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Old 08-15-2021, 07:47 PM   #1
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Interesting article by Dennis Dodd with a focus on a Big Ten, ACC, Pac-12 alliance, but also the end of the Big 12.

from the article: "...Who absorbs who doesn't really matter at this point. We're almost assured of dropping from 10 to nine FBS conferences. Ten years ago, realignment offered a step up for the likes TCU (Big 12) and Utah (Pac-12). This time, it threatens to thin the herd with the likes of Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Baylor no longer being major-conference members. Kansas could wind up playing basketball in the Mountain West..."
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Old 08-20-2021, 01:04 PM   #2
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...aign=editorial

Apparently this is going to happen.

Which means the current Big 12 needs to add UCF, Boise State, BYU, and Cincy as fast as possible, if at all possible.
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Old 08-20-2021, 01:06 PM   #3
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Apparently this is going to happen.

Which means the current Big 12 needs to add UCF, Boise State, BYU, and Cincy as fast as possible, if at all possible.
And Hutch Juco.
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Old 08-20-2021, 01:48 PM   #4
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And Hutch Juco.
An that qualifies as an afternoon ZING!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:08 PM   #5
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Apparently this is going to happen.

Which means the current Big 12 needs to add UCF, Boise State, BYU, and Cincy as fast as possible, if at all possible.
Iíd say merge conferences. Those teams wonít make the Big12 a P5 conference.
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An that qualifies as an afternoon ZING!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, we did just win the natty!
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Old 08-20-2021, 07:33 PM   #7
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"The Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 also give attention to sports beyond football, with each league averaging more than 22 different sports per campus; SEC schools average 19.9."


Wow...I'm sure sports #21 and #22 really enrich those university experiences.
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Part of me wonders how good for the sport, or the fans, etc it is that individual schools have total control of this. For example, in the NFL, a team can't just work out an arrangement to leave a division and join another team. It's setup by the NFL itself.

Schools setup leagues and conferences in their own self-interest... not in the interest of the fans, the sport, the athletes, the local communities that feed them talent, etc.

Food for thought...
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Old 08-22-2021, 04:04 PM   #9
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It's great to have a king if the king is great. The NCAA is not great. In fact, the NCAA is absolutely awful.
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Part of me wonders how good for the sport, or the fans, etc it is that individual schools have total control of this. For example, in the NFL, a team can't just work out an arrangement to leave a division and join another team. It's setup by the NFL itself.

Schools setup leagues and conferences in their own self-interest... not in the interest of the fans, the sport, the athletes, the local communities that feed them talent, etc.

Food for thought...
Thatís the way itís always been. College athletics has been corrupt for a long time. Nobody can agree and everyone is out to get the best deal for themselves, not for the good of the sport or the fans. Once the TV money became so great, itís made it 1000 times worse. None of this is for the good of the sport. However, Iíd rather OU be in the best conference instead of swimming upstream against the current or on the outside looking in.
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Old 08-24-2021, 12:29 PM   #11
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so this is a whole lot of nothing ...

legit just a PR presser ...

there is a "verbal" agreement for the 3 leagues to "work" together ..

so signed agreement .. or even any framework ...
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so this is a whole lot of nothing ...

legit just a PR presser ...

there is a "verbal" agreement for the 3 leagues to "work" together ..

so signed agreement .. or even any framework ...
It was never going to have an impact on basketball.

I still think they'll work together to make football life a little tougher for the SEC. Be shocked if the playoffs were expanded any time soon (that hurts the SEC). Be interesting to see if OOC scheduling changes any. Probably not really.
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It was never going to have an impact on basketball.

I still think they'll work together to make football life a little tougher for the SEC. Be shocked if the playoffs were expanded any time soon (that hurts the SEC). Be interesting to see if OOC scheduling changes any. Probably not really.
they are going to have early season and midyear mens and womens basketball games .. against eachother ..

so it does

not expanding the playoffs hurts the Pac and ACC far far more then the SEC ..
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they are going to have early season and midyear mens and womens basketball games .. against eachother ..

so it does

not expanding the playoffs hurts the Pac and ACC far far more then the SEC ..
The basketball games only hurt the SEC if they are at the expense of scheduling games against the SEC. Like, if the SEC vs whomever challenge goes away. The other conferences playing some bball games against each other isn't a big deal.

Disagree on the Playoffs. Right now it's tough for two schools from the same conference to get in a 4 team playoff, UNLESS the champ from one of the other conferences is downright terrible. After the OU/UT move to the SEC, the SEC gets one spot, and the Big 12 spot that has been OU goes away, leaving what should be guaranteed spots for the ACC, Big 10, and PAC champs MOST years. All those conferences have to do is produce a 1 loss champion.
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The basketball games only hurt the SEC if they are at the expense of scheduling games against the SEC. Like, if the SEC vs whomever challenge goes away. The other conferences playing some bball games against each other isn't a big deal.

Disagree on the Playoffs. Right now it's tough for two schools from the same conference to get in a 4 team playoff, UNLESS the champ from one of the other conferences is downright terrible. After the OU/UT move to the SEC, the SEC gets one spot, and the Big 12 spot that has been OU goes away, leaving what should be guaranteed spots for the ACC, Big 10, and PAC champs MOST years. All those conferences have to do is produce a 1 loss champion.
the SEC was not who was pushing for the playoff expansion in any way .
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the SEC was not who was pushing for the playoff expansion in any way .
They should. Playoff expansion helps SEC, Pac12, & Group5 teams.
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They should. Playoff expansion helps SEC, Pac12, & Group5 teams.
Playoff expansion pretty much helps everyone but maybe the SEC because it evens the odds for the field to win over an SEC team. SEC gets a huge advantage because it gets half the playoff spots right now almost guaranteed.
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Playoff expansion pretty much helps everyone but maybe the SEC because it evens the odds for the field to win over an SEC team. SEC gets a huge advantage because it gets half the playoff spots right now almost guaranteed.
lol, I think your math is off.

