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Old 06-08-2016, 03:44 PM   #26
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:00 PM   #27
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I know I have referenced this before but feel I've never really gotten an exact answer or really if there are facts behind this question? But please someone tell me why OU does not have camps? Why in this every changing world of social media communication do they not use it? Or why do you keep seeing Stoops in the stands at the women's World Series but not Sherri Coale? Not sure if she was even able to attend? Just good PR for OU!
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:39 PM   #28
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I know I have referenced this before but feel I've never really gotten an exact answer or really if there are facts behind this question? But please someone tell me why OU does not have camps? Why in this every changing world of social media communication do they not use it? Or why do you keep seeing Stoops in the stands at the women's World Series but not Sherri Coale? Not sure if she was even able to attend? Just good PR for OU!
As far as the world series goes, Sherri was there Monday, in Tulsa for the Caravan Tuesday, and at the game tonight.

As far as camps go, there has been so much speculation on the "truth", that I have no idea. The answer from Guy Austin was a liability issue, some have said that since Sherri travels to AAU tournaments during the summer, she doesn't do them any more. I have no idea what so ever why the camps were closed, but from my most humble opinion, I think it is a good way to evaluate kids fundamentals, feel for the game, and more importantly a great recruiting tool to get the kids on campus and in the gym. For what it's worth.
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:51 PM   #29
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Thanks Roc I would of thought of Coach Coale were in town she would of been supporting. She is a huge advocate for OU even if her team isn't winning a Natty! Just would of been nice to get a shot instead of just Stoops. If liability is the reason then something must of happened to pressure that situation because everyone in the country does camps other than UConn - I know you didn't claim to know the exact reason but AAU viewing periods are April July and Sept. So June is a non factor. I know this year she is getting in WHOF but p.r is just huge most Evals don't happen at camps coaches know who they want before they get there they get put on all star teams really get the "treatment" but having someone just show up to camp that no one knows and can play at that level is needle in haystack. It truly comes down to connections kids wanting to play with certain kids camps are huge for that connection
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:56 PM   #30
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Thanks Roc I would of thought of Coach Coale were in town she would of been supporting. She is a huge advocate for OU even if her team isn't winning a Natty! Just would of been nice to get a shot instead of just Stoops. If liability is the reason then something must of happened to pressure that situation because everyone in the country does camps other than UConn - I know you didn't claim to know the exact reason but AAU viewing periods are April July and Sept. So June is a non factor. I know this year she is getting in WHOF but p.r is just huge most Evals don't happen at camps coaches know who they want before they get there they get put on all star teams really get the "treatment" but having someone just show up to camp that no one knows and can play at that level is needle in haystack. It truly comes down to connections kids wanting to play with certain kids camps are huge for that connection
Good Post. It is true about evaluations, but it still gives the coaches the opportunity to possibly find that rare gem that can slip through. You are absolutely right about it coming down to kid connections, if you are doing good solid due diligence.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:24 AM   #31
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Every HS coach that I have talked to said that there is no camps due to the hassle and costs of doing background checks on every single adult that is coaching, and just working the camp in some sort. Due to that, the overall costs of camps at D1 schools has been jacked way up to where not as many HS teams and kids can go now. I just looked up and it costs $300-$350 to go to OSU's elite camp.

I believe that what Hoopdreams said above is exactly right. Some of us are making a huge deal out of not having camps. The evaluation periods in April, July, & Sept. are way more important than camps.
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Old 06-09-2016, 11:50 AM   #32
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Every HS coach that I have talked to said that there is no camps due to the hassle and costs of doing background checks on every single adult that is coaching, and just working the camp in some sort. Due to that, the overall costs of camps at D1 schools has been jacked way up to where not as many HS teams and kids can go now. I just looked up and it costs $300-$350 to go to OSU's elite camp.

I believe that what Hoopdreams said above is exactly right. Some of us are making a huge deal out of not having camps. The evaluation periods in April, July, & Sept. are way more important than camps.
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Old 06-09-2016, 03:13 PM   #33
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Until we bring in moreAthletes, we will continue to struggle and be mediocre. I could care less about the ranking. Just bring in the athletes and run with them. You cannot take a program very far without athletes.
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Old 06-09-2016, 04:53 PM   #34
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BTW, some facts for those thinking that there's not a recruiting problem.
OU's last women's hoops verbal was in October of 2014.

Any recruiting momentum from the early commitments of Dungee/LLanusa/Mulkey = gone.
With those early verbals 2 to 3 years before signing you'd think the staff would have loads
of time to recruit other impact players for upcoming classes.
But, 2017 class?? Still just LLanusa. Right now that's a massive recruiting failure.
You don't want to know the verbals for UT and Baylor in the same time period.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:47 PM   #35
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Not in Westbrooks top 9. Tentative top 5 for Sedona Prince UCONN, ND, Texas, SMU, and Oregon St. One player Raoul_000 had on twitter was Chantel Horvat 6-1 W considering OU and Micaela Wilson 6-2 W.

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Old 06-09-2016, 10:38 PM   #36
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Every HS coach that I have talked to said that there is no camps due to the hassle and costs of doing background checks on every single adult that is coaching, and just working the camp in some sort. Due to that, the overall costs of camps at D1 schools has been jacked way up to where not as many HS teams and kids can go now. I just looked up and it costs $300-$350 to go to OSU's elite camp.

I believe that what Hoopdreams said above is exactly right. Some of us are making a huge deal out of not having camps. The evaluation periods in April, July, & Sept. are way more important than camps.

