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Old 05-23-2019, 11:48 PM   #76
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With Corbin, Rick and Vic it’s obvious Lon wants to recruit a 5 and improve rim protecting/shot blocking/ rebounding at the 5.
Playing Doo at the 5 means we get dominated on the boards and don’t block any shots/protect the rim. Playing Doo at one forward with Manek at the other with Rick or Vic at the 5 will likely be our best lineup.
Corbin is a mediocre Juco player. He’ll have an uphill battle to ever contribute.
Rick and Vic are athletes, limited offensively, they are dunkers, hopefully they will be blocking shots, protecting the rim, and rebounding for the Sooners for the next several years.
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Old 05-24-2019, 07:38 AM   #77
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With Corbin, Rick and Vic itís obvious Lon wants to recruit a 5 and improve rim protecting/shot blocking/ rebounding at the 5.
Playing Doo at the 5 means we get dominated on the boards and donít block any shots/protect the rim. Playing Doo at one forward with Manek at the other with Rick or Vic at the 5 will likely be our best lineup.
Corbin is a mediocre Juco player. Heíll have an uphill battle to ever contribute.
Rick and Vic are athletes, limited offensively, they are dunkers, hopefully they will be blocking shots, protecting the rim, and rebounding for the Sooners for the next several years.
I have high hopes for Vic, but Doo will start at the 5 next year.
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Old 05-24-2019, 07:41 AM   #78
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With Corbin, Rick and Vic itís obvious Lon wants to recruit a 5 and improve rim protecting/shot blocking/ rebounding at the 5.
Playing Doo at the 5 means we get dominated on the boards and donít block any shots/protect the rim. Playing Doo at one forward with Manek at the other with Rick or Vic at the 5 will likely be our best lineup.
Corbin is a mediocre Juco player. Heíll have an uphill battle to ever contribute.
Rick and Vic are athletes, limited offensively, they are dunkers, hopefully they will be blocking shots, protecting the rim, and rebounding for the Sooners for the next several years.

I disagree. Our best lineup will include Harmon/Bienemy/Reaves
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Old 05-24-2019, 08:34 AM   #79
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If Reaves and JB can hit shots and play defense? Three combined years of college expect seems to be pretty good evidence to me.
I agree. It's evident that Bienemy was not a consistent scorer/shooter.
WRT Reaves, I've never seen him play.
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Old 05-24-2019, 08:47 AM   #80
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It's evident that Bienemy was not a consistent scorer/shooter.
He had the best shooting percentage on the team from behind the arc.
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Old 05-24-2019, 08:54 AM   #81
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I don't understand any doubt of Bienemy... He showed plenty for a true freshman. He appears to be the real deal.
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:03 AM   #82
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He had the best shooting percentage on the team from behind the arc.
He showed promise as a freshman, which is why I'm pretty excited about our guard lineup. But I was pretty excited about Odomes/James a few years back as well.
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:08 AM   #83
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I don't understand any doubt of Bienemy... He showed plenty for a true freshman. He appears to be the real deal.
He showed signs of being a good player in the future.
What/when is the "real deal"?
He averaged 4.9pts/game last season.
My idea of the "real deal" is averaging 15pts/game.
Will he be the "real deal" this season, or beyond?
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:13 AM   #84
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He showed signs of being a good player in the future.
What/when is the "real deal"?
He averaged 4.9pts/game last season.
My idea of the "real deal" is averaging 15pts/game.
Will he be the "real deal" this season, or beyond?
Most true freshman only show flashes... he showed plenty of those. I expect 10ppg out of him next year.
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:24 AM   #85
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Didn't someone on here say that the coaching staff expects his role to change some, particularly in the looking to score department? I agree i'm as excited about Bienemy as anyone. I, too, wondered why he didn' try to score more.

Buddy was kind of the same deal his freshman year, too. He has never been a point guard, but I remember him focusing on defense and getting lots of assists and rebounds the first part of the year(besides the UTA game I was at where he went off a little). Then he unleashed the scoring his soph year on. Maybe that's what will happen with Jamal.
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:26 AM   #86
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Doo, Manek, Reaves, Harmon and Bienemy would be OU's version of the GSW's death lineup. I can see OU going to this against certain teams and during certain stretches. If Doo can extend his game to the 3-point line (like when he was a FR) it would give the Sooner 5 shooters and allow switching D 1-5. Sort of like wedding present china - not for every day use, but special occasions
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:28 AM   #87
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Most true freshman only show flashes... he showed plenty of those. I expect 10ppg out of him next year.
Plus, very few point guards, let alone freshman point guards, average 15. I guess Dotson isn't the real deal, either, according to those standards.
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Didn't someone on here say that the coaching staff expects his role to change some, particularly in the looking to score department? I agree i'm as excited about Bienemy as anyone. I, too, wondered why he didn' try to score more.

Buddy was kind of the same deal his freshman year, too. He has never been a point guard, but I remember him focusing on defense and getting lots of assists and rebounds the first part of the year(besides the UTA game I was at where he went off a little). Then he unleashed the scoring his soph year on. Maybe that's what will happen with Jamal.
Outside of phenoms, OU brings in very few true freshman who put up big numbers right away... They develop talent more than anything else, which is why during the golden years OU was so consistent.. They consistently brought in and developed good HS players but got immediate and solid production from the juco ranks to offset the inexperience... Then when the right combination of HS experience and good impact jucos was right, OU was awesome and winning Big 12 tournaments, ranked in the top 20 all year, etc...

