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Old 06-05-2019, 01:11 PM   #1
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Default 3-point line extension and other rule changes

For discussion purposes: a link to some of the rule changes for the upcoming year, including the 3-point line being extended to the international distance.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...-international
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Old 06-05-2019, 02:02 PM   #2
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This is not a good change. It helps the Dukes, Kentucky's of the world at the expense of everyone else.
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Old 06-05-2019, 02:28 PM   #3
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I love it. It's about time.
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Old 06-05-2019, 02:34 PM   #4
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I love it. It's about time.
Agree. The college game needs to get in line with the international game in just about every respect.
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Old 06-05-2019, 02:38 PM   #5
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This is not a good change. It helps the Dukes, Kentucky's of the world at the expense of everyone else.
Because only they get the players capable of covering that much space and shooting from that distance?
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Old 06-05-2019, 03:10 PM   #6
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Because only they get the players capable of covering that much space and shooting from that distance?
Yeah, if anything, "smaller" programs are the ones who tend to shoot the three better. Duke was an awful perimeter shooting team this season, and I don't remember many years where they, UK, UNC, KU, etc., won because they were lights out from three.
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Old 06-05-2019, 03:14 PM   #7
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I wonder how this changes the role of rebounders, big guys, etc? Any impact? We only talk about shooting.
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Old 06-05-2019, 03:44 PM   #8
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They just took the one thing smaller schools used as an equalizer and made it harder.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:26 PM   #9
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This isn't about big schools or small schools, it's about improving the quality of the sport. To the extent it favors any one style of play as a byproduct, it will be the best shooting teams because they'll be better capable of making the longer shot. Think of the NBA...deepest line in the world and no coincidence that threes are more important there than anywhere.
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Old 06-05-2019, 06:30 PM   #10
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Yeah, if anything, "smaller" programs are the ones who tend to shoot the three better. Duke was an awful perimeter shooting team this season, and I don't remember many years where they, UK, UNC, KU, etc., won because they were lights out from three.
I think that's his point. The three point line being further out makes three pointers less valuable, thus teams that rely on the 3 pointer are more affected.
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:38 PM   #11
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I think that's his point. The three point line being further out makes three pointers less valuable, thus teams that rely on the 3 pointer are more affected.
That's my thinking too......I think they should leave the line where it's at.....why move it back to where only the elite teams get guys that can shoot (and make it) from there???
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I think that's his point. The three point line being further out makes three pointers less valuable, thus teams that rely on the 3 pointer are more affected.
That's a reasonable take but I just draw the opposite conclusion. I think that the harder the shot is, the more it benefits the teams with good enough shooters to still make it. Teams aren't going to decrease their attempts, just like they didn't decrease 10 years ago. So there will be greater separation between the good and bad shooting teams. But honestly, I think it won't make a big difference in that regard. Now I just wish they'd go to four quarters with the bonus at five fouls in each quarter!
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Old 06-06-2019, 05:46 AM   #13
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The game didn't improve that last time they tried this.

I'm not a fan. They need to quit making the changes that never really have the impact they seem to suggest it will.
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Old 06-06-2019, 06:09 AM   #14
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I think that's his point. The three point line being further out makes three pointers less valuable, thus teams that rely on the 3 pointer are more affected.
this change makes the ability to shoot the 3 even more valueable ..
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:54 AM   #15
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there isn't a huge different b/t the international and the college line. i don't think we will see much of an effect.
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Old 06-06-2019, 10:51 AM   #16
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this change makes the ability to shoot the 3 even more valueable ..
How?
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:09 PM   #17
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Did Trae ever shoot a 3 that wouldn't have been behind the international line?
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:21 PM   #18
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The interesting thing with this change to me is spacing. Especially since teams tend to gravitate their offense to the 3pt line. Starting and running sets based off the 3pt line.

With the line moving back 1.3 ft that means more spacing on the court. Man teams will tend to guard farther out. Zone teams will to cover more space. Being able to keep proper spacing will become more important IMO.

It would allow Doolittle more space to maneuver in the midpost, make it harder to hedge and return on a shooter like Manek.

