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Old 01-31-2019, 02:33 AM   #26
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Still putting my money on KU.
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Old 01-31-2019, 06:51 AM   #27
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Who are you counting as the NBA guys? Robinson and Withey are two, and Taylor had a cup of coffee but then headed overseas . Ben McLemore wasn't eligible that season. They also had no depth. Their bench barely played, and didn't even score in the title game.

On this year's team, I think Lawson is probably slightly better than 50/50 to make a roster. Grimes will make it, and likely Dotson. Vick is a wild card ... if he could ever be consistent, he could be a three point specialist off the bench. Doke is a fringe guy but obviously doesn't really count because he is hurt. And as crazy as this sounds to those who haven't watched them much, the freshman who just came off redshirt definitely could be an NBA player down the road. Arguably their best athlete and is already playing very well after only a few games. He was their best player last night. I'm not saying it's a vintage KU team, but unfortunately, they are like the Patriots...I can't stand them, people tend to write them off midway through the season, then Self somehow works magic. Again, no one on Earth will be happier if/when it ends, I'd LOVE to be wrong. And I expect all of you to chirp me if that happens lol.
Sorry, I forgot that McLemore didn't play that year (I thought it was the previous year). But, I would still take that upperclassmen laden KU team than this year's KU team. Lawson isn’t as good as Robinson and Taylor was excellent that year (much better than any of the guards on this year's KU team, at least on the college level).

I still think KU is going to win the league, because they have the most talent (and there isn't a top quality team in the Big 12 to unseat them), but I think after Dook went down for the season that this may be Self's worst KU team. Guess we will see. If they make a run in the NCAA tourney I'll come back and say that I was wrong.

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Old 01-31-2019, 09:46 AM   #28
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I'm not predicting Grimes will leave this season. I didn't think that was what 152219 meant, my bad if I misread that. But I absolutely think he will eventually make it. His stats are similar to Buddy's freshman year numbers, the difference is that Grimes was a projected lottery pick coming into the year so he has been a big disappointment so far. But he isn't a point guard, so his assist to turnover ratio isn't as big a concern as his shooting numbers. He's lost himself a lot money this season, so he needs to come back to improve his stock.
My bad. I should have known you didnít mean this season. But, in a way you kinda made my point about KUís guards. Grimes and Dotson are freshmen with the potential to be really good in a year or two. Theyíre not even close to a Mason or Graham right now. No one is on that team that I have seen. I donít think Vick has much of a chance at making a roster. For one thing, his background may be a factor, and he simply isnít good enough to overcome the reputation he seemed to work so hard to build the previous two seasons.

Obviously losing Azubuike for the season was a huge blow. Dedric Lawson is doing a great job of carrying the team right now. He just doesnít have much help. If he decides not to jump to the league when the season is over, it will be because he doesnít want to leave his brother. I think heís that good.
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Old 01-31-2019, 10:41 AM   #29
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My bad. I should have known you didnít mean this season. But, in a way you kinda made my point about KUís guards. Grimes and Dotson are freshmen with the potential to be really good in a year or two. Theyíre not even close to a Mason or Graham right now. No one is on that team that I have seen. I donít think Vick has much of a chance at making a roster. For one thing, his background may be a factor, and he simply isnít good enough to overcome the reputation he seemed to work so hard to build the previous two seasons.

Obviously losing Azubuike for the season was a huge blow. Dedric Lawson is doing a great job of carrying the team right now. He just doesnít have much help. If he decides not to jump to the league when the season is over, it will be because he doesnít want to leave his brother. I think heís that good.
I just read a very reputable draft guy do a projection a couple days ago and he has Lawson as mid-to-late second round if he comes out due to his poor athleticism. He loves him as a player but said he will need to improve his three-point shooting in order to succeed in the NBA. He didn't have Vick listed, but said he views him as a guy who will probably start in the G-League and potentially play his way onto a roster. And I agree that they don't have anyone who is currently as good as Graham and Mason were at the end of their careers, but Dotson is far better than either of them were as freshman. But like a couple posters pointed out, there isn't one high level team in the league this year to take them out. If we had another top 10 team, I think KU would be in real trouble, but everyone else in the league is going to lose at least five games, and I just think KU will be able to at least match that.
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Old 02-01-2019, 07:27 AM   #30
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That 2012 team finished third in the nation in defensive efficiency.

The next two games are going to decide this. Tech at home, in Manhattan. If they win both, they are back in the driver's seat. Split them it's wide open. Lose both and they are most likely out of it.

But the biggest problem is they aren't very good. Even the games they are winning they are squeaking out. And their poor guard play is going to make every road game a nightmare. And I'll add for clarity: they are still clearly a top half of the league and a tourney team. Just nowhere near what we've come to expect out of Kansas, or why they've won the league so many times in a row.

