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Old 12-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #51
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Our only hope is for Penn State to reach for Bob and have him jump. Then we can hire Kirby Smart from Alabama who will have no problem stopping the rinkydink gimmick offenses of the Big XII.
I see, we should hope that we lose a head coach with a career .802 winning percentage, so we can hire an assistant with no head coaching experience.
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:57 PM   #52
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I see, we should hope that we lose a head coach with a career .802 winning percentage, so we can hire an assistant with no head coaching experience.
this is the same guy that wanted to keep Caple. He clearly has no idea what a good coach looks like.
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:59 PM   #53
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I agree with your point to a certain extent. As for the comparison with Mizzou, I'm not positive but I am willing to bet OU has more defensive starters in the NFL than Mizzou does. But like I said, not 100% sure.
As far as I can tell, using depth charts at ESPN.com (not perfect, I know)

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Remi Ayodele (Vikings; stats suggest he hasn't been a regular starter)
Quinton Carter (Broncos)
Dominique Franks (not listed as a starter on the Falcons official site or credited with any starts at NFL.com)
Kelly Gregg (Chiefs)
Curtis Lofton (Falcons)
(Gerald McCoy would be a starter in Tampa, but he's out)

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Ziggy Hood (Pittsburgh)
William Moore (Falcons)
Sean Weatherspoon (Falcons)
Kevin Rutland (Jaguars; starting for the first time on Monday)
Justin Smith (49ers)
Aldon Smith (49ers)

It really depends on who you really count as a starter. MU has five guys who start regularly and a sixth getting his first start tomorrow. OU has three regular starters, a fourth out with an injury, and what looks like two other guys starting who haven't been for most of the season.

OU does have more defensive players on NFL rosters (eight others to two non-starters for MU). But in terms of guys actually starting this weekend, MU actually has more.

Edit: looks like Ayodele has started all season, but somehow only has like 4 tackles. Not sure how that's even possible. Also, I guess I technically shouldn't include Aldon. He splits time with Parys Harrelson, who is the official starter, but Smith has 7.5 sacks through 11 games.

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Old 12-04-2011, 04:18 PM   #54
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I agree. The offense put way to much pressure on the defense.
OMG...When is this mentality gonna go away? Our defense has been piss poor the majority of the time Brent V. has been here. DEFENSE is the mark of a championship caliber team. Look at LSU yesterday whose offense struggled the first half. What unit held strong until the O got going? DEFENSE people. We give up a ton of points and yards year after year and all I ever hear people complain about is our offense. Did we struggle offensively yesterday? Absolutely...but to sit here and act like the defense wasn't heavily responsible is a joke. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE IN DEFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY. I am sick and tired of poor tackling, bad angles, soft coverage, no pressure, lack of physicality etc.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:20 PM   #55
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Why do you keep bringing up these meaningless stats?

When you are consistently a top 10 team, you are going to have FAR more games against lower ranked opponents. Doesn't prove a thing.
Precisely.

Like I said, losing to lower ranked/unraked teams more than teams ranked higher applies to almost all coaches at elite programs.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:22 PM   #56
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As far as I can tell, using depth charts at ESPN.com (not perfect, I know)

OU:
Remi Ayodele (Vikings; stats suggest he hasn't been a regular starter)
Quinton Carter (Broncos)
Dominique Franks (not listed as a starter on the Falcons official site or credited with any starts at NFL.com)
Kelly Gregg (Chiefs)
Curtis Lofton (Falcons)
(Gerald McCoy would be a starter in Tampa, but he's out)

MU:
Ziggy Hood (Pittsburgh)
William Moore (Falcons)
Sean Weatherspoon (Falcons)
Kevin Rutland (Jaguars; starting for the first time on Monday)
Justin Smith (49ers)
Aldon Smith (49ers)

It really depends on who you really count as a starter. MU has five guys who start regularly and a sixth getting his first start tomorrow. OU has three regular starters, a fourth out with an injury, and what looks like two other guys starting who haven't been for most of the season.

OU does have more defensive players on NFL rosters (eight others to two non-starters for MU). But in terms of guys actually starting this weekend, MU actually has more.

Edit: looks like Ayodele has started all season, but somehow only has like 4 tackles. Not sure how that's even possible. Also, I guess I technically shouldn't include Aldon. He splits time with Parys Harrelson, who is the official starter, but Smith has 7.5 sacks through 11 games.
Yeah I guess you'd call it a wash for starters.

Nevertheless, there should be more for OU lately; there were quite a bit more starting back in the early years of the Stoops era. And I think the abated number of NFL-caliber players on defense correlates to OU's performance statistically... Over the past few years, OU's defense has been very mediocre save for 2009. No excuse for that to happen, and reflects poorly on Venables.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:27 PM   #57
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To be a fair, OU's no huddle offense has been a problem for the defense. When our offense struggles it forces our defense onto the field far quicker than a team with a slower offensive tempo. Also, I'd be curious to see how many snaps our defense has been forced to play over the last 4-5 years.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:31 PM   #58
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Starters out for the OSU game:

Austin Box
Ronnell Lewis
Dominique Whaley
Ryan Broyles
Adam Shead


Starters seriously hampered by injuries:

Jaz Reynolds (had a bad flu, was throwing up on the sidelines, went to the hospital during the game)
Frank Alexander
Travis Lewis


This team has been decimated by injuries. We've lost tons of guys from the '07 and '08 recruiting classes, so we don't have much depth.

