Season Plus / Minus Final - Page 2

SoonerBounce13 · 01-12-2022, 01:29 PM

Duke, your ex player....woof

BoulderSooner · 01-18-2022, 08:23 AM

Full season +/-
post TCU

Jalen Hill --------- +188
Tanner Groves --- +182
Umoja Gibson --- +166
Jordan Goldwire - +162
Elijah Harkless --- +142
Bijan Cortes ------ +39
Ethan Chargois -- +33
Jacob Groves ---- +14
CJ Noland -------- +9
Marvin Johnson --- -6
Alston Mason ----- -14
Akol Mawein ------ -15
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +21
Tanner Groves --- +9
Bijan Cortes ------ +1
Jalen Hill ---------- -2
Akol Mawein ------ -2
Alston Mason ----- -3
Marvin Johnson --- -4
Jacob Groves ----- -4
Elijah Harkless ---- -7
Ethan Chargois --- -7
Rick Issanza ------ -12
Jordan Goldwire -- -17
CJ Noland --------- -21

BoulderSooner · 01-19-2022, 10:10 AM

Full season +/-
post KU

Jalen Hill --------- +180
Tanner Groves --- +176
Jordan Goldwire - +170
Umoja Gibson --- +166
Elijah Harkless --- +121
Bijan Cortes ------ +38
Ethan Chargois -- +33
Jacob Groves ---- +22
CJ Noland -------- +11
Marvin Johnson --- -6
Alston Mason ----- -14
Akol Mawein ------ -12
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +21
Jacob Groves ----- +4
Tanner Groves --- +3
Akol Mawein ------ +1
Bijan Cortes ------- 0
Alston Mason ----- -3
Marvin Johnson --- -4
Ethan Chargois ---- -7
Jordan Goldwire --- -9
Jalen Hill --------- -10
Rick Issanza ------ -12
CJ Noland -------- -19
Elijah Harkless --- -28

brutal game for Harkless -21

BoulderSooner · 01-24-2022, 03:38 PM

getting ready to do this update ... and warning it is not going to be pretty ..

BoulderSooner · 01-24-2022, 03:42 PM

Full season +/-
post Baylor

Jalen Hill --------- +163
Tanner Groves --- +157
Jordan Goldwire - +156
Umoja Gibson --- +153
Elijah Harkless --- +99
Bijan Cortes ------ +41
Ethan Chargois -- +33
Jacob Groves ---- +22
CJ Noland -------- +11
Marvin Johnson --- -1
Alston Mason ----- -13
Akol Mawein ------ -6
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +8
Akol Mawein ----- +7
Jacob Groves ---- +4
Bijan Cortes ------ +3
Marvin Johnson -- +1
Alston Mason ----- -2
Ethan Chargois --- -7
Rick Issanza ----- -12
Tanner Groves --- -16
CJ Noland -------- -19
Jordan Goldwire -- -23
Jalen Hill ---------- -27
Elijah Harkless --- -50

Stikboy · 01-24-2022, 04:12 PM

Dang! Harkless in Big 12 Conference play. Yeesh!

BoulderSooner · 01-27-2022, 08:26 AM

Full season +/-
post WVU

Tanner Groves --- +166
Jalen Hill --------- +164
Jordan Goldwire - +159
Umoja Gibson --- +161
Elijah Harkless --- +101
Bijan Cortes ------ +48
Ethan Chargois -- +33
Jacob Groves ---- +30
CJ Noland -------- +17
Marvin Johnson --- +6
Akol Mawein ------ -7
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +16
Akol Mawein ----- +6
Jacob Groves ---- +12
Bijan Cortes ----- +10
Marvin Johnson -- +8
Alston Mason ----- -2
Tanner Groves ---- -7
Ethan Chargois --- -7
Rick Issanza ----- -12
CJ Noland -------- -13
Jordan Goldwire -- -20
Jalen Hill ---------- -26
Elijah Harkless --- -48

BoulderSooner · 01-31-2022, 10:17 AM

Full season +/-
post Auburn

Tanner Groves --- +160
Jalen Hill --------- +160
Umoja Gibson --- +148
Jordan Goldwire - +142
Elijah Harkless --- +97
Bijan Cortes ------ +45
Ethan Chargois -- +21
Jacob Groves ---- +11
Marvin Johnson --- +8
CJ Noland --------- +3
Akol Mawein ------ -7
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +16
Akol Mawein ----- +6
Jacob Groves ---- +12
Bijan Cortes ----- +10
Marvin Johnson -- +8
Alston Mason ----- -2
Tanner Groves ---- -7
Ethan Chargois --- -7
Rick Issanza ----- -12
CJ Noland -------- -13
Jordan Goldwire -- -20
Jalen Hill ---------- -26
Elijah Harkless --- -48

