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Old 02-05-2019, 08:58 AM   #1
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:30 AM   #2
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So you're saying 7-11 and lose our first game in Kansas City....we're in?
Or, you're saying 6-12 and win a game in KC.....we're in?

Period? I disagree. And I'll put a little money on it if you so choose.

Not that it matters. The ship be sinking.
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:41 AM   #3
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So you're saying 7-11 and lose our first game in Kansas City....we're in?
Or, you're saying 6-12 and win a game in KC.....we're in?

Period? I disagree. And I'll put a little money on it if you so choose.

Not that it matters. The ship be sinking.
i should have said 4 more regular season wins and ou is close to a LOCK

6-12 and a win in kc likely puts ou in as well ..
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:53 AM   #4
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I wouldnt doubt this. Getting those 4 more is going to be tricky.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:03 AM   #5
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No to either one. Going to take 5 wins to get in.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:19 AM   #6
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If OU wins 4 more games in the regular conference it won't even be a debate that they're in. I guess people will debate on here, but it shouldn't be that hard to understand.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:19 AM   #8
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No team that wins 33% of it's conference games belongs in the Dance. Period.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:12 PM   #9
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If OU wins 4 more games in the regular conference it won't even be a debate that they're in. I guess people will debate on here, but it shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Again: has a team ever had as bad a winning percentage as 7-11 in conference and made the tournament as an at-large? I don't think it has ever happened. There has to be a first time for everything, but is it really going to be this Oklahoma team?
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:16 PM   #10
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No one really knows for sure how many wins we’ll need. What we do know is that we cannot continue to lose and have any hope whatsoever of being invited to the dance.

Last night’s game would have been a great start. I’m definitely more optimistic now that our players showed they’re not ready to throw in the towel. But a morale-building loss still counts as a loss.

Wins! Starting with one, then two and so on. If our players make the mistake of looking ahead like we’re doing, chances are good the numbers we’re tossing around won’t really matter.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:35 PM   #11
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Since the conference shifted to an 18-game round-robin schedule in the fall of 2011, no 7-11 Big 12 team has made the NCAA Tournament. An 8-10 record has secured a bid for six different squads, but 7-11 is a bridge too far.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:42 PM   #12
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ESPN's first Bubble Watch column came out today. OU is "Should be in", with an important caveat.

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Old 02-05-2019, 12:44 PM   #13
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FSU made it at 6-10 in 1998, so a worse winning percentage than 7-11 would be. The thing to remember, and I know a lot of people refuse to believe this, is that conference record doesn't really mean that much in and of itself. If we go 7-11 in the league, that would put us at 19-12 heading into KC. The committee doesn't really care which of those wins/losses came in conference. They care about the quality of the wins, regardless of whether it is conference or noncon. So just like last year, noncon strength of schedule is huge. And while we didn't beat any great teams, we also beat a lot of very solid teams, and didn't play any tier 4 teams. Wins over top 10 or 20 teams catch the eye of casual fans, but a bunch of wins against above average teams means a lot to the committee and in the analytics.

Last year we were 8-10 in the league, but had one additional loss in the noncon. We made it with ease.
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Again: has a team ever had as bad a winning percentage as 7-11 in conference and made the tournament as an at-large? I don't think it has ever happened. There has to be a first time for everything, but is it really going to be this Oklahoma team?
If they go 7-11 they will be in, OOC was tough & they dominated it. They look at the whole body of work & the big12 is the toughest conference in basketball yet again.
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If they go 7-11 they will be in, OOC was tough & they dominated it.
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If we go 7-11 in the league and lose our first game in Kansas City we will NOT make the NCAA Tournament.

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With a 68-team tourny, a lot of the factual information on conference records around the country goes out the window, at least to a certain extent. Florida State made it at 6-10 one year, and that was even before the expansion to 68.

I would think 7-11 would get us in, especially since at least three of those four TBD wins will be "quality" ones. How we get them remains to be seen, since we'll only be favored in two of those games and will be decided underdogs in three, with the TT home game and TCU road game being tighter numbers.