This team will be fine in the future if we stay healthy. Basically the entire offense comes back. Defensively, we bring back almost everyone as well. We're a young team, who got rocked on the road by a top 5 team. Two touchdowns were gifted to them by the ball slipping out of our QBs hands, something that you can't expect to happen very often.


We will be favored to win the Big XII next year, and will probably do so. K-State would appear to be the biggest challenge, but they'll be coming to Norman next year. OSU and Baylor will be neutered. Texas still won't be very good, same goes for Kansas, Iowa St., and Taco Tech. Don't know too much about WVU or TCU, although neither was great this year (although both will be playing in BCS games, testifying to how terrible their conference is).


What I can agree with, is the people that say we need to focus on defense. When you're a great defensive team, bad teams just aren't going to beat you, because after forcing 3 and outs over and over you are eventually going to wear their defense down and put some points on the board.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:33 PM   #59
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Jaz Reynolds (had a bad flu, was throwing up on the sidelines, went to the hospital during the game)
Damn, I didn't know about this.
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Starters out for the OSU game:

Austin Box
Ronnell Lewis
Dominique Whaley
Ryan Broyles
Adam Shead


Starters seriously hampered by injuries:

Jaz Reynolds (had a bad flu, was throwing up on the sidelines, went to the hospital during the game)
Frank Alexander
Travis Lewis


This team has been decimated by injuries. We've lost tons of guys from the '07 and '08 recruiting classes, so we don't have much depth.
Agreed. When I see that list, it's hard for me to be too upset. That isn't factoring in the 2 RB's that transferred, and Haywood, who might have been getting TE snaps as average as our TE play has been.

Just seems like everything that could have went wrong this year, did.
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Agreed. When I see that list, it's hard for me to be too upset. That isn't factoring in the 2 RB's that transferred, and Haywood, who might have been getting TE snaps as average as our TE play has been.

Just seems like everything that could have went wrong this year, did.
Exactly, which is going to happen once in a while; Unless, you buy into Pete Carroll's delusions: "Win Forever" "Win Forever"
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:02 PM   #62
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Unless he brings the dozen or so NFL first rounders he has playing under him at Alabama, I doubt he'll make much of a difference.

The spread is dominant in virtually every conference. The few teams who can shut it down consistently—USC, LSU, Florida, Alabama—do so because they're stacked with NFL talent, not because they have figured out some schematic solution.

Oklahoma, for all its recruiting success, has struggled to develop elite talent in the secondary. Just look at NFL starting lineups today for evidence of that. I believe there will be one OU product (Quinton Carter, Broncos) starting this weekend for an NFL team. Mizzou will have two (William Moore, Falcons, and Kevin Rutland will get his first start today with Jacksonville).

When you recruit like OU does, it's flat out inexcusable to have so few players in the NFL. Granted, there are another few guys on rosters, but it's still not in line with the type of talent OU should have. When you play in a pass-happy conference and can out-recruit all but maybe one team, you should have no shortage of elite cover corners. OU hasn't. That's a failure on Bob Stoops' part, which is surprising considering he was a safety himself.
OU doesn't land elite corners. Elite corners want to press and cover man to man with not a lot of zone. Most of the guys we land are more suitable for free safety imo.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:10 PM   #63
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OU doesn't land elite corners. Elite corners want to press and cover man to man with not a lot of zone. Most of the guys we land are more suitable for free safety imo.
Agreed. And this is the Catch 22 of the Big 12 vs SEC argument.

The SEC offenses are more pro-style, which leads them to play more traditional, pro-style defenses. That affects recruiting. They also have more depth, defensively, at DL and LB, while the Big 12 teams play more nickel and dime, and therefore have less depth upfront b/c of the need for extra DB's.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:17 PM   #64
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West Virginia just earned a tie in a mid-major level conference on a last-second field goal over a 5-win team.

Nice spin on the "combined to win 1 BCS Bowl ever." Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri and A&M are far more historically relevant than TCU and West Virginia.
Take out Nebraksa and I am not sure you can still say that. With Nebraska you are clearly correct.

A&M is absolutely not hisotically relevant. They have the most over inflated opinion of themselves in all of college football. Personally, I would rank A&M about par with OSU and Missouri. All three schools are reasonably competitive with an occassional nice year but none of them are major players. Honestly, I prefer OSU and Missouri over A&M because their fans are not so dillusional. I don't think of West Virginia or TCU as a major player either.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:18 PM   #65
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What I don't like about OU football is the manner in which it fan base deals with down but still above average seasons. This was a good season for 95% of college football programs (if not more) yet at OU fans act like the head coach should be fired. It is ridiculous. Bob Stoops has done a great job at OU. I was happy he was the coach when the season started and I am happy he is still the coach.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:25 PM   #66
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I havent watched a single OU football game this year... just bits and pieces, checking the score, that type of thing. I didnt watch a single second of the game last night, although I checked the score on my phone while I was out and about.

