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Old 07-31-2021, 03:24 PM   #76
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Well, I'm not Frank Layden, but the minutiae of NBA deals often eludes my grasp. The 2-way contract seems to be a new animal. Did it come about after the last round of collective bargaining?

Is Austin Reaves in a better situation today, not being drafted, than say Nate Erdmann, Corey Brewer and Isaiah Cousins, all of whom were drafted and never played a single NBA minute? What are the intricacies of his situation? By being 2-way, what rights are granted now to an undrafted player like Reaves as opposed to the three I mentioned who met the executioner's blade before Training Camp even began?

Your stance is that Reaves has made it. Has he cashed a paycheck?
Will all of this 2-way deal be paid up front? Monthly?
Will he suit up with the Lakers, their G-league affiliate, or both?
Is it like MLB where he is protected by something like a 40-man roster?

What is different about Austin Reaves today than Taylor Griffin, who spent the 2009 season bouncing back and forth from the G-league to the Phoenix Suns. Did Taylor "make" it? Has Austin?

While we're here, and since we have a board filled with front-office NBA beancounters, some other questions that have perplexed me.

What's a mid-level cap exception?
Dead money?
The value of expiring contracts?
Bird rights?

Thank you in advance for the help. In the meantime, I hope Austin Reaves becomes fantastically wealthy, but as long as he's with the Lakers I hope his team's record is toilet bowl city. Go Sonics!
Yes he is in a better situation than the players you mentioned because he is under contract with an NBA team. A guaranteed contract at that. Second round picks do not have guaranteed contracts.
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Old 07-31-2021, 04:24 PM   #77
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Your stance is that Reaves has made it. Has he cashed a paycheck?
Will all of this 2-way deal be paid up front? Monthly?
Will he suit up with the Lakers, their G-league affiliate, or both?
Is it like MLB where he is protected by something like a 40-man roster?

What is different about Austin Reaves today than Taylor Griffin, who spent the 2009 season bouncing back and forth from the G-league to the Phoenix Suns. Did Taylor "make" it? Has Austin?

While we're here, and since we have a board filled with front-office NBA beancounters, some other questions that have perplexed me.

What's a mid-level cap exception?
Dead money?
The value of expiring contracts?
Bird rights?

Thank you in advance for the help. In the meantime, I hope Austin Reaves becomes fantastically wealthy, but as long as he's with the Lakers I hope his team's record is toilet bowl city. Go Sonics!
He is far better off than the players you mentioned because he has a guaranteed deal. He will be paid a minimum of $81,000 ish if he suits up for zero NBA games and only plays in the G League.

If he suits up for 45 days in the NBA, he'll make $450,000. The roster spot and the money is guaranteed with a two-way contract. He has already made the team for the 2021-2022 year.

2nd round picks can play summer league, go to training camp and then get cut -- or signed to a 10-day contract or sent to the G League. But none of that is guaranteed.

Will he make an NBA roster long-term with a traditional NBA contract? Who knows. But he's got a one or two year guaranteed try-out with the LA Lakers that could make him as much as $1 million over two years. Can't ask for much more than that.
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Old 07-31-2021, 06:57 PM   #78
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He already made it.
I don't pretend to understand the nuances of free agent NBA contracts / G-League games. I guess what I meant was whether he plays in actual games for the Lakers. There is no guarantee that happens. Obviously, we're all rooting for him, and I think he is in a great situation to earn some playing time. The rest is up to him!
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Old 07-31-2021, 08:44 PM   #79
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Looks like a good deal for both.
Reaves can earn a decent salary and get experience even if he doesn't get a lot of call-ups and gets to stay in the states
The Lakers get a 2 year window at a low cost price to evaluate him.
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I understand that undrafted rookies who sign a 2-way deal are in a safer situation than a 2nd round pick, but it shouldn’t be that way.
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Two-way contracts are NOT guaranteed. AR or any player on a two-way contract can still be waived, up until like mid-January. At that time, the contract becomes guaranteed for the rest of the year. They can also be traded after 30 days.

Also, as Boulder pointed out, with the rule change for the pandemic last year, the pay is now not a function of how many days you play on the active roster- the pay is flat at $449K per year.

But the good news for AR is he is on a two way with the Lakers, who have probably the biggest two way contract with success in Alex Caruso. I also think Giannis' brother is on a two way deal with the Lakers.

https://2ways10days.com/nba-two-way-...aq-70d1c9cbbe9

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If he suits up for 45 days in the NBA, he'll make $450,000. The roster spot and the money is guaranteed with a two-way contract. He has already made the team for the 2021-2022 year.
it is just a flat 50% of NBA min pay 462k and change ..

and he can play in 50 NBA games but he can be with the team the entire season if they want him to be all practices and games ..
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I understand that undrafted rookies who sign a 2-way deal are in a safer situation than a 2nd round pick, but it shouldnít be that way.
what??
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just a fyi these are the old 2 way rules ... not the current rules ..
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nice first game for Austin

11 points (4-7) 1-2 from 3 only 2-4 from the FF line

6 boards 2 ast 1 st 3 blocks 1 to .. in 27 min ..

the heat started a 7 foot center from turkey .. and he dominated ..

