Beard to Texas - Page 3

MrAnderson · 04-01-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WTSooner

I just don't give a crap about them. UT football was pretty danged good under Mack Brown, and Bob Stoops and our Sooners kicked the snot out of them and accomplished so much more in those years. I worry about OU. If we take care of our program, nothing UT does will matter.

While I don't necessarily root for Big 12 teams in OOC games, I do think it's better for OU (in both sports) if the league has multiple good teams.

This. Worrying about other teams and wishing ill will on them to the point of hating them is a loser's mentality. Go get yours.

Like when OU fans are giving the horns down when playing anyone but Texas just puts Texas on a pedestal and it makes us look like we have an inferiority complex. It makes me cringe.

Eielson · 04-01-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WTSooner

Why does in state and in conference matter? I certainly didn't say anything about that.

Can I name coaches that had success and took a new job and didn't?

If Beard left to coach at a place like UNC or UCLA, then I'd understand your point. He would be leaving his recruiting base and perhaps his coaching style wouldn't work as well against different teams/coaches. He's not, though. He doesn't have to change a single thing. UT just upgraded even if Beard doesn't cash in on all his new resources and continues to do what he did at Tech.

Eielson · 04-01-2021, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrAnderson

This. Worrying about other teams and wishing ill will on them to the point of hating them is a loser's mentality. Go get yours.

I think you can do both. I can at least.

Big Old Booger · 04-01-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eielson

Chris Beard is staying in the same state and conference. Name 3 examples of coaches that did that without success. I might settle for one.

Tom Crean is close but Marquette is in Wisconsin and IU is not. Same geographical area and probably about the same distance apart as Austin to Lubbock.

The "in state" rule makes it harder to find examples.

Big Old Booger · 04-01-2021, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skyvue

This season, Tech finished one seed spot ahead of OU, with the same conference record as OU. Last season, Tech finished two spots behind OU, with the same conference record.

Sky, I like you but I disagree here. Tech swept us this year and I think they swept us last year but I could be wrong.

Tech and KSU are 2 programs Lon has really struggled to beat on a consistent basis and neither one is better than ours. Hopefully we can beat those programs with more regularity now and at least show up in Manhattan sometimes.

Romulus · 04-01-2021, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MrAnderson

This. Worrying about other teams and wishing ill will on them to the point of hating them is a loser's mentality. Go get yours.

Like when OU fans are giving the horns down when playing anyone but Texas just puts Texas on a pedestal and it makes us look like we have an inferiority complex. It makes me cringe.

Losers mentality? It’s called a damn rivalry.
Have you ever been to Dallas and the RRS?

skyvue · 04-01-2021, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eielson

UT just upgraded even if Beard doesn't cash in on all his new resources and continues to do what he did at Tech.

Beard didn't even continue to do what he did at Tech at Tech. He had two very good seasons followed by two seasons that Lon Kruger would have (and has) gotten roasted for (three, really, but I'm giving Beard a pass on his first season).

Two good seasons followed by a significant dropoff for two seasons and posters on this board have placed him in the coaching pantheon.

WaymanFan · 04-01-2021, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrAnderson

This. Worrying about other teams and wishing ill will on them to the point of hating them is a loser's mentality. Go get yours.

Like when OU fans are giving the horns down when playing anyone but Texas just puts Texas on a pedestal and it makes us look like we have an inferiority complex. It makes me cringe.

I get your point, but that’s a bit harsh. Great rivalries bring the venom out in one another. As long as it’s constructive, no harm done. For example, anyone who knows me understands I will never wear anything burnt orange. Also, I was at a hotel gym once and saw there were two exercise mats, one burnt orange and one hot pink. I took the pink one :-). Again, no harm done.

To your main point, I don’t lose sleep when Texas is really good in a particular sport because I figure the best AD in America will find a way to up his game to help put OU on a higher level in that same sport.

MrAnderson · 04-01-2021, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Losers mentality? It’s called a damn rivalry.
Have you ever been to Dallas and the RRS?

Several times. Bottom line is this: I want OU to win whomever they're playing against. And I couldn't care less whether some other team wins or loses unless it affects OU indirectly (or I have money on it).

Obsessing over other programs is so aggie and beta.

Stikboy · 04-01-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Losers mentality? It’s called a damn rivalry.
Have you ever been to Dallas and the RRS?

Amen. However I do agree with the Horns down garbage. Do it I guess when competing against Texas but doing it anywhere/anytime else is a loser mentality just like the ATM Aggies having an entire song dedicated to them.

Romulus · 04-01-2021, 03:15 PM

^^^^
Gets it. At the same time I absolutely do not want Texas to be on the level of Kansas in basketball

sheepdogs1 · 04-01-2021, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by skyvue

Beard didn't even continue to do what he did at Tech at Tech. He had two very good seasons followed by two seasons that Lon Kruger would have (and has) gotten roasted for (three, really, but I'm giving Beard a pass on his first season).

Two good seasons followed by a significant dropoff for two seasons and posters on this board have placed him in the coaching pantheon.