I agree with Ada, in that last night was a step in the right direction. Hopefully we can somehow drag ourselves out of what looks like another late-season collapse as of now.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:04 PM   #17
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not worth betting 10 bucks but if ou goes 7-11 and loses in kc i would bet 100 they make the dance
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:12 PM   #19
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Last year, OU went 8-10 in conference, had wins over three teams that got top 4 seeds in the tourney (Wichita St., Tech, and 1 seed Kansas). They also racked up several Big XII wins against eventual tourney teams. We got in as a 10 seed, meaning we were one of the last 5-8 teams in the field.


This year's team hasn't beaten a single team that is likely to make the tournament. The Big XII is worse than it was last year. 4 wins would give this team a 7-11 conference record.


So with a significantly worse resume than than last year, this team would be a lock to get into the tournament?
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Last year, OU went 8-10 in conference, had wins over three teams that got top 4 seeds in the tourney (Wichita St., Tech, and 1 seed Kansas). They also racked up several Big XII wins against eventual tourney teams. We got in as a 10 seed, meaning we were one of the last 5-8 teams in the field.


This year's team hasn't beaten a single team that is likely to make the tournament. The Big XII is worse than it was last year. 4 wins would give this team a 7-11 conference record.


So with a significantly worse resume than than last year, this team would be a lock to get into the tournament?
I think I lean towards 04 on this... 7-11 and a first round loss, I’d guess out. 7-11 and first round win, I’d guess in. I think 20 wins is our key... five more wins however they get them and they are in. Odds of that happening? Eh, I don’t want that action.
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Very low odds at Baylor, ISU, and KSU. I think we have a moderate to good chance in the other 5 but it depends on whether we have won enough prior games to keep the team hungry. Some think we need to win 4 of those and some think all 5. I agree all 5 is a lock. I think we have a small chance if we win 4 but definitely not a lock and I would bet out.

I personally think we will win 3 more at most so it won’t matter. I hope it is more than that but one game at a time and let’s see what happens.


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I hate being negative about OU basketball, so it pains me to say this but I see no way we make it in. I mean, if we win 5 or 6 more games, maybe a case can be made but I've seen nothing the past 3 weeks that makes me think we can win that many games. I hope I'm wrong, believe me, I would love it if I have to eat these words.
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Last year, OU went 8-10 in conference, had wins over three teams that got top 4 seeds in the tourney (Wichita St., Tech, and 1 seed Kansas). They also racked up several Big XII wins against eventual tourney teams. We got in as a 10 seed, meaning we were one of the last 5-8 teams in the field.


This year's team hasn't beaten a single team that is likely to make the tournament. The Big XII is worse than it was last year. 4 wins would give this team a 7-11 conference record.


So with a significantly worse resume than than last year, this team would be a lock to get into the tournament?
THIS. I can't emphasize it enough.

In addition to having a significantly worse resume we don't have a lottery pick that people want to watch.
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Last year, OU went 8-10 in conference, had wins over three teams that got top 4 seeds in the tourney (Wichita St., Tech, and 1 seed Kansas). They also racked up several Big XII wins against eventual tourney teams. We got in as a 10 seed, meaning we were one of the last 5-8 teams in the field.


This year's team hasn't beaten a single team that is likely to make the tournament. The Big XII is worse than it was last year. 4 wins would give this team a 7-11 conference record.


So with a significantly worse resume than than last year, this team would be a lock to get into the tournament?
TCU is quite likely a tourney team and we beat them. If we win four more games, that will mean a minimum of three more wins against the field, and some could be against teams who will get high seeds, if we beat KU or Tech. Florida could play their way into the tournament. Ditto for Wofford. And I am pretty sure our strength of schedule this year is as good or better than last season. Not sure how that equates to worse, let alone significantly worse.
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I love the fact that it seems that this point in our season we start to argue if we deserve a bid to the tourney.

Is that good enough for the Sooners?

My vote is it will be a long shot for us to accomplish what it would take to sneak in.
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