I did watch OSU vs K-State (K-state is my favorite college football program when Bill Snyder is on the sidelines), K-State vs Miami, and maybe another game or two that I am forgetting.

PGA Golf > NBA Basketball > College basketball > NFL Football > College Football

That is my order of importance.
This post actually makes me feel better about you. At least now theres a clear understanding as to why you are so clueless when it comes to college athletics.

Completely clueless... no offense.
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  • No playoff.
  • Annoyingly stupid offensive schemes.
  • QB's standing around looking to the sideline for a play.
  • Never firing Venebles.

All equal me not enjoying college football anymore. I prefer basketball now. NFL has also gotten boring.
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Old 12-04-2011, 07:24 PM   #68
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Actually I'm tired of our fans pizzing and moaning and acting like children. Part of being a fan is taking the good with the bad. am I happy about some of the games? No, but it's not like I can go play QB and make it better. I don't know about all of you but losing to OSU isn't going to wreck my life.
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Actually I'm tired of our fans pizzing and moaning and acting like children. Part of being a fan is taking the good with the bad. am I happy about some of the games? No, but it's not like I can go play QB and make it better. I don't know about all of you but losing to OSU isn't going to wreck my life.
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Stoops is just not very bright when it comes to math. I remember in the 2008 RRS he punted the ball at midfield with no timeouts and only 3 minutes left on 4th and 4. All Texas needed was a timeout and of course they got it.

This year he calls timeout in a tie game on the road when the other team (who is out of timeouts and has gained over 500 yards BTW) is trying to run out the clock and head to OT.

For somebody who uses complex mathematical models and quantitative analysis to earn a living it is disgusting to watch. I've been calling him bozo Bob for a long time and every year the evidence mounts.
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Sawyer, how do you feel about Gary Pinkel voting OSU 4th on his final coaches poll ballot? Pretty despicable if you ask me, kissing the arse of his new conference overlords rather than voting with integrity.
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Stoops is just not very bright when it comes to math. I remember in the 2008 RRS he punted the ball at midfield with no timeouts and only 3 minutes left on 4th and 4. All Texas needed was a timeout and of course they got it.

This year he calls timeout in a tie game on the road when the other team (who is out of timeouts and has gained over 500 yards BTW) is trying to run out the clock and head to OT.

For somebody who uses complex mathematical models and quantitative analysis to earn a living it is disgusting to watch. I've been calling him bozo Bob for a long time and every year the evidence mounts.
Are you sure you're not thinking of another game? The last time OU punted that game was when they were down by 3 with 7 minutes to go in the 4th, which was definitely within reason.

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Those of you begging for the KState offense, you remember why OU went away from that, and to the spread (which we aren't a 100% spread team anymore) or a passing offense, right? No NFL-level QB wants to run the KState offense. No NFL-level OL want to run block in an option-based scheme. No NFL-level receivers want to go to a place that doesn't throw it often. Bob wanted to attract high-end talent, and the way to do that is to have a passing-based offense.

The schemes we are running is not the problem. Not on offense. And not on defense. The schemes are fine. They are sound. Our offense isn't all that different then what OSU is running, and they nearly got their POS school to the NC game with it, and very little defense.
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OMG...When is this mentality gonna go away? Our defense has been piss poor the majority of the time Brent V. has been here. DEFENSE is the mark of a championship caliber team. Look at LSU yesterday whose offense struggled the first half. What unit held strong until the O got going? DEFENSE people. We give up a ton of points and yards year after year and all I ever hear people complain about is our offense. Did we struggle offensively yesterday? Absolutely...but to sit here and act like the defense wasn't heavily responsible is a joke. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE IN DEFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY. I am sick and tired of poor tackling, bad angles, soft coverage, no pressure, lack of physicality etc.
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

I didn't say the defense played great. Did the LSU offense give away 21 points in that game? I don't think so. Yes a good defense can bear up when the offense struggles - if the offense doesn't gift wrap touchdowns for the opponents. No defense can withstand the offense giving away 21 points. All of the things you brought up are valid points of discussion, but our offense put the defense behind the 8 ball all night long and there is absolutely no denying that.
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Are you sure you're not thinking of another game? The last time OU punted that game was when they were down by 3 with 7 minutes to go in the 4th, which was definitely within reason.

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Nope that's the exact game. My facts were a little off but looking at the drive chart refreshes my memory.

Texas had scored on 6 of their previous 7 possessions (86%). We had not punted since the 1st qtr. There's 7 minutes left and it's 4th & 2 from midfield. Which is more probable, us getting 2 yards or stopping them? Since I started doubting Stoops in 2004 I have paid closer attention than most to his constant gameday errors. When things get tight, he blinks and makes the wrong decision and I'm not talking about subjective things like play calling. I'm talking game management. He freezes.

There is a reason we lose every single time we play any team with talent close to ours not named Texas. The good thing is that football coaches in general aren't very bright so Stoops is better than average. But there is a reason Mike Leach runs up and down the field with FCS talent. He's just smarter than the guy on the other sideline.
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