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Old 02-02-2019, 09:28 AM   #31
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Garret out today for KU with an ankle injury. Takes away their best perimeter defender and a guy Self has been reluctant to sub out for more than a couple minutes lately. Tech could do the league a huge favor by going in there and winning, but I have a feeling KU is going to play one of their better games today. The good news for Tech is that I won't be at the game ... it's been approximately 100 years since KU has lost a home game when I'm in the building lol.
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Old 02-02-2019, 03:46 PM   #32
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I think they are going to be in sole possession of first by Wednesday night. Missing two starters and absolutely taking Tech to the woodshed. This was the most predictable results of the day.
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Old 02-02-2019, 04:08 PM   #33
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I think they are going to be in sole possession of first by Wednesday night. Missing two starters and absolutely taking Tech to the woodshed. This was the most predictable results of the day.
How much did you bet on it?
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Old 02-02-2019, 04:45 PM   #34
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How much did you bet on it?
A hundred grand
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Old 02-02-2019, 04:49 PM   #35
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IF? If KU wins the league?

It’s a done deal. Again.
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:24 PM   #36
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Pretty crazy conference race coming down the stretch. Five teams have a legitimate shot at the title from a standings perspective, although I'm not buying Baylor as a legit contender yet.


We may very well get a chance to end the streak when KU comes to Norman.
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:37 PM   #37
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Pretty crazy conference race coming down the stretch. Five teams have a legitimate shot at the title from a standings perspective, although I'm not buying Baylor as a legit contender yet.


We may very well get a chance to end the streak when KU comes to Norman.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:14 PM   #38
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That windmill dunk was the nail in their casket

I can’t believe the streak is over. Never would’ve bet against them.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:24 PM   #39
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Way to go, KSU! I hope either KSU or ISU can take it, since OU is out of the running.

This is a year where Self can finally not tank a game to help OSU out, like it seems he does every year (even that year when OSU lost 20 games).
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:28 PM   #40
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sure ... but I was declared an idiot for speculating earlier that KU shouldn't be the favorite.
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Old 02-06-2019, 07:59 AM   #41
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That windmill dunk was the nail in their casket

I canít believe the streak is over. Never wouldíve bet against them.
It's not over at all. KU probably has the easiest remaining schedule, although they are two losses behind the leaders. They also aren't great, so they're probably going to lose more games, but still. There aren't any great teams in the league this year. Last year's KU, WVU, and Tech teams would mop the floor with this year's crop in the Big 12.
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Old 02-06-2019, 12:20 PM   #42
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If I had to bet for one single team, I'd still put my money on KU.

But I will concede that, for the first time, I feel that the field has the advantage over KU.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:02 AM   #43
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If I had to bet for one single team, I'd still put my money on KU.

But I will concede that, for the first time, I feel that the field has the advantage over KU.
ku won't lose at home. They still have ksu there.

isu might have easiest schedule...besides at ksu nothing to tough on the road, tcu would be 2nd.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:20 PM   #44
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Lagerald Vick taking a "leave of absence" from the team. It's imploding on ole Toupee billy.
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Lagerald Vick taking a "leave of absence" from the team. It's imploding on ole Toupee billy.
I don't think he was expected back this season & all of the sudden he was back. Seems like he's got a lot of stuff going on.
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I don't think he was expected back this season & all of the sudden he was back. Seems like he's got a lot of stuff going on.
Vick had a lot of “stuff” going on last year and in years past as well. The problems he had were well documented as part of a series of scandals involving KU basketball players. That may be why he was not expected back.

I’m all for second chances for young men like Vick. Self seems to believe in second and thirds, or more if they can help his teams. The NCAA can see what we have seen. Is that why they didn’t cut him any slack with De Sousa? Pure conjecture on my part, but I do think it’s possible. Also sad if the kid did absolutely nothing wrong.
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Vick had a lot of “stuff” going on last year and in years past as well. The problems he had were well documented as part of a series of scandals involving KU basketball players. That may be why he was not expected back.

I’m all for second chances for young men like Vick. Self seems to believe in second and thirds, or more if they can help his teams. The NCAA can see what we have seen. Is that why they didn’t cut him any slack with De Sousa? Pure conjecture on my part, but I do think it’s possible. Also sad if the kid did absolutely nothing wrong.
The ESPN article seemed to iterate that his mother wanted him home....and that's why he is taking the leave. I don't know what that means or how to read into that.
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The ESPN article seemed to iterate that his mother wanted him home....and that's why he is taking the leave. I don't know what that means or how to read into that.
Yeah, nothing I said had much if anything to do with Vickís leave of absence. BCSooners didnít expect to see him back this season. I was equally surprised, but it may or may not have been for the same reasons.

Vick had every right to take a leave of absence to assist or just be with his mother. I respect him for that.
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Vick's situation is bizarre to say the least. He announced after the season that he was going to turn pro, then didn't get the feedback that he wanted and decided to consider returning to school. But even then, Self initially didn't want him back. I don't think there have ever been eligibility issues with him, he just wasn't a good teammate or a consistent player and KU didn't think he was worth the headaches. I have a good friend who knows a lot about the program and even he was surprised Self ultimately let him come back. I think Vick and his mom pleaded with Self and convinced him that this year would be different. After a great start, though, it appears that it has been more of the same. Even before this family issue, he had been in and out of the doghouse. Will be interesting to see if he ever plays another minute for them.
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