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Old 07-21-2021, 03:26 PM   #1
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Default The Big 12 has accepted UCF, Cincy, Houston, and BYU

OU and Texas to SEC is maybe closing on being a done deal.

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Old 07-21-2021, 03:39 PM   #2
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Old 07-21-2021, 03:47 PM   #3
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:00 PM   #4
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I hate supersized conferences with a passion. This would a very depressing development for me. And all those fans (mostly on the football boards) who think it's going to be some kind of magic move that will benefit us greatly I think are seriously kidding themselves. We would be one of several good-to-great programs and we'd be the new kids on the block, with little to no power or influence.

The SEC also is a slimy conference; if we have to dive into the muck and mire to keep up, it'll be embarrassing. We have our share of misdeeds in the past, but we've run pretty darned clean programs in this century and I very much want to see that continue.
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:32 PM   #5
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I hate supersized conferences with a passion. This would a very depressing development for me. And all those fans (mostly on the football boards) who think it's going to be some kind of magic move that will benefit us greatly I think are seriously kidding themselves. We would be one of several good-to-great programs and we'd be the new kids on the block, with little to no power or influence.

The SEC also is a slimy conference; if we have to dive into the muck and mire to keep up, it'll be embarrassing. We have our share of misdeeds in the past, but we've run pretty darned clean programs in this century and I very much want to see that continue.
The current move has been the formation of super conferences so it's just a matter of time for it to occur, in addition to where. The BIG 10 is already splitting at the seams with their "10" so it has to be another conference and that only leaves a couple of choices such as the ACC and PAC. Now no one in their right mind wants to get stuck playing games well into the night or at the crack of dawn so that pretty much eliminates the west coast thing. So, it's likely down to the ACC or SEC.
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The positives for OU basketball is that it's probably a conference that's probably a bit easier than the Big 12. The Big 12 has been pretty solid top to bottom for the last several years really. Where as the SEC's been decent towards the top but has had very little depth so it's a conference that if OU gets good in basketball they can probably compete in.

The money will obviously be good and maybe it'll lead to even even better facilities quicker. We could actually see the LNC replaced in the next few years.

But thinking it'll be better in the long run is madness. Mizzouri and A&M are both way less relevant after their moves. Nebraska is so far from being the national power it was in football just 25 year ago and it'll never come close to going back. The same fate could be the same for OU and Texas in an SEC. They are both way better programs than the other 3 but Texas has gone through a decade of being barely relevant in the Big 12. And Oklahoma went through that in the 90s.
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OU going to SEC without OSU sounds completely fabricated. Can't imagine the state allowing that.
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Old 07-21-2021, 05:17 PM   #8
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As usual, this is about money. One report I read said OU would lose $20 mil when their current sports contract runs out this time next year. Theyíre hoping to make that up by joining the SEC. But, I didnít get the impression itís a done deal by any means.

For one thing, A&M is going to create quite a stir in Texas to keep the Whorns out of the SEC. OSU may hate the Sooners, but no Poke fan in their right mind wants to see us in another conference.

My prediction: Attorneys are already counting the money theyíre going to make when this goes to court.

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I hate supersized conferences with a passion. This would a very depressing development for me. And all those fans (mostly on the football boards) who think it's going to be some kind of magic move that will benefit us greatly I think are seriously kidding themselves. We would be one of several good-to-great programs and we'd be the new kids on the block, with little to no power or influence.

The SEC also is a slimy conference; if we have to dive into the muck and mire to keep up, it'll be embarrassing. We have our share of misdeeds in the past, but we've run pretty darned clean programs in this century and I very much want to see that continue.
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I hate supersized conferences with a passion. This would a very depressing development for me. And all those fans (mostly on the football boards) who think it's going to be some kind of magic move that will benefit us greatly I think are seriously kidding themselves. We would be one of several good-to-great programs and we'd be the new kids on the block, with little to no power or influence.

The SEC also is a slimy conference; if we have to dive into the muck and mire to keep up, it'll be embarrassing. We have our share of misdeeds in the past, but we've run pretty darned clean programs in this century and I very much want to see that continue.
I don't like supersized conference either but this will be very good for OU.

As is, OU would be the favorite over every team in the league outside of bama.

Many recruits we have missed on were set on playing in the SEC

We will easily be a top 5 class every year.

We will lose more, but with the expanded playoff, we will be in the playoff every year as well
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I was a huge fan of the big8. Many wonderful memories of both football and basketball in that conference. The original Big12 was a great conference but it was the beginning of killing many great traditions and rivalries. It eroded our rivalry with Nebraska and much of our Big12 north rivals. When Nebraska and aTm left, the conference was doomed. Replacing them with TCU and wvu wasnít enough.