BoulderSooner · 02-07-2022, 11:43 AM

Full season +/-
post TCU

Tanner Groves --- +154
Jalen Hill --------- +152
Umoja Gibson --- +138
Jordan Goldwire - +137
Elijah Harkless --- +94
Bijan Cortes ------ +44
Ethan Chargois -- +18
Jacob Groves ----- -2
Marvin Johnson --- +8
CJ Noland --------- +6
Akol Mawein ------ -7
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Bijan Cortes ----- +9
Marvin Johnson -- +8
Umoja Gibson --- +6
Akol Mawein ----- +6
Jacob Groves ---- -1
Alston Mason ----- -2
CJ Noland -------- -10
Ethan Chargois -- -10
Rick Issanza ----- -12
Tanner Groves --- -13
Jordan Goldwire -- -25
Jalen Hill ---------- -34
Elijah Harkless --- -50

BoulderSooner · 02-07-2022, 12:00 PM

Full season +/-
post osu

Tanner Groves --- +155
Jalen Hill --------- +153
Jordan Goldwire - +137
Umoja Gibson --- +134
Elijah Harkless --- +84
Bijan Cortes ------ +32
Ethan Chargois --- +9
Marvin Johnson --- +8
Jacob Groves ----- -6
CJ Noland --------- -2
Akol Mawein ------ -7
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Marvin Johnson -- +8
Akol Mawein ----- +6
Umoja Gibson --- +2
Bijan Cortes ------ -3
Jacob Groves ----- -5
Alston Mason ----- -2
Tanner Groves --- -12
Rick Issanza ----- -12
CJ Noland -------- -18
Ethan Chargois -- -18
Jordan Goldwire -- -25
Jalen Hill ---------- -33
Elijah Harkless --- -60

AdaSooner · 02-07-2022, 12:15 PM

I have never been a fan of this numbers system and my understanding is limited to say the least. But, if it’s even close to a legitimate measurement of a player’s performance, Harkless may need to be a permanent fixture on the bench!

Am I right, or can one of you EJ supporters make an argument in his favor? At first glance he played well in Stillwater where he had 15 points, 6 rebounds and 5 steals. Unfortunately, he cancelled a sizable portion of that performance with 8 turnovers. Are we at a point where he could be hurting the team more than he is helping?

Sooner04 · 02-07-2022, 02:25 PM

Game to game it can be fluky, but +/- will paint the picture if you give it sufficient parameters. Harkless has been bad, there's no way around that. Eight turnovers is inexcusable. It's no coincidence that our big road win in Morgantown came in a game where he only played four minutes.

WichitaSooner · 02-08-2022, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooner04

Game to game it can be fluky, but +/- will paint the picture if you give it sufficient parameters. Harkless has been bad, there's no way around that. Eight turnovers is inexcusable. It's no coincidence that our big road win in Morgantown came in a game where he only played four minutes.

Couldn’t agree more. Really wish Moser would have stuck with bringing him off the bench. It almost hurts us that he played well against TCU last week because I think that game is what got him back in the starting lineup. And the eight turnovers … I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that from a non-point guard.

MJSooner · 02-08-2022, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoulderSooner

Full season +/-
post osu

Tanner Groves --- +155
Jalen Hill --------- +153
Jordan Goldwire - +137
Umoja Gibson --- +134
Elijah Harkless --- +84
Bijan Cortes ------ +32
Ethan Chargois --- +9
Marvin Johnson --- +8
Jacob Groves ----- -6
CJ Noland --------- -2
Akol Mawein ------ -7
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Marvin Johnson -- +8
Akol Mawein ----- +6
Umoja Gibson --- +2
Bijan Cortes ------ -3
Jacob Groves ----- -5
Alston Mason ----- -2
Tanner Groves --- -12
Rick Issanza ----- -12
CJ Noland -------- -18
Ethan Chargois -- -18
Jordan Goldwire -- -25
Jalen Hill ---------- -33
Elijah Harkless --- -60

When only one starter is a positive +/-, and 3 of the 5 starters are the worst on the team, it is easy to see why we have lost 7 of 8.

