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Old 05-08-2020, 01:33 PM   #26
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my method keeps ou back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of oklahoma, kansas, missouri, and texas for recruits.
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I know you are trying to be cute, but his comment applies to more than just last year. We were not close to top 4 the previous 3 seasons.
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I know you are trying to be cute, but his comment applies to more than just last year. We were not close to top 4 the previous 3 seasons.
And by legitimate top 4 I mean competitive enough to win the league, regular season or tournament. Have a legitimate chance at it.
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And by legitimate top 4 I mean competitive enough to win the league, regular season or tournament. Have a legitimate chance at it.
I don’t have the time but go back and pull some of these juncos that you would’ve picked for us: plenty of misses.

Would’ve been a lot more transfers.

I have no problem getting a couple but no way 2-3 per class.
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No, I would have a really dysfunctional team if half the players I recruited transferred out or busted.

My method would produce:

A.) More talent
B.) More experienced, older players
C.) A proper mix of local high school talent and incoming 2-3 year players
D.) Put OU in a position of strength in terms of recruiting, instead of constantly fighting above our pay grade

My method puts OU back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas for recruits.
This is also based on OU landing the top juco Talent. Which there is no guarantee they would.
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And by legitimate top 4 I mean competitive enough to win the league, regular season or tournament. Have a legitimate chance at it.
In the past five seasons, just five teams have placed in the top four in the conference while finishing two or fewer games back. So what you're really demanding, in practical terms, is top 2 finishes, since you've added new metrics that negate your previous statement.
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No, I would have a really dysfunctional team if half the players I recruited transferred out or busted.

My method would produce:

A.) More talent
B.) More experienced, older players
C.) A proper mix of local high school talent and incoming 2-3 year players
D.) Put OU in a position of strength in terms of recruiting, instead of constantly fighting above our pay grade

My method puts OU back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas for recruits.
No it wouldn’t. JUCO isn’t what it used to be because of prep schools.

A) Williams was a top juco player & didn’t start most games over a freshman & sophomore. Another freshman was taking his minutes because he couldn’t defend or quit turning the ball over. He has the most raw talent on the team and can be really good.
B) they wouldn’t be more experienced because they’d have 2 years of D1 instead of 3-4.
C) If you take 3 jucos a year mixed with 0-1 Hs player you’d have roster turnover of 4 graduates every year, throw in a transfer a year. Also don’t forget that you can’t miss on your targets because there isn’t as many D1 juco players than in high school.
D) How?

This method isn’t done by anybody because it wouldn’t work. I doubt OU could make the Dance 1/2 the time using this method. OU pretty much just recruits regionally, but you’d also lose out on Cousins, Hill, Williams, Kuath.

Also JUCOs usually have baggage. With your hand picked juco predictions over the past OU wouldn’t win more than 8 games.
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No it wouldn’t. JUCO isn’t what it used to be because of prep schools.

A) Williams was a top juco player & didn’t start most games over a freshman & sophomore. Another freshman was taking his minutes because he couldn’t defend or quit turning the ball over. He has the most raw talent on the team and can be really good.
B) they wouldn’t be more experienced because they’d have 2 years of D1 instead of 3-4.
C) If you take 3 jucos a year mixed with 0-1 Hs player you’d have roster turnover of 4 graduates every year, throw in a transfer a year. Also don’t forget that you can’t miss on your targets because there isn’t as many D1 juco players than in high school.
D) How?

This method isn’t done by anybody because it wouldn’t work. I doubt OU could make the Dance 1/2 the time using this method. OU pretty much just recruits regionally, but you’d also lose out on Cousins, Hill, Williams, Kuath.

Also JUCOs usually have baggage. With your hand picked juco predictions over the past OU wouldn’t win more than 8 games.
I'd love to see the total number of JUCOs who contributed to teams finishing in the top four of power conferences the past couple/few years. I mean, we all know KU, UK, Duke, UNC, UVA, Gonzaga, etc., are loaded with junior college players.

Of course, in bigabd's mind, our roster would have the five best JUCOs in the country each year, because (a) it is a sure bet that we would be able to get every kid we recruit, and (b) our coaches would never sign the dozens of flops he identifies each season who end up averaging 2 points and 2 rebounds once they reach D-1.

Williams is a great example of why this strategy would kill us. I love Williams's talent and think he can be a very good player IF he shows more consistency and completely buys in next season. But even if that happens, we will have gotten one good season following one very mediocre season, and then he will be gone. If a high school kid does that, you still have a chance to keep him around for two more good seasons. But for JUCOs, other than in very rare cases, you are lucky if you get one quality season.
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No it wouldn’t. JUCO isn’t what it used to be because of prep schools.