LK's NBA experience has to help OU in this regard.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:24 PM   #19
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The interesting thing with this change to me is spacing. Especially since teams tend to gravitate their offense to the 3pt line. Starting and running sets based off the 3pt line.

With the line moving back 1.3 ft that means more spacing on the court. Man teams will tend to guard farther out. Zone teams will to cover more space. Being able to keep proper spacing will become more important IMO.

It would allow Doolittle more space to maneuver in the midpost, make it harder to hedge and return on a shooter like Manek.

LK's NBA experience has to help OU in this regard.
Very good summary, and precisely why they did it.
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Old 06-06-2019, 02:13 PM   #20
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The interesting thing with this change to me is spacing. Especially since teams tend to gravitate their offense to the 3pt line. Starting and running sets based off the 3pt line.

With the line moving back 1.3 ft that means more spacing on the court. Man teams will tend to guard farther out. Zone teams will to cover more space. Being able to keep proper spacing will become more important IMO.

It would allow Doolittle more space to maneuver in the midpost, make it harder to hedge and return on a shooter like Manek.

LK's NBA experience has to help OU in this regard.
I think this is where we will see the biggest adjustments for certain teams. Specifically, teams that run a zone as their base defense (Cuse, Baylor, etc.) will now have now to account for shooters that are even more spaced out. Translation, all things being equal.....you will likely get even more open looks against teams that play zone. And I'm not just talking about open 3s. The lane will be less congested and teams that have decent mid-range shooters can exploit this as well. This change has the potential to help a guy like Doolittle immensely.

The downside is that as you move the line back, you will see a slight downturn in shooting %.....making rebounding a bit more of a premium as well.
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If the goal really is to open up the lane and improve spacing, moving the 3 point line back might help, but in my opinion, there are better, more immediate fixes. I think the better solutions would be:

1. Expand the restricted circle under the basket and tighten up offensive charging calls;

2. Widen the lane. It doesn't even have to go all the way to 16 ft like NBA/FIBA, but a 12 foot lane is just too tight for athletes at this level; and/or

3. Actually stick with the "freedom of movement" principles that were supposed to have been implemented a few years back.

I'm not necessarily opposed to moving the 3 pt line back, but given the stated goals, I think those are better solutions.

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Old 06-06-2019, 02:48 PM   #22
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I'm all for this. Anything that can get the game away from the cavalcade of charge/block calls.
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:09 PM   #23
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It doesn't mean more spacing. If teams wanted more spacing, they could have moved their wings 1.3 feet back on every play. All it means is it prices a lot of marginal shooters out of 3 point ability. A guy like Doolittle, who I had hoped would shoot more 3s next year, is now likely to repeat last season and not take any. It makes things a lot iffier for a guy like Bienemy. Reaves will be even more important next year, as he's a guy with legit range from anywhere.


This does not help a team like OU; it helps the Duke's and Kentucky's and Kansas's of the world who can recruit guys with elite size and athleticism. 3 pointers were the equalizer that make posting up and midrange shots less important. Making that difficult only helps the teams that can recruit at an elite level. Which I'm sure is what they want with teams like Duke and Kentucky having a lot of early exits because they can't shoot.
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It doesn't mean more spacing. If teams wanted more spacing, they could have moved their wings 1.3 feet back on every play. All it means is it prices a lot of marginal shooters out of 3 point ability. A guy like Doolittle, who I had hoped would shoot more 3s next year, is now likely to repeat last season and not take any. It makes things a lot iffier for a guy like Bienemy. Reaves will be even more important next year, as he's a guy with legit range from anywhere.


This does not help a team like OU; it helps the Duke's and Kentucky's and Kansas's of the world who can recruit guys with elite size and athleticism. 3 pointers were the equalizer that make posting up and midrange shots less important. Making that difficult only helps the teams that can recruit at an elite level. Which I'm sure is what they want with teams like Duke and Kentucky having a lot of early exits because they can't shoot.
I agree with this.

And I'll add, they've made changes before (moved the line back, added the arc), and it never makes a noticeable difference. This won't either. And like sperry says, it'll hurt the little guys.

Bad move all around.
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I like the rule change and think it will help the game. The college game should follow the international game in that respect.

Now, can they eliminate zone defenses please?
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