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Old 01-04-2016, 10:05 PM   #1
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That should have been a technical as he cant reach out of bounds there. AND the refs have to start enforcing that they are supposed to be back 5 feet - they never seem to enforce that and it hurt us there
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:09 PM   #2
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That should have been a technical as he cant reach out of bounds there. AND the refs have to start enforcing that they are supposed to be back 5 feet - they never seem to enforce that and it hurt us there
Yep. The refs seem to be late for an appointment in the 3rd overtime.
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:36 PM   #3
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Yep. The refs seem to be late for an appointment in the 3rd overtime.
Buddy never in bounds The ball. Spangler does. Not sure what the play was we were trying to run but it didn't work. Probably should have stuck with the go to!

KU was tough defensively all night. Great game.
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:40 PM   #4
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He was all over him. He even touched Buddy
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Old 01-05-2016, 04:58 AM   #5
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Garbage non call!!!!! So many times you at least see an official telling a defender he must give the inbounds passer some room. Dude was basically sharing Buddy's jersey with him on that play, even before the ref handed him the ball.....
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Garbage non call!!!!! So many times you at least see an official telling a defender he must give the inbounds passer some room. Dude was basically sharing Buddy's jersey with him on that play, even before the ref handed him the ball.....
That's what I don't get. Most games I think to myself, dang that ref is being very nitpicky about giving the inbounder enough room....to a fault even.
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That should have been a technical as he cant reach out of bounds there. AND the refs have to start enforcing that they are supposed to be back 5 feet - they never seem to enforce that and it hurt us there
It's actually three feet, not five, but regardless, Mason touched Buddy at least once and, definitely, broke the verticality rule, which states you can't cross any part of your body over the imaginary vertical line above the out-of-bounds stripe.

One question I had on the play, was why was Buddy inbounding the ball? Usually Spangler does it. Seemed strange at the time and I even said something to my sons when he was throwing it in. Maybe a different play than we had seen?
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One question I had on the play, was why was Buddy inbounding the ball? Usually Spangler does it. Seemed strange at the time and I even said something to my sons when he was throwing it in. Maybe a different play than we had seen?
only thing i can think of is that they knew it would be dang impossible to imbound right to buddy. so they probably had something drawn up to get it right back to him after the in bounds
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It's actually three feet, not five, but regardless, Mason touched Buddy at least once and, definitely, broke the verticality rule, which states you can't cross any part of your body over the imaginary vertical line above the out-of-bounds stripe.
There is no rule on how far a defender has to be, he just can't cross the plane before the ball is released, it's likely Mason did. Only shot I've seen is Mason landing out of bounds after the deflection, which is legal. My beef is with the configuration of AF in this instance, particularly in front of the bench on an inbounds play near half court. As the press releases today indicate, it's something KU is aware of and attempted to exploit, while a visiting team like OU, would probably overlook during shoot around, etc.

The 3ft rule actually applies to the OFFENSE, as the inbounder is allowed to move in a 3ft radius from wherever he receives the ball (there is no "traveling" on an inbounds pass).
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There is no rule on how far a defender has to be, he just can't cross the plane before the ball is released, it's likely Mason did. Only shot I've seen is Mason landing out of bounds after the deflection, which is legal. My beef is with the configuration of AF in this instance, particularly in front of the bench on an inbounds play near half court. As the press releases today indicate, it's something KU is aware of and attempted to exploit, while a visiting team like OU, would probably overlook during shoot around, etc.

The 3ft rule actually applies to the OFFENSE, as the inbounder is allowed to move in a 3ft radius from wherever he receives the ball (there is no "traveling" on an inbounds pass).
couple things. As play mentioned earlier, he was out of bounds and didn't establish himself back inbounds before touching the ball again.

And how can we have a 3 ft radius when mason's arms and hands are in that radius
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couple things. As play mentioned earlier, he was out of bounds and didn't establish himself back inbounds before touching the ball again.
He is back in-bounds by the time he grabs the ball, he grabs it on the "Kansas" & Allen Fieldhouse" court decals which is a good 3-4 ft from the sideline. That's what I've seen from the publicized angles, would love to see more.