Now, with all of the changes, NIL, economic effects of COVID, etc. it has become necessary for OU to find a better solution. Joining the SEC with texas is the best possible outcome of the remaining choices. Iím nostalgic about what was, but the reality is, thatís gone. This is about OU being in the best position for success and itís the right move.

In the coming years, we should be able to upgrade or build a new arena for basketball, upgrade or build new baseball/softball facilities, as well as continue to upgrade the football stuff. This will also position OU to hire the best coaches and recruit the best players without having to overcome unnecessary obstacles that have been in the way in the past.

Overall, itís the best possible outcome for OU today and for the future. I will never chant SEC! Tho. It will always be Boomer Sooner!
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Damn straight! Bring it on....would love to go to the SEC. And btw, I think this would prove beneficial to our basketball program as well.
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Old 07-22-2021, 02:51 AM   #13
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I have no idea which Big XII schools are the highest ranked academically (guessing Texas is #1), but the Big 10 conference has higher academic standards than the other conferences. Because of that, I'm not sure which Big XII schools would measure up...but guessing the majority won't.
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I have no idea which Big XII schools are the highest ranked academically (guessing Texas is #1), but the Big 10 conference has higher academic standards than the other conferences. Because of that, I'm not sure which Big XII schools would measure up...but guessing the majority won't.
Kansas is an AAU school which is big for the Big 10. And I'm sure if the SEC thing falls through the Big 10 would take OU. I don't see the SEC thing falling through at this point though.

ACC will want to pick up some teams to get to 16. I think with the NIL money ND has to join a conference now at this point and I'm sure ACC or Big 10 would offer enough to get them to 16.

The PAC would be smart to add some Texas schools like Houston, Tech or Baylor.

Iowa State fits regionally in the Big 10 but I'm not sure the Big 10 would take them. Of course it depends on what goes on with Notre Dame.

I think we will either see Mountain West/AAC/Conference USA for the rest of the old Big 12 teams
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Kansas is an AAU school which is big for the Big 10. And I'm sure if the SEC thing falls through the Big 10 would take OU. I don't see the SEC thing falling through at this point though.

ACC will want to pick up some teams to get to 16. I think with the NIL money ND has to join a conference now at this point and I'm sure ACC or Big 10 would offer enough to get them to 16.

The PAC would be smart to add some Texas schools like Houston, Tech or Baylor.

Iowa State fits regionally in the Big 10 but I'm not sure the Big 10 would take them. Of course it depends on what goes on with Notre Dame.

I think we will either see Mountain West/AAC/Conference USA for the rest of the old Big 12 teams
ND is in the ACC for all sports but football .. .and with the new 12 team playoff coming they have 0 reason to join a conf ..
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If OU & Texas leave itís no longer a P5 conference. They could run the table & still wonít be ranked top 4. They will also lose talented recruits because it wonít be a P5 conference anymore.



Also if the SEC turns into a super conference then the others will follow suit. About 3 more teams will get plucked away.


Baylor is the defending National Champion. Taking OU and Texas out they could still have 4 teams in the Top 25.


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My post was a response in regards to football. I know this is a basketball board, but this whole possible realignment is because of football.

If the conference wanted to be a basketball conference, & bring in 2 basketball schools, they could easily do so. That won’t happen because football brings in the money, so therefore more schools would leave the conference.
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The problem is money. The 8 programs would go from about 30 million a year each to around 15 million a year. That's just not sustainable. Maybe they could make slightly more if they got some streaming site like Amazon to broadcast games but it's still going to be well short of what they were making. And the way these programs budget it won't be sustainable. Also if KU and ISU get an invite to the Big 10 they stand to make more than they were making in the Big 12 around 50 million. ACC is making more than Big 12 teams are too so WVU if they get an invite they would say yes. Honestly for OSU ACC is better than the PAC.


The DMN suggested this morning that they add Gonzaga and BYU and become a basketball super conference. I honestly believe that the NIL is more of a threat to the OSUs of the world than realignment. The Bamas, OUs, Texas and Ohio States of the world will separate now more than ever because of NIL.


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The DMN suggested this morning that they add Gonzaga and BYU and become a basketball super conference. I honestly believe that the NIL is more of a threat to the OSUs of the world than realignment. The Bamas, OUs, Texas and Ohio States of the world will separate now more than ever because of NIL.
If they want to be a basketball super-conference, they would also have to poach about 6 teams from the AAC and Big East including Villanova and Houston. Swapping out OU/UT for Gonzaga/BYU ain't gonna get it done.
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If they want to be a basketball super-conference, they would also have to poach about 6 teams from the AAC and Big East including Villanova and Houston. Swapping out OU/UT for Gonzaga/BYU ain't gonna get it done.
Nah.... They could be a really good basketball league by adding Gonzaga, BYU, Memphis, Creighton... Getting back up to 12 teams.

