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Old 11-23-2019, 02:33 PM   #1
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So far this looks exactly like the team we had last year. six turnovers at least so far in the first quarter and down by 12. Simpson has accounted for most if not all of the turnovers. Robinson is being exposed for how slow she is defensively as she can't keep up with the guard she's been assigned to defend. I just don't understand how we still makes such stupid mistakes. I guess our coaches are to be blamed and there's only so much you can do with the limited talent we have. Williams has been a non-factor. Houston is probably not even as good as the bottom teams in the Big 12 will be so I don't know how to feel at this point.

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Old 11-23-2019, 04:06 PM   #2
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Difficult to find positives in this game. Glad I didn't pay for the video.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:14 PM   #3
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Difficult to find positives in this game. Glad I didn't pay for the video.

I'm so upset I paid $7 to watch this! I hesitated at first but then decided why not. We were just outplayed pretty much every aspect of the game today. No passion at all from our coaches when we made poor decisions, which there were plenty of. I don't know how Simpson plays as much as she does Lampkin was obviously the more effective post and even the few minutes Aspen got she was more effective. Simpson is a turnover machine quite simply because she does not have the athleticism and talent to play at this level. It's not being harsh if it's a fact. She would be a great NAIA post. I'm really not looking forward to quite possibly another two seasons with a weakness at the post.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:31 PM   #4
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It is Sherri and staff lack of recruiting. Our talent is bottom couple of the Big 12 and Tot isn’t going to change that by herself.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:49 PM   #5
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It is Sherri and staff lack of recruiting. Our talent is bottom couple of the Big 12 and Tot isnít going to change that by herself.

Our dire need is height, so we sign a 5'3" PG, go figure. Idk what difference she will make, we'll still have a 6'0" center that CANNOT rebound, catch passes, defend, or land a jump shot.

I can only hope Scott can replace her soon, but one a SC pet, always a SC pet. If I were top commit, I would definitely not look here
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Old 11-23-2019, 05:56 PM   #6
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So far this season is off to a very worrying familiar start.
The lack of roster additions/turnover after the 8-22 disaster was very worrisome.
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Old 11-23-2019, 10:39 PM   #7
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Old 11-24-2019, 05:21 AM   #8
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Not pretty again. I think we finish the OOC games at about 5-7 and go about 3/4 games better in the conference season to finish 12-18 or 13-17. A mere 4 game improvement over 2018-19. My fingers are crossed that I know not that of which I speak.
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:29 AM   #9
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Not pretty again. I think we finish the OOC games at about 5-7 and go about 3/4 games better in the conference season to finish 12-18 or 13-17. A mere 4 game improvement over 2018-19. My fingers are crossed that I know not that of which I speak.
I think you are being generous.......

This program is going nowhere fast. The time to clean house has come and gone!

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Old 11-24-2019, 10:46 AM   #10
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I think they will win more this year..how much more? Who knows but I think not much.
Everyone knows how I feel about the SC (as a coach) You Get What You Pay For doesn't
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Old 11-24-2019, 11:43 AM   #11
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The real concern for Joe C has to be that Sherri cannot fix this.
And then watch Joe C go cheap on the replacement.
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The real concern for Joe C has to be that Sherri cannot fix this.
And then watch Joe C go cheap on the replacement.

I have a feeling that the only way for us to be able to bring legit talent back into this program is if we have a different coach. I know that s c has offered some decent talent the last few recruiting classes but none of them have seriously considered us, for a very good reason. I think we will improve a little from last year's record mainly because our schedule is weaker and we can't get any worse than last year's team, but the program is in dire need of some drastic changes and they will not be happening with SC as a coach. I think at this point SC doesn't know what to do with the little talent we do have and has little hope of bringing any major talent in. Ohio State and Connecticut are playing right now and I'm seeing a lot of foreign players, yet doubt we are even looking there. I say fire our head coach after this season and bring in Louisville's coach or someone like that. with the salary we are willing to pay we should be able to bring in a decent coach!
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The only quote from Coach Coale in Soonersports' recap of the game is "We get better from here".