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And how can we have a 3 ft radius when mason's arms and hands are in that radius
The rule is that the player can move with the ball on the sideline up to 3ft left, right, back, forward (until the boundary obviously). This goes back to the configuration of AF, as long as Mason is on the court of play, he is legal.
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I am not going to worry about this call. There was no way in that situation a ref was going to make that call. IMO, the roles could have been reversed at the LNC and the ref still keeps his whistle quiet.

If you make just one free throw at the end of regulation we are not even worried about this call. Expect Buddy and Jordan it feels like this team misses some crucial free throws at times, especially the first of a 1-1.
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:33 AM   #14
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I'm not going to worry about it either. We had our chances to win that game and couldn't get the job done.

No one is talking about the clean block in the first half that got Self all riled up. Nor has anyone mentioned a foul that put Khadeem on the line to win the game in regulation with only 2.9 seconds on the clock. It was a good call. But most of you know as I do that officials rarely make that call regardless of the venue, and it's almost never made on the other team's home court.

As a former high school official who has a keen interest in how a game is being called, I have no complaints about the officiating in last night's game. Were there missed calls, or no calls that should have been made? Sure. No game is ever perfect from an officials point of view. But, I for one, applaud last night's crew. I think they did a great job with allowing the "players to play" and decide the game on their own. It was not an easy game to call.
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I am not going to worry about this call. There was no way in that situation a ref was going to make that call. IMO, the roles could have been reversed at the LNC and the ref still keeps his whistle quiet.
It wasn't just that call. Ellis traveled. Lattin didn't. OU received the final 7 whistles. KU was called for just 2 fouls in the final 15 minutes, and 10 fouls for the final 35 minutes. That's almost an entire game.

And as for the inbounds call, Mason acknowledged that the official told him to move back. Mason ignored him. Sorry, but it falls on the official to then make the call, I don't care at what point in the game it is. Every impartial national media person I've seen address it -- and there have been several -- agreed it was a bad non-call.

It was too great a game for one team to have its path to winning cleared by the officials, but that's exactly what happened. It's almost always exactly what happens in Lawrence, and everyone knows it.
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I am not going to worry about this call. There was no way in that situation a ref was going to make that call. IMO, the roles could have been reversed at the LNC and the ref still keeps his whistle quiet.

If you make just one free throw at the end of regulation we are not even worried about this call. Expect Buddy and Jordan it feels like this team misses some crucial free throws at times, especially the first of a 1-1.
A KU fan coming to our board to talk non sense lol. Go back over. Why have rules if you aren't going to enforce them. If KU are suck basketball purest' they should want the call to be made and try and beat OU legally
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I actually looked up the rule. It is Rule 7, Article 9-b. No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his person over the inside plane of the boundary line.

I couldn't find the part about how far off the in-bound play you must be.

The KU player clearly violated this rule multiple times. He actually steps on the out of bounds line so there is no doubt it happened.
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I'm not going to worry about it either. We had our chances to win that game and couldn't get the job done.

No one is talking about the clean block in the first half that got Self all riled up. Nor has anyone mentioned a foul that put Khadeem on the line to win the game in regulation with only 2.9 seconds on the clock. It was a good call. But most of you know as I do that officials rarely make that call regardless of the venue, and it's almost never made on the other team's home court.

As a former high school official who has a keen interest in how a game is being called, I have no complaints about the officiating in last night's game. Were there missed calls, or no calls that should have been made? Sure. No game is ever perfect from an officials point of view. But, I for one, applaud last night's crew. I think they did a great job with allowing the "players to play" and decide the game on their own. It was not an easy game to call.
So Ada, do you honestly feel that OU legitimately fouled 4.5 as many times in OT as KU did?

I can readily admit that there were bad calls both ways, especially in the first half. That strip was clean (though Self deserved the T for his over-the-top behavior). The over-the-back was absolutely the right call, though, and I don't care when it happened. But the shooter (Ellis, I think) was also fouled on the play. I can acknowledge that, no problem.

