ouhoops.com
forums roster schedule stats rankings rpi bracketology big xII standings recruiting ouhoopstv

Go Back   OUHoops > Main Category > The Wayman Tisdale Men's Hoops Board

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-31-2019, 09:37 AM   #26
skyvue
Elite Eight
 
skyvue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 5,798
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoonerBounce13 View Post
that isn't how it works
It did that year.
__________________
“When most people say they are being 'realistic,' they delude themselves; they are simply being negative.”
—Dr. Norman Vincent Peale
skyvue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 09:44 AM   #27
skyvue
Elite Eight
 
skyvue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 5,798
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoonerBounce13 View Post
Now if we started the season bad and went on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, I would agree.
No, if we had started the season poorly and gone on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, you and some others on this board would have felt better about the team, which is what all this is really about.

But our chances of making the tourney would not have been improved. I don't know when some on this board will accept the truth that all quality wins matter when it comes to making the tourney -- early, late, it doesn't matter. The committee credits teams for all their quality wins.
__________________
“When most people say they are being 'realistic,' they delude themselves; they are simply being negative.”
—Dr. Norman Vincent Peale
skyvue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 10:00 AM   #28
WichitaSooner
All-Conference
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,573
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvue View Post
No, if we had started the season poorly and gone on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, you and some others on this board would have felt better about the team, which is what all this is really about.

But our chances of making the tourney would not have been improved. I don't know when some on this board will accept the truth that all quality wins matter when it comes to making the tourney -- early, late, it doesn't matter. The committee credits teams for all their quality wins.
Sadly, I think the answer is "never."
WichitaSooner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 11:35 AM   #29
tmeyer3307
Walk-on
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 484
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

6 seed or better... Top 4 finish in big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is my bet for this team.
tmeyer3307 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 12:18 PM   #30
SoonerBounce13
National Champion
 
SoonerBounce13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 9,301
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by WichitaSooner View Post
In that scenario, our seed would have been exactly the same.
maybe. I know they claim they don't value conference record or trends but I find that very unlikely.
__________________
"But I know some of the qualities of the coach I would pick. Somebody that doesn't mind working, a coach that's going to bring a fresh mindset and help us all get better as basketball players as well as men. A coach that has all our best interests at heart."

-Romero Osby
SoonerBounce13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 12:19 PM   #31
SoonerBounce13
National Champion
 
SoonerBounce13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 9,301
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvue View Post
No, if we had started the season poorly and gone on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, you and some others on this board would have felt better about the team, which is what all this is really about.

But our chances of making the tourney would not have been improved. I don't know when some on this board will accept the truth that all quality wins matter when it comes to making the tourney -- early, late, it doesn't matter. The committee credits teams for all their quality wins.
I never said they didn't credit teams for quality wins.
__________________
"But I know some of the qualities of the coach I would pick. Somebody that doesn't mind working, a coach that's going to bring a fresh mindset and help us all get better as basketball players as well as men. A coach that has all our best interests at heart."

-Romero Osby
SoonerBounce13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 12:26 PM   #32
SoonerBounce13
National Champion
 
SoonerBounce13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 9,301
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvue View Post
It did that year.
yep, my bad
__________________
"But I know some of the qualities of the coach I would pick. Somebody that doesn't mind working, a coach that's going to bring a fresh mindset and help us all get better as basketball players as well as men. A coach that has all our best interests at heart."

-Romero Osby
SoonerBounce13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 01:20 PM   #33
WichitaSooner
All-Conference
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,573
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoonerBounce13 View Post
maybe. I know they claim they don't value conference record or trends but I find that very unlikely.
Then how do you explain all the data available from the past several years? I don't look at what they claim, I look at what they actually do, and OU itself is proof that conference records and trends no longer matter.
WichitaSooner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 04:49 PM   #34
thebigabd
National Champion
 
thebigabd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 10,853
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmeyer3307 View Post
6 seed or better... Top 4 finish in big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is my bet for this team.
Nothing wrong with some optimism.. but thats bold for a team with so many new players, and seemingly no "elite" players.. Bunch of good players potentially, but nobody on this team is an NBA prospect.
__________________
Lonnie Kruger = YES
thebigabd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2019, 05:59 PM   #35
skyvue
Elite Eight
 
skyvue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 5,798
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigabd View Post
Nothing wrong with some optimism.. but thats bold for a team with so many new players, and seemingly no "elite" players.. Bunch of good players potentially, but nobody on this team is an NBA prospect.
Was Buddy Hield considered an NBA prospect entering freshman season? How about we wait until we've seen them play for a season or two before pronouncing their limitations?
__________________
“When most people say they are being 'realistic,' they delude themselves; they are simply being negative.”
—Dr. Norman Vincent Peale
skyvue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 06:59 AM   #36
SoonerBounce13
National Champion
 
SoonerBounce13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 9,301
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvue View Post
Was Buddy Hield considered an NBA prospect entering freshman season? How about we wait until we've seen them play for a season or two before pronouncing their limitations?
Right now, I don't see any NBA prospects. That doesn't mean things can't change obviously. Nothing wrong with stating that right now.
__________________
"But I know some of the qualities of the coach I would pick. Somebody that doesn't mind working, a coach that's going to bring a fresh mindset and help us all get better as basketball players as well as men. A coach that has all our best interests at heart."