A) Williams was a top juco player & didn’t start most games over a freshman & sophomore. Another freshman was taking his minutes because he couldn’t defend or quit turning the ball over. He has the most raw talent on the team and can be really good.
B) they wouldn’t be more experienced because they’d have 2 years of D1 instead of 3-4.
C) If you take 3 jucos a year mixed with 0-1 Hs player you’d have roster turnover of 4 graduates every year, throw in a transfer a year. Also don’t forget that you can’t miss on your targets because there isn’t as many D1 juco players than in high school.
D) How?

This method isn’t done by anybody because it wouldn’t work. I doubt OU could make the Dance 1/2 the time using this method. OU pretty much just recruits regionally, but you’d also lose out on Cousins, Hill, Williams, Kuath.

Also JUCOs usually have baggage. With your hand picked juco predictions over the past OU wouldn’t win more than 8 games.
Total non-sense....

If my method was followed OU would have had the following lineup last year:

PG: Devion Harmon/Jamal Bieniemy
SG: Mason Jones/Alondes Williams
SG: Devonte Bandoo/Tyson Jolly
PF: Kristian Doolittle/Victor Iwuokor
PF: Brady Manek/Kur Kuath

That should have taken absolutely no effort to get that. None. Nada. Zilch. If they weren't chasing waterfalls they could have easily made that happen...That team can compete for a Big 12 championship. Probably the best shooting team in the league.

Remember guys, its not 100% juco. It's high-level jucos in the area, mixed with the normal high level recruiting we do in the Texas and Oklahoma high school circuit. We have plenty of local talent that we pretty much dominate on.

Also, have I touted some busts? Yea, but I am not a professional scout with all the recruiting resources available to me... but we know they are there. We know Tyson Jolly was right there, and went to SMU... We know Mason Jones was in Oklahoma, and got no offer... We know Bandoo wanted to come here, and instead we took MILES FREAKIN REYNOLDS and Bandoo went on to be a nice piece for one of the best teams in the country...

It should have taken minimal effort. Practically none.
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Total non-sense....

If my method was followed OU would have had the following lineup last year:

PG: Devion Harmon/Jamal Bieniemy
SG: Mason Jones/Alondes Williams
SG: Devonte Bandoo/Tyson Jolly
PF: Kristian Doolittle/Victor Iwuokor
PF: Brady Manek/Kur Kuath

That should have taken absolutely no effort to get that. None. Nada. Zilch. If they weren't chasing waterfalls they could have easily made that happen...That team can compete for a Big 12 championship. Probably the best shooting team in the league.

Remember guys, its not 100% juco. It's high-level jucos in the area, mixed with the normal high level recruiting we do in the Texas and Oklahoma high school circuit. We have plenty of local talent that we pretty much dominate on.

Also, have I touted some busts? Yea, but I am not a professional scout with all the recruiting resources available to me... but we know they are there. We know Tyson Jolly was right there, and went to SMU... We know Mason Jones was in Oklahoma, and got no offer... We know Bandoo wanted to come here, and instead we took MILES FREAKIN REYNOLDS and Bandoo went on to be a nice piece for one of the best teams in the country...

It should have taken minimal effort. Practically none.
No effort lmao! Of course all those players would’ve came here right? 4 handpicked, hindsight 20/20 wings would’ve all came to OU at the same time? Alondes Williams & Kur wasn’t local, Tyson Jolly went to 4 colleges in 4 years, and when did you tout Mason Jones? Devonte Bandoo would’ve been a solid pickup, but not as good as Reaves.

I remember you touting Bandoo with 3 other terrible players.

You’re lineup would’ve been if handpicked by you.

Harmon/terrible juco
Bienemy/Bandoo
Terrible juco/ terrible juco
Manek/ terrible juco
Doolittle/ terrible juco

That’s also assuming you would’ve went after those 4 high school players. Harmon was the only one in the top 100.

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No effort lmao! Of course all those players would’ve came here right? 4 handpicked, hindsight 20/20 wings would’ve all came to OU at the same time? Alondes Williams & Kur wasn’t local, Tyson Jolly went to 4 colleges in 4 years, and when did you tout Mason Jones? Devonte Bandoo would’ve been a solid pickup, but not as good as Reaves.

I remember you touting Bandoo with 3 other terrible players.