And to make matters worse, 3 of the worst 4 +/- in conference are 4th and 5th year players.

TheMont · 02-08-2022, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WichitaSooner

Couldn’t agree more. Really wish Moser would have stuck with bringing him off the bench. It almost hurts us that he played well against TCU last week because I think that game is what got him back in the starting lineup. And the eight turnovers … I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that from a non-point guard.

I distinctly remember Buddy had a 10-turnover game in Stillwater. But his +/- was significantly higher than Elijah’s to say the least.

WichitaSooner · 02-08-2022, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMont

I distinctly remember Buddy had a 10-turnover game in Stillwater. But his +/- was significantly higher than Elijah’s to say the least.

Good memory … I’m disappointed in myself for forgetting that! I definitely cut Buddy more slack than Harkless given the rest of their respective games lol.

Sooner04 · 02-09-2022, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMont

I distinctly remember Buddy had a 10-turnover game in Stillwater. But his +/- was significantly higher than Elijah’s to say the least.

I was at that game. We won. The Aggies threw up a prayer at the horn that banked off the glass and took a LONG look at the bottom of the net before rattling out. Would've been an all-time gag by the good guys had it gone in.

There's no real need to sugar coat things. We're just not very good. We're nowhere near potent enough on offense to offset our blatant disregard for protecting the basketball. Throw in bad rebounding and we don't have much of a chance.

BoulderSooner · 02-10-2022, 09:43 AM

Full season +/-
post Tech

Jalen Hill --------- +172
Tanner Groves --- +161
Jordan Goldwire - +159
Umoja Gibson --- +147
Elijah Harkless --- +100
Bijan Cortes ------ +32
Ethan Chargois --- +18
Marvin Johnson --- +8
Jacob Groves ------ -3
Akol Mawein ------- -7
CJ Noland ---------- -9
Alston Mason ----- -19
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +15
Marvin Johnson -- +8
Akol Mawein ----- +6
Jacob Groves ----- -2
Jordan Goldwire -- -3
Bijan Cortes ------ -3
Tanner Groves ---- -6
Alston Mason ----- -8
Ethan Chargois --- -9
Rick Issanza ----- -12
Jalen Hill --------- -14
CJ Noland -------- -25
Elijah Harkless --- -44

BoulderSooner · 02-13-2022, 10:58 AM

Full season +/-
post KU

Jalen Hill --------- +179
Tanner Groves --- +161
Jordan Goldwire - +162
Umoja Gibson --- +151
Elijah Harkless --- +98
Bijan Cortes ------ +32
Ethan Chargois --- +14
Marvin Johnson --- +8
Akol Mawein ------- -5
Alston Mason ----- -11
Jacob Groves ----- -17
CJ Noland --------- -17
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +19
Marvin Johnson -- +8
Akol Mawein ----- +8
Jordan Goldwire --- 0
Alston Mason ------ 0
Bijan Cortes ------ -3
Tanner Groves ---- -6
Jalen Hill ---------- -7
Rick Issanza ----- -12
Ethan Chargois -- -13
Jacob Groves ---- -16
CJ Noland -------- -33
Elijah Harkless --- -52

BoulderSooner · 02-16-2022, 08:48 AM

Full season +/-
post texas

Jalen Hill --------- +180
Jordan Goldwire - +163
Tanner Groves --- +157
Umoja Gibson --- +148
Elijah Harkless -- +101
Bijan Cortes ------ +27
Ethan Chargois --- +16
Marvin Johnson --- +8
Akol Mawein ------- -4
Alston Mason ----- -14
CJ Noland --------- -17
Jacob Groves ----- -20
Rick Issanza ------ -28

Conference only +/-

Umoja Gibson --- +16
Marvin Johnson -- +8
Akol Mawein ----- +9
Jordan Goldwire - +1
Alston Mason ---- -3
Bijan Cortes ------ -8
Jalen Hill ---------- -6
Tanner Groves --- -10
Ethan Chargois -- -11
Rick Issanza ----- -12
Jacob Groves ---- -19
CJ Noland -------- -33
Elijah Harkless --- -49

BoulderSooner · 02-26-2022, 04:04 PM

Full season +/-
post isu

Jalen Hill --------- +159
Tanner Groves --- +150
Jordan Goldwire - +140
Umoja Gibson --- +132
Elijah Harkless -- +101
Bijan Cortes ------ +26
Marvin Johnson --- +8
Ethan Chargois --- +7
Akol Mawein ------- -5
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -28
CJ Noland --------- -31
Jacob Groves ----- -34