In 7 years of the CFP, only ONCE has the SEC gotten two teams in.

Adding OU and UT isn't going to change that. All that does is likely open up a spot for another non-SEC team that has historically been "next in line".

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...g1ihf930w9asgf

That is a projection of what a 12 team Playoff would have looked like last year. So in a 4 team Playoff, the SEC got 1/4 spots (25%). In the 12 team Playoff, they got 4/12 spots (33%). The other conferences would have lost ground as a whole, and individually. The expansion of the CFP helps the SEC more than anybody else (outside maybe the G5). Especially after adding OU/UT. THAT is why the other conferences will likely delay the expansion as long as they can. Even with OU/UT, and even with the Big 12 (post-OU/UT) not deserving a bid most years, I still think the SEC is a 1 bid league MOST years in a 4 team Playoff format.
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Playoff expansion pretty much helps everyone but maybe the SEC because it evens the odds for the field to win over an SEC team. SEC gets a huge advantage because it gets half the playoff spots right now almost guaranteed.
4/12 is better than 1/4. I think it hurts the ACC the most because Clemson is the only one getting in that conference whether it be 4 teams or 68 (exaggeration).
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I think it helps everyone. SEC would end up with three or four teams most years, but the other P5 schools would be assured of getting at least one team in, which hasnít always been the case, and the group of 5 would also be represented. It helps some programs more than others, but every FBS will have a better chance of making an expanded playoff.
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This alliance is a joke. It's not even that solidified after a press announcement. They basically said they may schedule each other sometimes. LMAO.
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This alliance is a joke. It's not even that solidified after a press announcement. They basically said they may schedule each other sometimes. LMAO.
Yep. Nothing was signed, and they built up this announcement just to basically say nothing.
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Looking like BYU is target #1 for the Big 12, which I think is a great move.

All media outlets seem to agree at this point that expansion is the only option left for the remaining Big 12 schools... Nobody else took them in.

BYU - UCF - Boise State - Cincinnati make it a very good league for football.

They are going to have to grow the conference, there is no doubt... It's going to take 4-5 recruiting cycles for BYU, UCF, Boise, etc to really get to a P5 level that can go week in and week out if they get chosen... But long term I think there is a ton of promise.

I still think they should add two more and get to 14 to really change things up... At first I was thinking San Diego State and UNLV, because of premier locations and UNLV's new facilities (which is the best stadium for football in the world, arguably)... But I also like the option of adding one of the "out west" teams and another team from the east coast.... like South Florida, or East Carolina, etc.

East Carolina is kind of an interesting prospect.....
  • In 2016 they were very public about wanting to join the Big 12...
  • The Chancellor, President, and Athletic Director informed the Big 12 they want in... They went as far to say that they "deserve" to be in the Big 12.
  • They have nearly 30,000 enrollment
  • It's in an excellent recruiting area
  • It creates another EST school along with UCF, Cincy, and WVU.
  • It's the traditional "state school" campus and atmosphere
  • They have a traditional football stadium with 50,000 capacity
  • They wear purple uniforms
  • They have significant potential if elevated to a better league

Division A
Oklahoma State
BYU
Kansas State
Kansas
Boise State
Iowa State
San Diego State/UNLV

Division B
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF
ECU
Baylor
WVU
Cincinnati

The league goes coast to coast.... has excellent potential in basketball, and adds the best "up and comers" available.... In basketball that's easily a 7 bid league.

East Carolina, San Diego State, etc would need to build... and that's fine. They need to grow their programs. When I first started watching Big 8/Big 12 football I remember OU and Nebraska beating teams like OSU and Baylor 60-0.

In 2000 Nebraska beat Baylor 59-0.... In 2001 Nebraska beat Baylor 48-7... But they built their program over time.... Nebraska fell off, and Baylor came up. It's happened before, and it will continue to happen as things shake up.

All the talk about these guys joining other leagues is over... the only option left is Big 12 expansion.
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Expanding "coast to coast" isn't the answer. Even with adding teams, they take home amount for the Big 12 teams is about to decrease rather substantially. I really doubt WVU and EC want to travel to the West Coast for games, and vice versa. There is a reason no conferences are currently set up that way. I really don't think it's the answer.

BYU is annoying and not a great cultural fit, BUT the remaining Big 12 might not have an option but to consider them. As for UCF, EC, and Cincy, I'm not sure why they would jump to leave the AAC. Big 12, even after expansion, isn't a lock to succeed long-term. Matter of fact, I still think the long-term layout is that we end up with 4 or even 2 main football conferences.

We'll see how it all plays out, but I don't think it's as easy as you make it seem. And I still think Memphis (FedEx money) and Houston (metro-area, quality programs, and Fertita money) make a lot of sense.
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Estimates say the Big 12 will go from making around 40 million a year to around 15 a year. Now the buyout from OU/Tx will probably make it more for a year or two but it'll still be substantially less than nearly 40 million these programs make. The first chance any of these programs have to go to major conferences they will take. So it'll have no long term stability. You can't make losing over 20 million a year work long term.
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