saturday's game. I wonder if that's because we were the ones on the good side of that column? Even last night, as much as people complain about KU getting every break, the refs missed the fact that the KSU player was out of bounds while touching the ball with a second or two left in OT.

I think KU certainly gets a VERY favorable whistle, especially at home. Other than our annual game there, I can think of maybe two games in the last decade where I felt we were the victim of truly awful, one-sided officiating, and even then, I thought the refs just sucked (as opposed to making a decision to screw a team coached by the nicest man in college basketball).

BoulderSooner · 01-18-2023, 10:06 AM

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Incompetence is almost always the answer. Everyone always thinks there is a conspiracy against their team or in favor of the opponent. Just like on this board -- after days of talking about the FT numbers, there was nary a mention of if after Saturday's game. I wonder if that's because we were the ones on the good side of that column? Even last night, as much as people complain about KU getting every break, the refs missed the fact that the KSU player was out of bounds while touching the ball with a second or two left in OT.

I think KU certainly gets a VERY favorable whistle, especially at home. Other than our annual game there, I can think of maybe two games in the last decade where I felt we were the victim of truly awful, one-sided officiating, and even then, I thought the refs just sucked (as opposed to making a decision to screw a team coached by the nicest man in college basketball).

so the lack of holding calls against OU and texas opponents was also just conspiracy?

it is not being paranoid is they are actually out to get you

WichitaSooner · 01-18-2023, 10:23 AM

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so the lack of holding calls against OU and texas opponents was also just conspiracy?

it is not being paranoid is they are actually out to get you

Again, football and basketball are different because football refs actually work for the conference and basketball refs don't. And I don't watch enough Texas football to know if they got jobbed. As for OU, as bad as our defense is, opponents probably don't feel the need to hold.

But people griped about officiating on this board long before we made the SEC announcement, and fans of other teams also think they are getting screwed. It's the nature of being a fan, I guess, but when people complain about dozens of calls a game, it loses all credibility.

steverocks35 · 01-18-2023, 10:23 AM

I've been out of town for a few days and haven't visited this site and the first thing I read is a conspiracy theory about refs being out to get us. Hilarious.

Sooner Season · 01-18-2023, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jaymOU

No review on the play either. I don't really think there is any real conspiracy out there, but incompetence - yes. How do all three officials fail to call for a review here?

About as bad as John Higgins missing the ball go off the guide wire during the ISU game in Norman. Hard to understand how three officials miss a call like that.

Okay, now maybe I believe there is conspiracy

I'm not sure about a conspiracy. You know the Big12refs twitter account was in existence long before the SEC announcement was made, so they were the butt of ridicule long before that. I'm more inclined to believe incompetency. I would like to hope SEC refs are better, but I recall several terrible calls or no calls last year from SEC basketball officials that made national headlines, so my hope is not much.

While I'm definitely not a Jon Higgins fan, I have to say he was the baseline official when the "guide wire" play happened and that official is never watching the shot. Of course at least one of the other two officials should have seen it, but Higgins was not at fault on that one.

SoonerBounce13 · 01-18-2023, 10:56 AM

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ISU assault vs. UT.

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wow that is terrible

SoonerBounce13 · 01-18-2023, 10:58 AM

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I've been out of town for a few days and haven't visited this site and the first thing I read is a conspiracy theory about refs being out to get us. Hilarious.

not just us. It is OU and Texas since they are leaving the conference. It isn't as bad in basketball. It football it was obvious

BoulderSooner · 01-18-2023, 10:59 AM

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Again, football and basketball are different because football refs actually work for the conference and basketball refs don't. And I don't watch enough Texas football to know if they got jobbed. As for OU, as bad as our defense is, opponents probably don't feel the need to hold.

But people griped about officiating on this board long before we made the SEC announcement, and fans of other teams also think they are getting screwed. It's the nature of being a fan, I guess, but when people complain about dozens of calls a game, it loses all credibility.

basketball refs work a region so while they are not only big 12 refs the same group refs basically all the games ..

