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Old 04-02-2019, 11:40 AM   #1
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Together for what was expected to be a good-news phone call, members of the Sutton family were stunned by a bad-news message Tuesday morning.

Contacted by a representative of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, Oklahoma State coach Eddie Sutton was told he did not receive enough votes to be included in the hall’s class of 2019.

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A source close to the Suttons indicated family members are “stunned” and had been “very confident” Sutton finally would be voted into the Naismith Hall of Fame.

The Suttons were so confident, in fact, arrangements were being made to transport Eddie Sutton to Minneapolis — the site of this weekend’s Final Four. The Naismith class of 2019 is announced at the Final Four on Saturday.
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:42 AM   #2
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Wow!
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:46 AM   #3
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He should definitely be in
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:19 PM   #4
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I guess he’s college basketball’s version of Pete Rose. Ironically, the highlight of both their scandals was in 1989. The respective HOF Committees have made their point on both - no gambling / no cheating. Message sent loud and clear. However, it’s time to get these guys in based on their on-the-court (field) credentials.
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:23 PM   #5
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What's funny is that the NCAA absolved Eddie of any wrongdoing in the UK scandal but the HOF still holds it against him. Or maybe its the drunk driving issue.
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Old 04-02-2019, 12:55 PM   #6
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Who gets to vote on the HOF?
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:08 PM   #7
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At this point it just seems spiteful.
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:12 PM   #8
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At this point it just seems spiteful.
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At this point it just seems spiteful.
I agree.
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Old 04-02-2019, 02:17 PM   #10
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In case you were curious ...

List of Hall of Famers:
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/all/

Bruce Drake is in:
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/bruce-drake

No More, Mr. Nice Guy:
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/bob-knight

Is a Grand Jury Subpoena Pending?
http://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/bill-self
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Old 04-02-2019, 03:29 PM   #11
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Sad that he's not in....I'm no Cowboy but that is ridiculous.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:37 PM   #12
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At least he is one aggie coach that didn't lose the gold medal to the Russians.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:45 PM   #13
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At least he is one aggie coach that didn't lose the gold medal to the Russians.
Ouch...that one had more to do with “corruption” than Coach Iba. Russia got to experience their karma just 8 short years later (though that one was fair and square).

If OU fans are in agreement that Eddie Sutton should be in the HOF, I can’t imagine too many basketball fans outside Lexington, KY who would disagree.
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:06 PM   #14
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Buncha cowpoke sympathizers in here.

Dude cheated at UK. He drove drunk and could have killed somebody, and covered it up at OSU. He pissed on the wall at some elementary school. He enabled his son to be abuse prescription pain pills. And most importantly, it has been STRONGLY suggested that he played a part in turning Kelvin in to the NCAA initially, all while doing shady things himself.

Dude can go jump in a lake for all I care.
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:25 PM   #15
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Believe it or not, I pretty much agree with WT here. I think Eddie gets a lot more sympathy and support because of his age and health. If he were 20 years younger with the exact same resume, good and bad, I think more people would say that his cheating and off court issues should keep him out. It has always struck me how there are a lot of analysts who still take shots at Kelvin and hold his much less significant violations against him, but are seemingly pro-Sutton. I'm all for forgiving the guy, but putting him in the Hall seems a bit much.
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Ouch...that one had more to do with “corruption” than Coach Iba. Russia got to experience their karma just 8 short years later (though that one was fair and square).

If OU fans are in agreement that Eddie Sutton should be in the HOF, I can’t imagine too many basketball fans outside Lexington, KY who would disagree.
I know, it was maybe the biggest SCREW job in the history of sports. But, it is still funny as hell to throw that in aggies faces. They just don't know what to say.

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Buncha cowpoke sympathizers in here.

Dude cheated at UK. He drove drunk and could have killed somebody, and covered it up at OSU. He pissed on the wall at some elementary school. He enabled his son to be abuse prescription pain pills. And most importantly, it has been STRONGLY suggested that he played a part in turning Kelvin in to the NCAA initially, all while doing shady things himself.

