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View Poll Results: Is the SEC move better for OU from a competitive perspective?
Yes, OU's odds of success in winning conference and national championships is improved 27 61.36%
No, OU's odds of success in winning conference and national championships is worse 4 9.09%
OU's odds of winning conference and national championships is the exact same as before 13 29.55%
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Old 08-10-2021, 08:54 AM   #126
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Old 08-10-2021, 08:57 AM   #127
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I think scheduling played a minimal role in Griffin winning the Heisman; they went 9-3 the year he won -- a decent record but hardly eye-popping. He won because a) he was a Heisman-caliber QB -- he passed the eye test, and b) because of the teams Baylor beat -- #14 TCU, #22 Texas and #5 OU. They played just three non-conference games that season and one of them was against TCU.

That's exactly why he won. Padding the schedule was a non-player.
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Old 08-10-2021, 09:06 AM   #128
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2013 Baylor Football.... 11-2 season.

Wofford
Buffalo
UM-Monroe
TCU

2014 Baylor Football.. 11-2 season.

SMU
Northwestern State
Buffalo
TCU

2015 Baylor Football... 10-3 season.

SMU
Lamar
Rice
TCU

2019 Baylor Football... 11-3 season.

Stephen F. Austin
UTSA
Rice
Did Baylor playing a patsy schedule torpedo them from playing in the BCS one year? In the upcoming years they play home and road games against BYU, Utah, Air Force, Auburn and Oregon. Looks like patsy schedule has been clined!
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Old 08-10-2021, 09:14 AM   #129
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That's exactly why he won. Padding the schedule was a non-player.
I don't think you can say that. Record does come into play, whether it should or not. If they lost a couple more games, he wouldn't have won.
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Old 08-10-2021, 09:31 AM   #130
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That's exactly why he won. Padding the schedule was a non-player.
I agree with that... Padding the schedule didn't win him a Heisman. Losing more games in the non-con could have cost him the Heisman though.

What's the precedent for winning Heisman on an average team?
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Old 08-10-2021, 09:59 AM   #131
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I don't think you can say that. Record does come into play, whether it should or not. If they lost a couple more games, he wouldn't have won.
As I pointed out in a preview post, Baylor played just two easy non-conference games that season -- Rice and Stephen F. Austin (who were ranked in FCS). Their opener was against TCU, which was not yet in the Big 12 and was ranked
#14.

I'm not arguing that Baylor hasn't played easy non-conference schedules in recent seasons, but that year, not so much -- certainly not soft enough to impact Griffin's Heisman campaign.
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Old 08-10-2021, 10:26 AM   #132
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I don't think you can say that. Record does come into play, whether it should or not. If they lost a couple more games, he wouldn't have won.

If you look at the trophy winners you rarely see 3 losses on their resume. Whether these losses were attributed to non-co, conference or both is rather immaterial. Losing 5 games would barre a player from winning regardless of when they occurred during the season be it in conference or out.
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Old 08-10-2021, 10:50 AM   #133
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If you look at the trophy winners you rarely see 3 losses on their resume. Whether these losses were attributed to non-co, conference or both is rather immaterial. Losing 5 games would barre a player from winning regardless of when they occurred during the season be it in conference or out.
I hope they don't take Steve Owens' trophy away. The Sooners went 6-4 his Heisman season, which would certainly translate to five losses today.
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Old 08-10-2021, 11:04 AM   #134
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If you look at the trophy winners you rarely see 3 losses on their resume. Whether these losses were attributed to non-co, conference or both is rather immaterial. Losing 5 games would barre a player from winning regardless of when they occurred during the season be it in conference or out.
Florida went 9-4 the year Tebow won it.

Griffin had a heck of a year, but his win will probably receive the Andre Ware treatment as that season retreats further into memory.
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Old 08-10-2021, 11:17 AM   #135
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I hope they don't take Steve Owens' trophy away. The Sooners went 6-4 his Heisman season, which would certainly translate to five losses today.
Did I mention anything about taking away trophies? So why log it into the discussion? Did I use the term "rarely" in making a point (since 1935 there have been 3 winners with more than 3 losses) And your example of Steve occurred only more than 50 years ago. When Owens won the award they didn't give him the award because of what it would translate to in the decades to come and the same could be said about yards per carry.

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Old 08-10-2021, 11:42 AM   #136
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Florida went 9-4 the year Tebow won it.

Griffin had a heck of a year, but his win will probably receive the Andre Ware treatment as that season retreats further into memory.

Hate to throw a correction your way, but to be accurate, Tebow won the Heisman award back in December which was before he and Florida competed in a New Year's day match against Michigan in which they were defeated.

The link below groups together the winners based on number of losses.

https://www.heisman.com/articles/win...d-the-heisman/
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Old 08-10-2021, 11:51 AM   #137
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I hope they don't take Steve Owens' trophy away. The Sooners went 6-4 his Heisman season, which would certainly translate to five losses today.
it is a different animal today.
It is about exposure and value to your team instead of just the best player.
i.e., it is the best player on the best team most of the time.
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it is a different animal today.
It is about exposure and value to your team instead of just the best player.
i.e., it is the best player on the best team most of the time.
I’d argue it is basically the best/highest profile quarterback on a high profile team. Sure it helps to be 10-2 rather than 9-3, but don’t think that makes a huge difference.
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