Omer Yurtseven 7 foot 264 ..

27 points 19 boards .. 3 for 7 from 3 ..

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I think the Lakers are a great landing spot for Reaves if he can crack the rotation. Unfortunately they added a lot of 40% 3 pt shooters this offseason, so it will be tough sledding.
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Old 08-04-2021, 09:52 AM   #89
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He played really well, played good defense & got by his guy with ease. Made a great pass that should’ve gave them the lead late. Then made a great move to get himself a good look at the game winner. That was the 1st time I wanted a Laker win since Kobe.
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I think the Lakers are a great landing spot for Reaves if he can crack the rotation. Unfortunately they added a lot of 40% 3 pt shooters this offseason, so it will be tough sledding.
I think AR went to a team that will benefit him too. The negative is if he tears it up in the G League, the Lakers control his rights and his path to the NBA is limited to the Lakers, probably on a part-time at best option, at least for this year. The positive is he gets paid a LOT more on a two-way than if he went as a FA into the G League.

I am not sure who they added that are 40% shooters. They added a lot, but no one on their roster is shooting 40% for their career. Even so, let's be honest, barring multiple injuries- which the odds may be high due to the oldest roster in NBA history- Austin is not cracking the rotation of top 7-9, and probably not getting much PT. Even if it is limited, it is still a good situation.

Finally, here is a great write-up on the Lakers site on last night's game. I know it is probably coaches speak, but a lot of positive comments from Vogel about Austin.

https://www.nba.com/lakers/news/lake...e-summer-debut
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I am not sure who they added that are 40% shooters. They added a lot, but no one on their roster is shooting 40% for their career.
not for the career .. .but last season ..

Bazemore 40.8 on 2.7 shots a game

Carmelo 40.9 on 4.7 shots a game

Ellington 42.2 on 6 shots a game

Monk 40.1 on 5 shots a game

Nunn 38.1 on 5.7 shots a game . .
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not for the career .. .but last season ..

Bazemore 40.8 on 2.7 shots a game

Carmelo 40.9 on 4.7 shots a game

Ellington 42.2 on 6 shots a game

Monk 40.1 on 5 shots a game

Nunn 38.1 on 5.7 shots a game . .
And none of those are shooting 40% for their career, which is what I posted.

For instance, Melo is shooting 35% for his career from three. I don't think one year at 40% makes him infinitely better than what he has been for 16 years. Same with Ellington- which stat is more reliable- the 42% in 46 games, or 38% in 727 games.

Those stats do not mask that the Lakers are not a great shooting, old team with their new roster construction.

Which may benefit Austin.

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And none of those are shooting 40% for their career, which is what I posted.

For instance, Melo is shooting 35% for his career from three. I don't think one year at 40% makes him infinitely better than what he has been for 16 years. Same with Ellington- which stat is more reliable- the 42% in 46 games, or 38% in 727 games.

Those stats do not mask that the Lakers are not a great shooting, old team with their new roster construction.

Which may benefit Austin.
Who cares about their career when talking about next season? All those guys shot very well last year & they are going to get the most wide open shots of their lives with Lebrun, AD, & Westbrook.
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As mentioned, those guys were 40% 3 pt shooters last year. Not career, but there's good evidence to suggest that guys like Ellington have improved as shooters. Bazemore probably was more of a fluke year, but he's also far superior to Reaves defensively. Not to mentioned that Reaves shot below 30% at OU. Some time with Phil Handy will serve Reaves well.
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The Lakers also play again tonight vs Kings.

https://www.nba.com/summer-league/20...mento/schedule
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AR is struggling tonight

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Edit: when I hit reply, he had 3 points. He added 4 more in 1:30 of play to end up with 7.

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AR is struggling tonight

https://www.nba.com/game/lal-vs-sac-...0004/box-score

Edit: when I hit reply, he had 3 points. He added 4 more in 1:30 of play to end up with 7.
I watched the game. He played fine. Had some late shot clock shots and got hammered a couple of times with no foul call. Guys get 10 fouls in summer league so at some point they swallow their whistles to keep the game moving.

Itís obvious the Lakers are giving him a long tryout as a point guard. Defense was better than expected.
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Notice that I didn't put the times on the schedule. Deleted the above post and making this new one.

FWIW, here is the Lakers' schedule for LV summer league

https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2021/vegas/schedule

Sunday, August 8th, 9:30 pm CT vs Suns - ESPN2

Wednesday, August 11th, 9:00 pm CT vs Knicks - ESPN2

Friday, August 13th, 9:00 pm CT vs Clippers

Saturday, August 14th, 9:00 pm CT vs Pistons - ESPN2

After every team plays four games, the two teams with the best records from the first four games will meet in the Championship Game on Aug. 17.
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Old 08-08-2021, 08:04 PM   #100
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ESPN did a write up today on one player to watch on each teamís summer league roster. Raves was the Laker they discussed, and the writer believes he has a very good shot to end up in their rotation this season. Time will tell, but everyone who covers the draft and the league seems to think the Lakers made a very good decision to sign him.
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