Dude can go jump in a lake for all I care.
Are the rest of them as pure as the driven snow? If the racist Rupp and holier than thou Knight deserve to be there, I don't have a problem with Sutton being there.
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Are the rest of them as pure as the driven snow? If the racist Rupp and holier than thou Knight deserve to be there, I don't have a problem with Sutton being there.
Exactly! I couldn’t have stated it any better.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:43 PM   #19
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The HOF should only consider contributions to the sport. It should only matter what he did on the court.

Eddie Sutton did cheat at Kentucky but what he did was peanuts compared to what Calipari, Roy Williams, Coach K, bill self are currently doing and they’ll all be first ballot HOFers.

Eddie Sutton should be indicted into HOF based on his accomplishments. Denying him is hypocrisy when you let all the other degenerates in.

It’s petty and spiteful.
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Buncha cowpoke sympathizers in here.

Dude cheated at UK. He drove drunk and could have killed somebody, and covered it up at OSU. He pissed on the wall at some elementary school. He enabled his son to be abuse prescription pain pills. And most importantly, it has been STRONGLY suggested that he played a part in turning Kelvin in to the NCAA initially, all while doing shady things himself.

Dude can go jump in a lake for all I care.
Spot on, Eddie's the Otis of college coaches.
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:35 AM   #22
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Ouch...that one had more to do with “corruption” than Coach Iba. Russia got to experience their karma just 8 short years later (though that one was fair and square).

If OU fans are in agreement that Eddie Sutton should be in the HOF, I can’t imagine too many basketball fans outside Lexington, KY who would disagree.
disagree did they get screwed? yes did his coaching style also cause a team that should have blown teams out to play a close game a lose absolutly 100%
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I promise I have Sooner basketball content to share today as well, but as long I visited this thread...

Bill Haisten follows up with the HOF decision...


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On five previous occasions when Eddie Sutton had been a Naismith finalist, the answer was no. When it was announced a few weeks ago that the former Oklahoma State coach again was a finalist, it just made no sense that he would be denied a sixth time.

There are eight NCAA Division I men’s college basketball coaches with a career total of at least 800 wins. Having retired with 806, Sutton is the only one of the eight who is not a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

How cold-blooded would that be — to position an 83-year-old man for another emotional setback?

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From an unidentified panel of 24 voters, a finalist must receive at least 18 votes. Accountability is not required of the voters.

Transparency? None. It isn’t known whether Sutton got one vote or five votes or 10 or 17.

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I believed that the voters would realize how petty and wrong it had been to keep him out, and that it’s time to make things right for a coach who turned 83 a few weeks ago.

I stand corrected, and I’m reminded of a sentence from a Tulsa World column in early March: “If it doesn’t happen — if the Naismith voters again say no to Sutton — it qualifies as pointless cruelty.”
Our cartoonist Bruce Plante had a take on the decision as well.
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Believe it or not, I pretty much agree with WT here. I think Eddie gets a lot more sympathy and support because of his age and health. If he were 20 years younger with the exact same resume, good and bad, I think more people would say that his cheating and off court issues should keep him out. It has always struck me how there are a lot of analysts who still take shots at Kelvin and hold his much less significant violations against him, but are seemingly pro-Sutton. I'm all for forgiving the guy, but putting him in the Hall seems a bit much.
I freely admit my sympathies toward Eddie are health and age related. So what?

As for Eddie's past, it is all but an open secret that John Wooden's success was fueled by one of the most extensive and brazen cheating scandals in the history of college sports. It lasted years. The evidence is pretty strong that Wooden likely knew about the shady stuff Sam Gilbert was doing. At a minimum, he definitely should have known. Gilbert was buying UCLA players cars, clothes, airline tickets, giving them cash, etc. Despite all of that there's no debate about Wooden's Hall of Fame induction. He's revered. Awards are named after him.

So yeah. In this context, I'm all for giving an old man his due.
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I guess he’s college basketball’s version of Pete Rose. Ironically, the highlight of both their scandals was in 1989. The respective HOF Committees have made their point on both - no gambling / no cheating. Message sent loud and clear. However, it’s time to get these guys in based on their on-the-court (field) credentials.
Then why is Calipari and Pitino in and What about Kentucky's legendary coach Rupp. Wasnt there some point shaving scandal under his watch plus his racist views. His cheating was not any worse than the above.
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