Or perhaps they are making an apples to apples comparison over a 5 year stretch. Using the term "pantheon" is just a distortion of reality. Confusion is created by distorting reality. Trouble comes from confusion. Why is it necessary. What does it achieve. Whatever floats your boat.

Eielson · 04-01-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Old Booger

Tom Crean is close but Marquette is in Wisconsin and IU is not. Same geographical area and probably about the same distance apart as Austin to Lubbock.

The "in state" rule makes it harder to find examples.

State is a minor thing for me if you have the same recruiting base. He also switched conferences.

While he may not have cashed in on IU's wannabe-blue blood status, he didn't exactly do worse at IU. He won the Big 10 twice vs winning C-USA once and never finished above 4th in the Big East. He also went to the Sweet 16 three times at IU despite advancing past the round of 32 once at Marquette.

Eielson · 04-01-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by skyvue

Beard didn't even continue to do what he did at Tech at Tech. He had two very good seasons followed by two seasons that Lon Kruger would have (and has) gotten roasted for (three, really, but I'm giving Beard a pass on his first season).

Two good seasons followed by a significant dropoff for two seasons and posters on this board have placed him in the coaching pantheon.

I've responded to this in other threads -- feel free to respond there if you want to engage in conversation rather than obnoxious trolling. Otherwise I'll leave you alone with this piss-poor logic that you can't possibly believe.

scrybe · 04-01-2021, 03:26 PM

I could give a rat's rear-end how well Chris Beard does at Texas – except when it comes to playing us. He's a good coach, but certainly not on the level of Bill Self. So what, if he made it to the NCAA title game? So did Lon Kruger at OU, as well as some Finals 4s at other stops. We can talk about this again after Beard has been a head coach for 40 years.

I agree wholeheartedly with WTS (Surprise!) and a few other posters. If Joe C. takes care of business – and I believe he will – the Sooners will continue to beat UT regularly and finish above the whorns in the conference standing more often than not.

Romulus · 04-01-2021, 03:31 PM

Scrybe , could you please post the final score of OU’s title game that Lon Kruger coached in?

dksooner · 04-01-2021, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scrybe

I could give a rat's rear-end how well Chris Beard does at Texas – except when it comes to playing us. He's a good coach, but certainly not on the level of Bill Self. So what, if he made it to the NCAA title game? So did Lon Kruger at OU, as well as some Finals 4s at other stops. We can talk about this again after Beard has been a head coach for 40 years.

I agree wholeheartedly with WTS (Surprise!) and a few other posters. If Joe C. takes care of business – and I believe he will – the Sooners will continue to beat UT regularly and finish above the whorns in the conference standing more often than not.

Nova kicked our ass in the semifinals

Max Power · 04-01-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Scrybe , could you please post the final score of OU’s title game that Lon Kruger coached in?

something tells me he can't...

skyvue · 04-01-2021, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eielson

I've responded to this in other threads -- feel free to respond there if you want to engage in conversation rather than obnoxious trolling. Otherwise I'll leave you alone with this piss-poor logic that you can't possibly believe.

I mean every word of it. I am the furthest thing from a troll, but on this board, offering a differing opinion, especially when it's accompanied by inconvenient facts, makes some posters very upset.

thebigabd · 04-01-2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by skyvue

I mean every word of it. I am the furthest thing from a troll, but on this board, offering a differing opinion, especially when it's accompanied by inconvenient facts, makes some posters very upset.

Hang in there skyvue... Guys like us are often misunderstood.

Eielson · 04-01-2021, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by skyvue

This season, Tech finished one seed spot ahead of OU, with the same conference record as OU. Last season, Tech finished two spots behind OU, with the same conference record.

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Originally Posted by Eielson

So what you're saying is that over the past 5 years (Beard's tenure), Lon's best is comparable to Beard's worst?

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skyvue · 04-01-2021, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thebigabd

Hang in there skyvue... Guys like us are often misunderstood.

ahem...

No worries here. I'm always prepared to stand behind my posts. That's the first time in nearly 30 years online that I've been accused of being a troll (to my "face," anyway), so the novelty of it is amusing.

thebigabd · 04-01-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skyvue

ahem...

No worries here. I'm always prepared to stand behind my posts. That's the first time in nearly 30 years online that I've been accused of being a troll (to my "face," anyway), so the novelty of it is amusing.

Some think I am a troll as well. I'm not a monster.... I'm just ahead of the curve.

scrybe · 04-01-2021, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Scrybe , could you please post the final score of OU’s title game that Lon Kruger coached in?

Hey, no one's perfect…well, except for a few dozen on this board.

skyvue · 04-01-2021, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thebigabd

Some think I am a troll as well. I'm not a monster.... I'm just ahead of the curve.

Indeed, it's assumed by some (stated in a post as recently as in the last half-hour) that a good portion of your posts are out-of-season April Fool's pranks. If that's not the case -- if all of them are sincere -- you are sorely misunderstood, it would seem. If some of them aren't genuine and are just meant to rile people up, I for one would just as soon see you end that approach. I'd rather know what you really think than be "entertained" by the prank posts and the furor that often follows them.

Not that you asked for my opinion, of course, nor should you necessarily care what I think.