But in OT, when it mattered most, it wasn't remotely evenhanded. Nine fouls to two, the last seven of them called on OU, and every questionable call -- Ellis' obvious travel, Lattin's questionable one, Mason ignoring the ref's instructions and getting up in Buddy's grill and the official doing nada about it -- went KU's way. No wonder Mason felt he could ignore the official telling him to back off. At PAF, the rules change.
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A KU fan coming to our board to talk non sense lol. Go back over. Why have rules if you aren't going to enforce them. If KU are suck basketball purest' they should want the call to be made and try and beat OU legally
So, anyone who doesn't agree with you is a KU fan? How about me. I don't think that call was a big deal either. Am I a KU fan?

As I pointed out earlier, there were any number of occurrences during that game that could have decided the outcome. Focusing on one, as if that is the end-all to what was in my opinion one of the best college games I ever saw, is not giving our kids the credit they deserve. I couldn't be more proud of the way this team played last night, which is why I have no intentions of letting one call eat at me and destroy what I felt last night and still feel this morning.
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So Ada, do you honestly feel that OU legitimately fouled 4.5 as many times in OT as KU did?

I can readily admit that there were bad calls both ways, especially in the first half. That strip was clean (though Self deserved the T for his over-the-top behavior). The over-the-back was absolutely the right call, though, and I don't care when it happened. But the shooter (Ellis, I think) was also fouled on the play. I can acknowledge that, no problem.

But in OT, when it mattered most, it wasn't remotely evenhanded. Nine fouls to two, the last seven of them called on OU, and every questionable call -- Ellis' obvious travel, Lattin's questionable one, Mason ignoring the ref's instructions and getting up in Buddy's grill and the official doing nada about it -- went KU's way. No wonder Mason felt he could ignore the official telling him to back off. At PAF, the rules change.
Sky, as I said, there were questionable calls and no calls throughout the game, just not nearly as many as we typically see when OU is on the road. I didn't count the number of fouls called during the OT periods. I take your word for it. You have to admit that what we saw in the closing minutes of that game are more the norm throughout most games on the road, especially in Allen Fieldhouse.

But, IMHO, the game was called fairly overall. KU was the victim of a few calls that didn't go their way either. What I'm trying to say, is that I am not going to allow a few questionable calls or no calls to destroy the pride I feel in our players. That's it, nothing more.
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I am not going to worry about this call. There was no way in that situation a ref was going to make that call. IMO, the roles could have been reversed at the LNC and the ref still keeps his whistle quiet.

If you make just one free throw at the end of regulation we are not even worried about this call. Expect Buddy and Jordan it feels like this team misses some crucial free throws at times, especially the first of a 1-1.
I don't think the ref had to necessarily make a "call" that would result in free throws for OU. Just blow the whistle, warn Mason to obey his clear instructions, reset the play, and give OU a legal and fair shot to in bound for a chance at a game winning bucket. I've seen refs do this all the time and it would have been a completely fair solution in the circumstances.

I completely agree that there were things OU could have done to win the game in other ways. But in that crucial instance, the refs let KU get away with whatever the f they wanted like they have time after time after time before. It gets really old.
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Let's keep it real - officiating did not determine the outcome of this game. We had several opportunities to end it, and we couldn't get it done. It's that simple.
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I didn't count the number of fouls called during the OT periods.
I did. KU got 13 free throw attempts in the final OT (7 fouls called). OU got zero.

I don't blame the officials but they made it easier on KU in that final OT than OU and I don't see how anyone can argue with that.
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It wasn't just that call. Ellis traveled.
I thought he did too from my couch, so went back and watched the play again today and noticed something I didn't last night. The ball on the rebound is bouncing around, rolls of Spangler's back/shoulder and Ellis fully possesses it right before he hits the floor on his back. Technically that isn't a travel since he never possessed it initially while standing. Now the common response is "well he slid!", and actually, that doesn't constitute a travel either. A player can slide with the ball until his momentum from the fall/dive stops. So as long as Ellis stays on his back (which he did) then he is fine.

Woodard traveled the possession or two before when he dished to Lattin, but they played on. No one's talking about that.
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I did. KU got 13 free throw attempts in the final OT (7 fouls called). OU got zero.

I don't blame the officials but they made it easier on KU in that final OT than OU and I don't see how anyone can argue with that.
Where did OU and KU take their shots in the final OT? Haven't seen a spray chart but I bet the answer lies there.
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