WichitaSooner · 01-18-2023, 11:12 AM

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basketball refs work a region so while they are not only big 12 refs the same group refs basically all the games ..

They are independent contractors. Most of the refs who call our games will also be calling our games in the SEC.

skyvue · 01-18-2023, 11:38 AM

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after days of talking about the FT numbers, there was nary a mention of if after Saturday's game.

OU is still down 38 fouls in conference play; you really expect OU fans to complain that they finally shot more free throws, especially when it came in a home game against a Huggins-coached team?

steverocks35 · 01-18-2023, 11:53 AM

It’s so dumb. Why would the refs give a damn that we’re leaving the conference? It’s a bad excuse for our bad play as well.

tmeyer3307 · 01-18-2023, 12:03 PM

Don't think that's a dirty play. I think Grill is trying to box out and is a bit late.. He fouled the guy/off balanced and he hit hard. Move on.. Dirty play nah.. missed call yes.

SoonerBounce13 · 01-18-2023, 12:38 PM

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Don't think that's a dirty play. I think Grill is trying to box out and is a bit late.. He fouled the guy/off balanced and he hit hard. Move on.. Dirty play nah.. missed call yes.

sure looked intentional

jaymOU · 01-18-2023, 12:44 PM

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sure looked intentional

I would think it would be a flagrant 1 at least. I think it is a text book call, would love to hear what a college official would say about it.

scrybe · 01-18-2023, 12:52 PM

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I would think it would be a flagrant 1 at least. I think it is a text book call, would love to hear what a college official would say about it.

Three seem to be keeping mum.

TINY · 01-18-2023, 02:41 PM

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I would think it would be a flagrant 1 at least. I think it is a text book call, would love to hear what a college official would say about it.

This is when former great Usedtobe1 would chime in and let us know the rules.

RIP Usedtobe1

steverocks35 · 01-18-2023, 03:14 PM

The rulebook is vague about flagrant fouls, but (if I'm reading and interpreting this correctly) it's definitely a judgment call and if the contact itself is not severe then it depends on whether or not the official thinks there is 1. intent and/or 2. there is risk of bodily harm to the receiving player. There is obviously no contact to the head or neck area which is emphasized in the rulebook. But, if the ref thinks the player in the air could have been severely harmed then a flagrant could have been given. I think flagrant 1 or common foul here. It doesn't look like he was intentionally trying to undercut the guy. He just backed up like he was trying to block out.

Edited to add: The more I watch it the more intentional it looks. Maybe a flagrant is warranted. Judgment call, but something should have been called.

CoachTalk · 01-18-2023, 03:59 PM

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I've been out of town for a few days and haven't visited this site and the first thing I read is a conspiracy theory about refs being out to get us. Hilarious.

When do you leave again?

Kidding…

cvangild · 01-18-2023, 04:25 PM

Surprised it wasn't Tim Higgins....FTG.

WaymanFan · 01-18-2023, 04:57 PM

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It’s so dumb. Why would the refs give a damn that we’re leaving the conference? It’s a bad excuse for our bad play as well.

They wouldn't...but someone above them, like the person who assigns them games or signs their paychecks might give a damn.

I'm just glad Coach Moser finally got a technical foul the other day. He needed one for the team in the worse way. I still think we would have lost had he not gotten one.

Bottom line...can't wait to get out of this conference, especially for the sake of the football program.

steverocks35 · 01-18-2023, 05:15 PM

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They wouldn't...but someone above them, like the person who assigns them games or signs their paychecks might give a damn.

I'm just glad Coach Moser finally got a technical foul the other day. He needed one for the team in the worse way. I still think we would have lost had he not gotten one.

Bottom line...can't wait to get out of this conference, especially for the sake of the football program.

And they ALL stayed quiet about being bribed or coerced into calling more fouls on us. Suuuure.