-Romero Osby
SoonerBounce13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 10:33 AM   #37
skyvue
Elite Eight
 
skyvue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 5,798
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoonerBounce13 View Post
Right now, I don't see any NBA prospects. That doesn't mean things can't change obviously. Nothing wrong with stating that right now.
Sorry, but "Nobody on this team is an NBA prospect" is a pronouncement that rules out the kind of success that Buddy (and plenty of other athletes) have achieved. I don't understand the impulse, seen so often on this board. to nail down -- in advance, before we've seen most of these players play even a single minute as a Sooner -- how good these players will be.

Few, if any, would have predicted that Buddy's freshman class would go to the Final Four or that Buddy would be Player of the Year or that he and Isaiah would be drafted or that Buddy would become a rising star and one of the best shooters in the NBA.
__________________
“When most people say they are being 'realistic,' they delude themselves; they are simply being negative.”
—Dr. Norman Vincent Peale
skyvue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 10:45 AM   #38
WichitaSooner
All-Conference
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 1,573
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvue View Post
Sorry, but "Nobody on this team is an NBA prospect" is a pronouncement that rules out the kind of success that Buddy (and plenty of other athletes) have achieved. I don't understand the impulse, seen so often on this board. to nail down -- in advance, before we've seen most of these players play even a single minute as a Sooner -- how good these players will be.

Few, if any, would have predicted that Buddy's freshman class would go to the Final Four or that Buddy would be Player of the Year or that he and Isaiah would be drafted or that Buddy would become a rising star and one of the best shooters in the NBA.
I know it is tempting to try to project this stuff, but it really is silly, especially for kids who have yet to start their college careers. It works the other way, too -- sometimes, people will proclaim that an OU player has NBA potential after just a few games. I recall multiple people saying that Muni could play in the NBA based on how athletic he is. Within the first month of his freshman year, people were wondering if Manek would be here four years because they thought he might be a candidate to enter the draft early. But since few, if any, of us have seen any of the newcomers play in person, it seems more than a bit premature to speculate about their pro potential.

And to Sky's other point, it does feel like people are far more likely to negatively evaluate our own players than guys on other teams. As an example, if another Big 12 school had landed Reaves, people would be gushing about what a coup it was to land a sharpshooter with two years of experience playing for a Top 25 program. As is, he seems to go unmentioned by lots of people on this board, and when he is mentioned, people act as if he is an unproven entity even though he has 70ish games under his belt.
WichitaSooner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 11:44 AM   #39
AdaSooner
Administrator
 
AdaSooner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 14,207
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmeyer3307 View Post
6 seed or better... Top 4 finish in big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is my bet for this team.
About right in my usually unusually optimistic opinion!

Seriously, I think OU could be the surprise of the Big 12 Conference this season. There is just too much depth and too many quality players to believe this team will fall short of a very respectable season. I haven’t been this excited since the summer before our Final Four run.
AdaSooner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 01:01 PM   #40
tmeyer3307
Walk-on
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 484
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

I'm just betting on our guards. Today's game is all about the guards and we have several now. If we have one big step up this season, I don't see why a top 4-5 finish in the big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is such an outrageous statement.

I think we have the length and talent to really do something special the next 2-3 years.
tmeyer3307 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 04:06 PM   #41
SoonerBounce13
National Champion
 
SoonerBounce13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 9,301
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by skyvue View Post
Sorry, but "Nobody on this team is an NBA prospect" is a pronouncement that rules out the kind of success that Buddy (and plenty of other athletes) have achieved. I don't understand the impulse, seen so often on this board. to nail down -- in advance, before we've seen most of these players play even a single minute as a Sooner -- how good these players will be.

Few, if any, would have predicted that Buddy's freshman class would go to the Final Four or that Buddy would be Player of the Year or that he and Isaiah would be drafted or that Buddy would become a rising star and one of the best shooters in the NBA.
Well then don't do it. There is a whole business that deals with projecting players potentials. Should they stop as well?

There isn't anything wrong with it. If you don't like partaking in it, don't.
__________________
"But I know some of the qualities of the coach I would pick. Somebody that doesn't mind working, a coach that's going to bring a fresh mindset and help us all get better as basketball players as well as men. A coach that has all our best interests at heart."

-Romero Osby
SoonerBounce13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 04:26 PM   #42
CoachTalk
Final Four
 
CoachTalk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,806
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

I've thought about this a lot.

I think we are 5-6 seed. I havent seen practice but reports are these dudes compete and have the talent to do that. I think top 5 in the conference is fair. We will win some games we aren't supposed to and likely lose a couple of head shakers.

This group will get better all year long, lot of new parts but more than enough talent.
CoachTalk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2019, 05:10 PM   #43
skyvue
Elite Eight
 
skyvue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 5,798
Default Re: We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoonerBounce13 View Post
Well then don't do it. There is a whole business that deals with projecting players potentials. Should they stop as well?
They don't post on this board. And one assumes that those businesses are staffed by professionals who have actually seen the athletes in question play. If they're not, anyone would be a fool to pay them for their uninformed opinions and assessments.

If posters have the right to make pronouncements about the future of players that have yet to take the court in a Sooner uniform, then other posters have every right to call those pronouncements out as premature and even unfounded and to cite former players who have FAR exceeded the expectations of the "experts," both professional and amateur.

abd's a tough guy; he can take it.
__________________
“When most people say they are being 'realistic,' they delude themselves; they are simply being negative.”
—Dr. Norman Vincent Peale
skyvue is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Hosted By: URLJet.com