Conference only +/-

Marvin Johnson -- +8
Akol Mawein ----- +8
Umoja Gibson ---- 0
Alston Mason ---- -2
Bijan Cortes ------ -9
Rick Issanza ----- -12
Tanner Groves --- -17
Ethan Chargois -- -20
Jordan Goldwire - -22
Jalen Hill --------- -27
Jacob Groves ---- -33
CJ Noland -------- -47
Elijah Harkless --- -49

worst game of the year for hill -21

BoulderSooner · 02-26-2022, 04:09 PM

Full season +/-
post tech

Jalen Hill --------- +156
Tanner Groves --- +124
Jordan Goldwire - +114
Umoja Gibson --- +106
Elijah Harkless -- +101
Bijan Cortes ------ +20
Marvin Johnson --- +7
Akol Mawein ------- +3
Ethan Chargois --- -12
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -27
CJ Noland --------- -33
Jacob Groves ----- -54

Conference only +/-

Akol Mawein ----- +16
Marvin Johnson -- +7
Alston Mason ----- -2
Rick Issanza ----- -11
Bijan Cortes ----- -15
Umoja Gibson ---- -26
Jalen Hill --------- -30
Ethan Chargois -- -39
Tanner Groves --- -43
Jordan Goldwire - -48
CJ Noland -------- -49
Elijah Harkless --- -49
Jacob Groves ----- -53

BoulderSooner · 02-26-2022, 04:13 PM

Full season +/-
post osu

Jalen Hill --------- +169
Tanner Groves --- +127
Jordan Goldwire - +117
Umoja Gibson --- +110
Elijah Harkless -- +101
Bijan Cortes ------ +21
Marvin Johnson --- +3
Akol Mawein ------- +3
Ethan Chargois --- -11
Alston Mason ----- -13
Rick Issanza ------ -27
CJ Noland --------- -33
Jacob Groves ----- -55

Conference only +/-

Akol Mawein ----- +16
Marvin Johnson -- +3
Alston Mason ----- -2
Rick Issanza ----- -11
Bijan Cortes ----- -14
Jalen Hill --------- -17
Umoja Gibson ---- -22
Ethan Chargois -- -38
Tanner Groves --- -40
Jordan Goldwire - -45
CJ Noland -------- -49
Elijah Harkless --- -49
Jacob Groves ----- -54

BoulderSooner · 03-02-2022, 09:11 AM

Full season +/-
post WVU

Jalen Hill --------- +190
Tanner Groves --- +135
Jordan Goldwire - +116
Umoja Gibson --- +113
Elijah Harkless -- +101
Bijan Cortes ------ +33
Akol Mawein ------- +3
Marvin Johnson ---- -8
Ethan Chargois ---- -8
Alston Mason ----- -13
CJ Noland --------- -21
Rick Issanza ------ -27
Jacob Groves ----- -37

Conference only +/-

Akol Mawein ----- +16
Jalen Hill ---------- +4
Bijan Cortes ------ -2
Alston Mason ----- -2
Marvin Johnson --- -8
Rick Issanza ----- -11
Umoja Gibson ---- -19
Tanner Groves --- -32
Ethan Chargois -- -35
CJ Noland -------- -37
Jacob Groves ---- -36
Jordan Goldwire - -46
Elijah Harkless --- -49

BoulderSooner · 03-07-2022, 07:42 AM

Full season +/-
post Kstate

Jalen Hill --------- +196
Tanner Groves --- +146
Jordan Goldwire - +124
Umoja Gibson --- +119
Elijah Harkless -- +101
Bijan Cortes ------ +33
Akol Mawein ------- +3
Marvin Johnson ---- -1
Ethan Chargois --- -12
Alston Mason ----- -13
CJ Noland --------- -21
Rick Issanza ------ -27
Jacob Groves ----- -36

Conference only +/-

Akol Mawein ----- +16
Jalen Hill --------- +10
Marvin Johnson --- -1
Bijan Cortes ------ -2
Alston Mason ----- -2
Rick Issanza ----- -11
Umoja Gibson --- -13
Tanner Groves --- -21
Jacob Groves ---- -35
CJ Noland -------- -37
Jordan Goldwire - -38
Ethan Chargois -- -39
Elijah Harkless --- -49