You’re lineup would’ve been if handpicked by you.

Harmon/terrible juco
Bienemy/Bandoo
Terrible juco/ terrible juco
Manek/ terrible juco
Doolittle/ terrible juco

That’s also assuming you would’ve went after those 4 high school players. Harmon was the only one in the top 100.
Where would Torres, the guy who shot like 5 percent from three for Wichita State in his one season before transferring yet again, have fit in this lineup? I think there was also a guy who ended up washing out of KSU after averaging about one point who was on the list of guys we definitely should have signed a couple years ago. I think the FF would have been a given with that squad lol.
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No, I would have a really dysfunctional team if half the players I recruited transferred out or busted.

My method would produce:

A.) More talent
B.) More experienced, older players
C.) A proper mix of local high school talent and incoming 2-3 year players
D.) Put OU in a position of strength in terms of recruiting, instead of constantly fighting above our pay grade

My method puts OU back in the top 4 of the league, without ever having to leave the state of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas for recruits.


This isn't 1990. If it were, I would agree with you...because that's exactly about how Tubbs did it! When's the last time we got a Jackie Jones/Skeeter Henry/Mookie/ even Bryan Sallier kind of player from Juco?? Maybe Taj Gray or Ace McGee? I have no problem having 2-3 on a 13 player roster...but no more. With all the transfer portal and grad transfers...you'd have better luck there, with your foundation being HS players.
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Could we talk about real prospects in this thread? This juco dice roll talk is foolish.
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Juco doesn’t have near the talent that it did in Tubbs day. There are plenty of misses with juco players. I think it’s a great idea to recruit as much talent as possible, but too heavy on jucos is a recipe for disaster. We should have a good mix of both juco and HS talent and a good balance from frosh to seniors. Also, just like HS talent, just because we want the best jucos doesn’t mean we will be able to recruit them to OU.
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OU can't even get the players from their own state to come here (they are going to TAMU, for some reason). Why are we worrying about them getting top players from elsewhere?
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I had someone who knows basketball tell me he watched Bijan Cortez play a couple of years ago in an AAU tournament and thought he was overrated. He told me recently he was wrong. The kid has really stepped up his game.
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I had someone who knows basketball tell me he watched Bijan Cortez play a couple of years ago in an AAU tournament and thought he was overrated. He told me recently he was wrong. The kid has really stepped up his game.
I don't have much connection to HS basketball in OK anymore, but I've never heard so much complaining about offering an in-state kid. Especially one that is rated top 150 in the country by most recruiting sites. I'm very happy to have him.
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I don't have much connection to HS basketball in OK anymore, but I've never heard so much complaining about offering an in-state kid. Especially one that is rated top 150 in the country by most recruiting sites. I'm very happy to have him.
Me too! The response was similar when we signed Trey Phipps. My gut tells me both players will prove their critics wrong.
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OU stopped recruiting jaxon when Bijan was in.
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Jaxson didn’t impress me much his senior season. We may not sign Trey Alexander, but he was head and shoulders better than Jaxson they went head to head a few months ago.
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Jaxson didn’t impress me much his senior season. We may not sign Trey Alexander, but he was head and shoulders better than Jaxson they went head to head a few months ago.
Yeah it wasn’t close. Robinson is not a guy who can create his own shot, he’s got a great frame & a good set shot.
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OU made top 10 for KJ Adams. Top 60 player, plays for Team Griffin with Bijan Cortes.
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#1 target is Damion Collin. The #2 target just committed to Texas Tech. Alexander is starting to emerge as a priority recently..... There is more focus on a good 2022 class in Texas.
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#1 target is Damion Collin. The #2 target just committed to Texas Tech. Alexander is starting to emerge as a priority recently..... There is more focus on a good 2022 class in Texas.
Good old Lon. Moving those goalposts because he is struggling. Let's have a smaller 2020 class and focus on a loaded 2021 class. Nah, nevermind, let's focus on 2022, since I can't get any top 2021 targets to come here, especially in-state ones. He is following his trajectory of leaving programs works off than when he got them.
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Good old Lon. Moving those goalposts because he is struggling. Let's have a smaller 2020 class and focus on a loaded 2021 class. Nah, nevermind, let's focus on 2022, since I can't get any top 2021 targets to come here, especially in-state ones. He is following his trajectory of leaving programs works off than when he got them.
Two things I’ll say for you: You’re predictable and you’re consistent.

Oh, you might want to edit that last sentence. Spellcheck is not your friend.
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