Wow, incredible coverage.
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Old 11-24-2019, 04:33 PM   #14
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1. I doubt they fire Sherri yet.

2. You will not get Jeff Walz in Norman. No sane coach would come to the Big Twelve which is essentially ruled by Texas schools. He is paid $1.15 million plus a car allowance already. Louisville is in the middle of a highly-populated area with few schools in competition (Cincy? Ohio State? Kentucky? W. Virginia?). There are probably 25 million people within three to four hundred miles of Louisville, with not a lot of high basketball competition.

Compare that to the Big Twelve in which Kentucky would be the second most-populated state. Ohio holds as many people as the entire Big Twelve except for Texas, and what are the competitive Ohio/Indiana schools? Not that far from Chicago. Why would you go to Norman?

You would need to look for an emerging talent, probably someone like Dionnah Jackson, who has ties to OU. Stiles may be a possibility.
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1. I doubt they fire Sherri yet.

2. You will not get Jeff Walz in Norman. No sane coach would come to the Big Twelve which is essentially ruled by Texas schools. He is paid $1.15 million plus a car allowance already. Louisville is in the middle of a highly-populated area with few schools in competition (Cincy? Ohio State? Kentucky? W. Virginia?). There are probably 25 million people within three to four hundred miles of Louisville, with not a lot of high basketball competition.

Compare that to the Big Twelve in which Kentucky would be the second most-populated state. Ohio holds as many people as the entire Big Twelve except for Texas, and what are the competitive Ohio/Indiana schools? Not that far from Chicago. Why would you go to Norman?

You would need to look for an emerging talent, probably someone like Dionnah Jackson, who has ties to OU. Stiles may be a possibility.

Good points, you're probably right. If this season ends up being another less than mediocre, if not horrible season, and they do not fire SC I think a lot of fans will be upset. I don't know that this group of girls has a much higher ceiling to improve I think what we see now is pretty much all we're going to get with the exception of Scott and Gregory. Bloom seems like another 'project' type of player SC has the tendency to sign, which is irritating in itself and another reason why we can't compete with top programs. What is the answer? Do we hope that this group can somehow figure it out? Bringing in a post that is actually productive will help but one player can't turn around a program. A bit lost as a fan right now..
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Old 11-24-2019, 05:54 PM   #16
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A number of legitimate gripes. I think we can agree that Joe C will do nothing for at least one and probably two years. Sherri has said (years ago) that she doesnt like to recruit and (I think)has depended on her record to recruit for her which obviously works worse and worse. Finally she has recognized that there is a problem and has hired new assistants. I see little change in our style or results and dont expect any. I think we must get used to mediocrity without running down the program any more than we have to.
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A number of legitimate gripes. I think we can agree that Joe C will do nothing for at least one and probably two years. Sherri has said (years ago) that she doesnt like to recruit and (I think)has depended on her record to recruit for her which obviously works worse and worse. Finally she has recognized that there is a problem and has hired new assistants. I see little change in our style or results and dont expect any. I think we must get used to mediocrity without running down the program any more than we have to.
At this point I don't think anyone has to run the program down. Sherri Coale has successfully done that. And did she really think hiring her son would help?
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I do think hiring Colton was an extremely bad decision. He had so many other possibilities in life, but she babied him into not learning about responsibility and becoming an adult. That is likely to have negative impacts on him for many years. Every time fans see him on the sideline they wonder if it is true that he is not respected enough by other coaches and schools to get a job on his own. Why would anyone do that to their child? I suspect he could have taken responsibility and found some kind of work or career if she had encouraged and guided him in that direction.

But ultimately, I put much of the blame for that on the shoulders of Joe C. No matter what many of you say, he is a weak AD. He should never have allowed SC or Bob Stoops or Patty to hire all the family members. Everyone knows nepotism is an extremely bad thing to get involved with (and arguably immoral in a public setting), but under Joe C's watch it became the norm for OU. And it has been a disaster all the way around.