Bienemy is EXACTLY the kind of guy you want for 4 years.
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:31 AM   #89
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Doo, Manek, Reaves, Harmon and Bienemy would be OU's version of the GSW's death lineup. I can see OU going to this against certain teams and during certain stretches. If Doo can extend his game to the 3-point line (like when he was a FR) it would give the Sooner 5 shooters and allow switching D 1-5. Sort of like wedding present china - not for every day use, but special occasions
Oh it will definitely be for every day use. That is in all likelihood the starting lineup, not just something they use occasionally. If any of those five aren't starting, it means another of the newcomers is even better than expected.
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:57 AM   #90
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Oh it will definitely be for every day use. That is in all likelihood the starting lineup, not just something they use occasionally. If any of those five aren't starting, it means another of the newcomers is even better than expected.
I agree with your take about Doo on another thread. But any player starting ahead of this guy better be prepared to match his intensity or they could be looking over their shoulder at the bench the entire season.

Even if this player doesnít start, he will play and play a lot.

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Old 05-24-2019, 10:31 AM   #91
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I don't understand any doubt of Bienemy... He showed plenty for a true freshman. He appears to be the real deal.
I'm not worried about JB, but his role is changing. He wouldn't be the first to struggle when moving to a more off-ball position.
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Old 05-24-2019, 10:39 AM   #92
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Did anyone doubt Mcgusty was going to be all conference after his freshman year?
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Old 05-24-2019, 12:28 PM   #93
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I agree with your take about Doo on another thread. But any player starting ahead of this guy better be prepared to match his intensity or they could be looking over their shoulder at the bench the entire season.

Even if this player doesnít start, he will play and play a lot.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1RYlyGPZ10Y
I hope you are right. If Williams and Hill can contribute too, OU might be deeper than they have been in a while. Of course, I was saying the same thing the last two off seasons, only to be disappointed. Optimism is high on my end!
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Did anyone doubt Mcgusty was going to be all conference after his freshman year?
Thought the guy wasn’t going to average under 15 his last 3 years. Biggest disappointment maybe out of all of Capel’s guys. At least Lon benched him & processed him.
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Thought the guy wasnít going to average under 15 his last 3 years. Biggest disappointment maybe out of all of Capelís guys. At least Lon benched him & processed him.
McGusty was a Kruger Recruit. Lon had already been here 5 years.
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BC maybe thinking of Cameron Clark.
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Old 05-24-2019, 03:17 PM   #97
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He showed signs of being a good player in the future.
What/when is the "real deal"?
He averaged 4.9pts/game last season.
My idea of the "real deal" is averaging 15pts/game.
Will he be the "real deal" this season, or beyond?
The all-time top 10 scorers in OU history, plus a couple of other "notables" and their PPG as freshmen:

Wayman Tisdale 25 ppg
Buddy Hield 8 ppg
Jeff Webster 6 ppg (RS after only 3 games - 18 ppg as a redshirt frosh)
Tim McAllister 16 ppg
Darryl Kennedy 8 ppg
Stacey King 6 ppg
Ryan Minor 5 ppg
Hollis Price 7 ppg
Alvan Adams 22 ppg
Eduardo Najera 7 ppg

Blake Griffin 15 ppg
Trae Young 27 ppg

All of the guys listed above were the "real deal". And only 5 of them (6 if you count Webster) even averaged double figures as a freshman.

So I don't think you can look at Bienemy's 5 ppg as a freshman and conclude he isn't the real deal.
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Old 05-24-2019, 03:23 PM   #98
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The all-time top 10 scorers in OU history, plus a couple of other "notables" and their PPG as freshmen:

Wayman Tisdale 25 ppg
Buddy Hield 8 ppg
Jeff Webster 6 ppg (RS after only 3 games - 18 ppg as a redshirt frosh)
Tim McAllister 16 ppg
Darryl Kennedy 8 ppg
Stacey King 6 ppg
Ryan Minor 5 ppg
Hollis Price 7 ppg
Alvan Adams 22 ppg
Eduardo Najera 7 ppg

Blake Griffin 15 ppg
Trae Young 27 ppg

All of the guys listed above were the "real deal". And only 5 of them (6 if you count Webster) even averaged double figures as a freshman.

So I don't think you can look at Bienemy's 5 ppg as a freshman and conclude he isn't the real deal.

Who did that?
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Who did that?
You said your idea of the real deal is averaging 15 ppg. i took that as 15 ppg as a frosh. If I misunderstood your meaning, I apologize. Very few frosh ever average 15 ppg.
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You said your idea of the real deal is averaging 15 ppg. i took that as 15 ppg as a frosh. If I misunderstood your meaning, I apologize. Very few frosh ever average 15 ppg.
4.9pts/game as a freshman is not the "real deal".
Doesn't mean he won't get there in the future.
But for someone to say there should be no doubt at this point is misguided. There are more Mcgustys than there are Hields.
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