Updated +/- 2021 Final Regular Season & Final post season

[oudna]

Post season +/- everyone in the negative for the post season except for Hill

Hill 4
Harmon -2
Phipps -2
Gibson -3
Reaves -4
Manek -7
Iwuakor -11
Williams -12
Kuath -13
Harkless -16

Regular season

Harmon 118
Reaves 100
Harkless 98
Gibson 90
Williams 82
Manek 73
Kuath 48
Hill 43
Iwuakor 32
Phipps 4

All games +/-

Harmon 116
Reaves 97
Gibson 87
Harkless 82
Williams 70
Manek 66
Hill 48
Kuath 35
Iwuakor 21
Phipps 2

[BoulderSooner]

thanks for posting this .....

if i pin it do you mind continuing to update it once a week or so as the season goes along ?

[CoachTalk]

Appreciate this! Thanks DNA

[oudna]

Will do

[AdaSooner]

Can you also explain it in simple terms old timers like me can understand?

I want to believe this system of measuring a player’s performance is legit, but it makes no sense to me. Thanks in advance!

[oudna]

Originally Posted by AdaSooner

Can you also explain it in simple terms old timers like me can understand?

I want to believe this system of measuring a player’s performance is legit, but it makes no sense to me. Thanks in advance!

It’s just the change on the scoreboard while the player is on the floor.

For example, if a player never rested and played the full 40 minutes, and his team won 70-60, he’d be a +10 for that game.

[red recluse]

kur-ious what kuath's number was 2-3 weeks ago. would be cool to post the updates in this thread instead of updating the original post to see who is rising/falling.

[AdaSooner]

Originally Posted by oudna

It’s just the change on the scoreboard while the player is on the floor.

For example, if a player never rested and played the full 40 minutes, and his team won 70-60, he’d be a +10 for that game.

Thanks. I was trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

[oudna]

Originally Posted by red recluse

kur-ious what kuath's number was 2-3 weeks ago. would be cool to post the updates in this thread instead of updating the original post to see who is rising/falling.

He was a 0 going into the UT-RGV game. +26 the last 3 games.

[skyvue]

Originally Posted by AdaSooner

Thanks. I was trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

I would say it's reductive (and useless).

[oudna]

Not surprised to see Harmon back starting for Williams

Will update numbers tomorrow

[BoulderSooner]

Originally Posted by oudna

Not surprised to see Harmon back starting for Williams

Will update numbers tomorrow

thank you

[WTSooner]

Pretty meaningless stat in college. Means more in the NBA where the talent level across a roster and across the league isn't as different as it is in college.

[oudna]

Updated

[Sooner04]

You're starting to see now why they're having real trouble playing Williams. He's 58 points behind the next guy who receives meaningful minutes. He got the quick hook last night in the first half.

[BCSooners]

Originally Posted by Sooner04

You're starting to see now why they're having real trouble playing Williams. He's 58 points behind the next guy who receives meaningful minutes. He got the quick hook last night in the first half.

I don’t understand how he’s as bad as he is based on how talented he is.

[TheMont]

Against KU, Hill did exactly what this team needs him to do every night. He was fighting for those boards.

[pnkranger]

Originally Posted by BCSooners

I don’t understand how he’s as bad as he is based on how talented he is.

He’s shooting 21% from 3, not a good team defender (bad at pick and roll), and doesn’t fill the stat sheets in other areas (rbs, assists, steals, etc.).

[SoonerinNC]

It is probably better than some think. Some flaws but in basketball the best players do not always make the best team. I have seen players who don't fill the stat sheet but the team always does better when they are in the game.

For example in todays game the tip pass from Hill to Manek with the clock running out was much more meaningful than an assist if he indeed got an assist.

One of the flaws in the number is it doesn't account for the damage to the team effort a player causes. His numbers are bad but he also negatively effects the numbers for the other four players.

On the other hand there are so many intangibles in basketball that the stat has some value.

I vote to keep updating it but keep some history.

[BCSooners]

Originally Posted by pnkranger

He’s shooting 21% from 3, not a good team defender (bad at pick and roll), and doesn’t fill the stat sheets in other areas (rbs, assists, steals, etc.).

I know that, I’m saying based on his talent he should be better at all those things. He looks lost on both ends which causes hesitation which is why his talent isn’t showing. I really hope he figures it out because he could be really good.

[stormspencer]

Originally Posted by oudna

Updated thru KU

Harmon +80
Hill +59
Manek +49
Reaves +47
Doolittle +38*
Kuath +22
Bieniemy +18
Iwuakor +17
Merritt -11
Williams -40

*missed 2 blowout wins

Thanks for updating this. If it isn't too much trouble, could you provide a "+/-" for conference games only. It would be interesting to contrast that list with the overall season list.

[sperry]

If you can't shoot the 3 and you can't play defense as a guard, you can't play. That's Williams problem. Like the overwhelming majority of JUCOs, he's a fringe rotation guy at best.

[oudna]

Updated thru Baylor

[oudna]

Originally Posted by stormspencer

Thanks for updating this. If it isn't too much trouble, could you provide a "+/-" for conference games only. It would be interesting to contrast that list with the overall season list.

Conference only
Harmon +29
Manek +13
Hill +10
Bieniemy +6
Doolittle 0
Reaves -1
Kuath -2
Iwuakor-3
Williams -32

[Sooner04]

In conference play Harmon is as good as Williams is bad.

Thanks for tabulating these. Game-to-game the plus/minus can produce some headscratchers. Overall, it provides a really good look at trends.