I know many of you will want to argue that he is some marvelous leader, but the fact that he has no rules, no policies, no leadership on such an obvious situation is absolute proof of his terribly poor leadership. It is highly unusual for an organization to go wild with nepotism. OU has been doing that regularly under his leadership. That terrible character flaw in him overshadows any good things you can bring up about him to counter it..
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This
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I too consider Joe Castiglione's position on nepotism at a public university a major character flaw. However were Sherri one third the WBB coach that Joe C is an AD we would have 2-5 more conference championships in the books the last decade and a multitude more happy fans. It is also likely we would have a couple more thousand butt in LNC seats for every WBB game.
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I too consider Joe Castiglione's position on nepotism at a public university a major character flaw. However were Sherri one third the WBB coach that Joe C is an AD we would have 2-5 more conference championships in the books the last decade and a multitude more happy fans. It is also likely we would have a couple more thousand butt in LNC seats for every WBB game.
At this rate, family and friends will be the only people in the stands at home games. How long can JC put up with that?
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:41 PM   #22
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The problem right now if you are Joe C.
Last year was awful.
This year is not trending well. And there's no freshman star (yet) to indicate a
a future legit difference maker is on the roster.
No one was signed in November who has the recruiting ranking profile to be that difference maker.
Sherri has shown no inclination to use spring JUCO signees or grad transfers to rehab this bad roster.
So there's no definitive reason why 2020-2021 will be any better with the same roster.
If you holding out for the next HS recruiting class.
Those freshman won't enroll until 2021-2022, and you've lost Ana to graduation.
And what can Sherri really sign after back to back losing seasons?
So do you make a change after this year (again projecting things don't turn around)
and hope the coaching change/energy change jumpstarts the programs.
Or you realistically give Sherri 3 more bad years to "fix" recruiting.
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I am very different from most of you. My first concern about a university is whether it is doing its job, that of education and producing people capable of contributing. In that regard, I have the highest respect for Sherri Coale. It seems that she has been very effective at doing exactly that.

Somewhere, we got sports mixed up with universities, and we defined the role of coaches to be that of producing sports championships. I don't think that was in the minds of the people of Oklahoma when they created OU back in 91. If, as one local coach does, you produce national champions some of whose members are virtually incapable of reading, you are a failure.

I would like to see the winning that we did have with the program regenerated. I don't dwell on it that it hasn't. We are still doing our job. I wonder if we had retained a couple of people if we might have been better. Doubt it. They haven't exactly made the teams they transferred to any successful. I would like to see how Scott, Gregory, Bloom, Aspen, Lemon, and Nydia develop before getting too excited. Until this year, we have been getting some highly-ranked people the past few years, lost three. A lot of hat going around. How big is that transfer list?

Baylor didn't exactly dominate when they didn't have their ace last week. K-State just lost at home to Tex-Arlington. Not seeing stellar performances out of Austin so far.

I don't know exactly what to make of this team yet. I was disappointed in the last game and a half. I think we have too much talent to be losing because we are too (insert any term you think relevant) to get a rebound against Houston. I didn't see the game. It sounded horrible. Wasn't pleased with the SFA second half.

But, I'm not about throwing Sherri under the bus. In the first place, despite the claims of some, there was no bus before Sherri. I'm not sure there will be a bus after Sherri. I would like to see a little bit better play, especially since I think there is sufficient talent to make, at least, a run at the NCAAs this year. There is time to figure it out, if the girls want to. Ana is the one who has to slow down. Madi is the one who has to stop shuffling her feet. Whole bunch of people need to block out.

About the only thing I am in agreement on is that I don't want to see any more Coltan Coales, JT Gassos, DJ Gassos, or Mike Stoops. I have yet to find any value in those hires.