$350 is not a lot for a team..... It is about $25 a kid, and I know for Baylor its $75 a kid. Camps are a great way to get these kids on campus. That's just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:57 AM   #37
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BTW, some facts for those thinking that there's not a recruiting problem.
OU's last women's hoops verbal was in October of 2014.

Any recruiting momentum from the early commitments of Dungee/LLanusa/Mulkey = gone.
With those early verbals 2 to 3 years before signing you'd think the staff would have loads
of time to recruit other impact players for upcoming classes.
But, 2017 class?? Still just LLanusa. Right now that's a massive recruiting failure.
You don't want to know the verbals for UT and Baylor in the same time period.
Difficult to know what OU's recruiting effort is as everything is kept on the extreme QT. I have inside access and I always know virtually nothing in advance. One thing is for certain recruits are not very interested in playing for Sherri. Not so for Kim Mulkey and Karen Aston where multiple top players are attempting to get the limited offers they have available. It does not paint a pretty picture going forward.

Another thing worth noting is the argument that you cannot recruit top talent to Norman, OK is bunk. Patty proves time and time again that top national talent will come to Norman, OK even to play in the less than ideal softball weather conditions Oklahoma provides in February and March. It is also for certain that Marita Hynes is not a top ten facility commensurate with the team Patty is putting on the field. But the top talent in the country continues to show up at OU. I wonder why? Should also be noted that Patty is every bit as religious as Sherri, if not moreso.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:20 AM   #38
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20 months with no verbals is troubling. Very troubling. There's quiet recruiting and then there's that.
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:01 AM   #39
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20 months with no verbals is troubling. Very troubling. There's quiet recruiting and then there's that.
I definitely agree that from the fans perspective there are reasons to be concerned. However Sherri has earned the right to work herself out of the present circumstances if done so in a reasonable amount of time. The question becomes what is a reasonable timetable. It will be difficult to get a consensus on the timing.
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:41 AM   #40
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Spock,
It's not like 2017 is a one player or two player class.
5 seniors (4 depending upon Manning's status).
1 verbal from 2 years ago.
Still no summer camps. No word on official visits. 4 months from signing day, and the roster needs a massive infusion of talent.
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Old 06-10-2016, 11:58 AM   #41
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It's not like 2017 is a one player or two player class.
5 seniors (4 depending upon Manning's status).
1 verbal from 2 years ago.
Still no summer camps. No word on official visits. 4 months from signing day, and the roster needs a massive infusion of talent.
No one disputes the fact as presented above. I think that terminating Sherri or giving her a ultimatum at this time is premature. But improvements on the court needs to me made and soon. What is solution?

You list concerns but provide no answers. To do so is idle chit-chat.
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Old 06-10-2016, 01:00 PM   #42
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Spock,
Agreed.
I think Sherri needs to recommit to recruiting like Bob did.
And she needs to make some staff changes.
She needs a massive overhaul of how she uses Social Media to promote the
OU brand.
And she needs to start "marketing" her recruiting better with the sites that cover OU
sports.
She needs to repair relationships with the AAU coaches in Texas/Dallas area.

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Old 06-10-2016, 02:03 PM   #43
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And she needs to stop telling people she hates recruiting.

hahahaha We are all just frustrated... we just need a little bone thrown our way so we know the program is alive!!
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:29 PM   #44
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“There hasn’t been a better coaching ever done in America to turn a program around than what Sherri did at OU,” Sharp said. “She brought special passion and energy to the program. Just a few years before they almost canceled the program and the way she rebuilt the program amazing. Now it’s one of the most respected programs in the country and her vision and passion for the game has not only done great things for women’s basketball and but as well as the University of Oklahoma
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“Sherri epitomizes class, expertise and ability that one should strive for,” Conradt stated. “She probably has one of the most unique journeys with University of Oklahoma. I don’t think anyone has ever stepped into that situation before and succeeded the way she has. She was the right person at the right time. The success she’s had, you have to amplify it with how she has built the program.”
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None of you has the slightest idea of what Sherri is doing or how difficult it is to recruit to OU. Her peers respect the job that she has done. The message board "gurus" think they have better answers. You don't even know the right questions.

Please. Stop the discussion of political correctness. Examine the history of the term and its use. It is always used as a negative. Right now, when I see someone complain about political correctness, I think immediately of bigotry. I rather hope that I can be given the opportunity to refrain from regarding you as a bigot. Back off the discussion of political correctness.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:45 PM   #45
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You are right... Everything is peachy!! No reason for concern.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:52 PM   #46
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Keep in mind that Texas and Baylor are loading up on mostly in state kids...
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:15 PM   #47
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Why are people so down? It seems to me that Vivian Gray is still available. Horvat and Micaela Johnson are considering OU. Maybe OU gets Veitenheimer next year. I know LoLo Davenports mother follows a OU coach. Then NaLyssa Smith could be a possibility.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:04 PM   #48
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That would be nice.
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Old 06-11-2016, 01:52 PM   #49
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$350 is not a lot for a team..... It is about $25 a kid, and I know for Baylor its $75 a kid. Camps are a great way to get these kids on campus. That's just my 2 cents.
The $350 is for the individual Elite Camp, not Team Camp. The Team Camp is $150-$200 a kid depending on if you are staying there or traveling.
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Old 06-11-2016, 10:40 PM   #50
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20 months with no verbals is troubling. Very troubling. There's quiet recruiting and then there's that.
You are forgetting about Morgan Rich's transfer from last fall. Only a couple of teams have 2 high level 2017 recruits. You are right that ecruiting is the lifeblood of college athletics but it is too soon to be in recruiting panic mode yet.
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