I still like UCF, San Diego State, UNLV, and Cincy... Good potential in football and basketball. P5 football facilities. Excellent recruiting areas. Would be even better if they could get Nebraska and BYU and get a 14 team league going.

Big 12 (Something Division)
Kansas
Kansas State
UNLV (playing a world class football stadium)
Nebraska
BYU
Iowa State
San Diego State (has a brand new football stadium being constructed for next year)

Big 12 (The Other Division)
West Virginia
Central Florida
Cincy
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State

There's your conference right there.... Any given football season and WVU, UCF, Tech, OSU, Baylor, Nebraska, SDSU are top 25 teams. You can't not be a P5 league when half your league is usually in the Top 25.

And it's a killer basketball league too.
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Nah.... They could be a really good basketball league by adding Gonzaga, BYU, Memphis, Creighton... Getting back up to 12 teams.

I still like UCF, San Diego State, UNLV, and Cincy... Good potential in football and basketball. P5 football facilities. Excellent recruiting areas. Would be even better if they could get Nebraska and BYU and get a 14 team league going.

Big 12 (Something Division)
Kansas
Kansas State
UNLV (playing a world class football stadium)
Nebraska
BYU
Iowa State
San Diego State (has a brand new football stadium being constructed for next year)

Big 12 (The Other Division)
West Virginia
Central Florida
Cincy
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State

There's your conference right there.... Any given football season and WVU, UCF, Tech, OSU, Baylor, Nebraska, SDSU are top 25 teams. You can't not be a P5 league when half your league is usually in the Top 25.

And it's a killer basketball league too.
This is a joke, right? Any given year? When was the last time Nebraska, Tech, and SD State were top 25 in the same year? This isnít close to a P5.
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This is a joke, right? Any given year? When was the last time Nebraska, Tech, and SD State were top 25 in the same year? This isnít close to a P5.
On any given year at least 6 of those teams are top 25
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Nah.... They could be a really good basketball league by adding Gonzaga, BYU, Memphis, Creighton... Getting back up to 12 teams.

I still like UCF, San Diego State, UNLV, and Cincy... Good potential in football and basketball. P5 football facilities. Excellent recruiting areas. Would be even better if they could get Nebraska and BYU and get a 14 team league going.

Big 12 (Something Division)
Kansas
Kansas State
UNLV (playing a world class football stadium)
Nebraska
BYU
Iowa State
San Diego State (has a brand new football stadium being constructed for next year)

Big 12 (The Other Division)
West Virginia
Central Florida
Cincy
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State

There's your conference right there.... Any given football season and WVU, UCF, Tech, OSU, Baylor, Nebraska, SDSU are top 25 teams. You can't not be a P5 league when half your league is usually in the Top 25.

And it's a killer basketball league too.
Since 1996 UCF has finished in the top 25 on 5 occasions. The last time Nebraska finished the season rated was 2012. SDSU finished in the top 25 two times since 1969.
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Since 1996 UCF has finished in the top 25 on 5 occasions. The last time Nebraska finished the season rated was 2012. SDSU finished in the top 25 two times since 1969.
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Nah.... They could be a really good basketball league by adding Gonzaga, BYU, Memphis, Creighton... Getting back up to 12 teams.

I still like UCF, San Diego State, UNLV, and Cincy... Good potential in football and basketball. P5 football facilities. Excellent recruiting areas. Would be even better if they could get Nebraska and BYU and get a 14 team league going.

Big 12 (Something Division)
Kansas
Kansas State
UNLV (playing a world class football stadium)
Nebraska
BYU
Iowa State
San Diego State (has a brand new football stadium being constructed for next year)

Big 12 (The Other Division)
West Virginia
Central Florida
Cincy
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State

There's your conference right there.... Any given football season and WVU, UCF, Tech, OSU, Baylor, Nebraska, SDSU are top 25 teams. You can't not be a P5 league when half your league is usually in the Top 25.

And it's a killer basketball league too.
I'm not even sure that's as good as the SEC in basketball, and it certainly isn't as good as the BEast in its glory days. Also...even the BEast dismantled, so I'm not sure why this would hold together.

There is zero chance that conference poaches Nebraska (not that they add anything in basketball anyway).

This new conference would have to take Houston. If ACC or Pac-12 poaches Houston (along with the SEC departure of UT, OU, and A&M), the state of Texas no longer cares about the Big XII. The Big XII conference does not exist without the state of Texas' support.

Basketball super-conference only works if you poach a few big name programs like Villanova and Gonzaga and push the conference member number to 14-16. Of course, sharing profits with 15 other programs without the support of strong football would be a nightmare.
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