It doesn't take much to bring out the boo-birds. Vultures been waiting on the fences since before the season started. I don't think JC will grant your wish. Exactly how much have we improved our wrestling program? We won seven titles in that. What happened to that? Haven't made any headway in track, soccer, volleyball. Men's basketball was off on a great start until tonight, but we haven't won a title there either.

We are about softball, gymnastics, and football these days, and it has now been 19 years without a football title. I think JC has other things on his mind, more pressing matters. How long will OU fans keep the faith in football without a title?

Me. For now, I'm more concerned about how far our academic standing has fallen. This used to be considered a good undergraduate university that could at least teach grammar.

Bring on Abilene Christian.
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[quote=sybarite;637451]I am very different from most of you. My first concern about a university is whether it is doing its job, that of education and producing people capable of contributing. In that regard, I have the highest respect for Sherri Coale. It seems that she has been very effective at doing exactly that.


Somewhere we got sports mixed up with universities, and we defined the role of coaches to be that of producing sports championships. I don't think that was in the minds of the people of Oklahoma when they created OU back in 91.

I would like to see the winning that we did have with the program regenerated. I don't dwell on it that it hasn't. We are still doing our job.

One can most definitely dispute whether Sherri is still doing her job. While there is no doubt that Sherri is doing an excellent job of educating and producing contributors we must also identify and accept that universities like our culture is dynamic with the only constant being change. That being said the role of sports in academia has made major changes

Sports is no longer is no an approach of providing just an academic exposure to the recognition, trials and tribulations of the real world. Now is serves as a primary interface to entice its graduates, friends and donors to become more closely tied to their schools with their presence on campus while securing from them moneys for both academia and athletics.

Consequently we don't pay Sherri $1,330K just to develop educated contributors to society. We also pay her to win basketball games, to create interest in OU and to draw fans, alumni and donors to campus. Those who are chartered with their primary function be educating and developing contributors are paid based on 2016-2017 numbers an average of $116K for a full professor and $82K for an associate professor. Quite a disparity.

Only the top administrators at OU and OUHSC plus the professional MD's on staff at OUHSC make similar salaries to athletic coaches. The top 20 wage earners at OU's Norman campus are all associated with the athletic department ($395K-$5,330K). Linked below are the top 20 wage earners at OU, OUHSC and OUHSC Professional Plan... With the highest paid professors and administrators paid about what the lowest paid assistant football coach makes.

Sherri Coale was the 4th highest paid person at OU making $1,330K. That is a million dollars plus above what a endowed professor makes and that incremental money is paid to win basketball games, create interest in the university, draw fans to games and generate revenue.

You may not like what has transpired with the integration of sports on the college campus but that is what has transpired through the dynamics of our cultural changes. And no one really cares what the founder had in mind when they started OU. We are not living in 1891. It is what it and unequivocally Sherri is not doing the job she is paid an incremental $1million to do.

https://oklahomawatchdata.org/university-salaries/760

https://oklahomawatchdata.org/university-salaries/770

https://oklahomawatchdata.org/university-salaries/771

https://www.okhighered.org/studies-r...ry/2016-17.pdf
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So, when something gets screwed up, you simply change your purposes were? Explains the government, maybe.

First, I didn't really read through your stuff since I've seen it before. I'm not inclined to pay a coach more than a history professor in the first place. We get the same distorted ideals when we play rock stars and athletes more than farmers and teachers. You are indicating that we should accept this distorted value system as valid, when it is of no value to the growth of a nation or economy.

Just a thought: list of largest endowments in the US. Are all of those large endowments at Harvard, Yale, Smith, and Emory because they are so much better at football than OU?https://thebestschools.org/features/...sity-research/

I told my daughter to go to Wellesley if she wanted a good football team. Notice that Harvard's endowment is over twenty times that of OU, and they haven't been in the top twenty since the twenties.

They refer to the Texas and Texas A&M systems which includes all of their affiliates, UT Galveston, UTD, UTA, etc. A&M-Corpus Christi, etc.
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