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Old 03-21-2019, 05:01 PM   #26
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Its interesting because Hoiberg got into the Big 12 when lots of changes were happening, Missouri left (A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska left too but no real tradition), Capel would get fired a year later at OU, Rick Barnes teams at Texas were mediocre, Travis Ford did nothing special at OSU, Frank Martin would leave KSU 2 years after Hoiberg arrived but Weber has done better than most thought he would, West Virginia arrived with Huggins having to rebuild coming off 2 very good seasons and it would take 3 seasons before they were competitive again. Texas Tech and TCU were dumpster fires during those years.

Not saying he is or is not a good coach, just interesting to observe all that was going on during his 5 seasons in a 10 team league with 1 blue blood.
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Old 03-21-2019, 05:07 PM   #27
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Only the purest of OU homers would agree with this take. Hoiberg was the second best coach in the Big XII during his time at ISU, and it really wasn't close.
Lol...ok.

Ive actually been pretty vocal with criticism for LK...and am willing to see 1 more yr. with him.

Isu has a much more passionate fan base...attractive to players. I dont believe 1 bit that that doesnt play a part in a kid's choice. Play in front of a packed house or not.
Not sure he'd do any better or worse.

The adv is he's younger.
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:17 PM   #28
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I guess I'm as pure as the driven snow, then.
College record. NBA record. Conference record. P5 record. Head to head record. You name it -- advantage Hoiberg. He's even won a conference tourney TITLE for every Big XII tourney win Lon has, and has done it in half the time.

There's really no objective argument that can be made for Lon. It's only the "I just feel it in my crimson bones" kinda stuff.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:27 AM   #29
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Guess my point is it might have been a bit easier to recruit to isu for basketball vs ou...who knows what he would do here.

Kind of like LR going to isu vs ou...ou has a name in football, kids see that.

I personally think LK is close to done. I don't care for his "learn on the court" style of coaching...only works if you have the right guys...which again the evaluation falls on him.

We'll see what happens next year.
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:32 AM   #30
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Lol...ok.

Ive actually been pretty vocal with criticism for LK...and am willing to see 1 more yr. with him.

Isu has a much more passionate fan base...attractive to players. I dont believe 1 bit that that doesnt play a part in a kid's choice. Play in front of a packed house or not.
Not sure he'd do any better or worse.

The adv is he's younger.
What will one more year tell you? It's not like we're trying to figure out if Lon is a solid coach or not, or if he can cut it. He's solid. We all know what we're getting with Lon. The question is, is that enough? For me, at this point, it's not. But I'm also 100% certain that Joe C. isn't going to push Lon out, in any capacity, while we're still at this level. It's just not going to happen. Too much respect. Lon will win again at OU. But if he stays long enough, he'll also fall back off again. It's what he does. I'd prefer to move on, but again, there is zero chance of that happening over the next couple of years, unless Lon is just ready to retire at that time (doubt he is).
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Old 03-22-2019, 10:25 AM   #31
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College record. NBA record. Conference record. P5 record. Head to head record. You name it -- advantage Hoiberg. He's even won a conference tourney TITLE for every Big XII tourney win Lon has, and has done it in half the time.

There's really no objective argument that can be made for Lon. It's only the "I just feel it in my crimson bones" kinda stuff.
You're using Hoiberg's short tenure as a point in his favor. If you compare Kruger's first five years at OU to Hoiberg's five years at ISU, you'll find Kruger had a better record everywhere except the conference tournament -- which he made up for by going to the Final Four.

Hoiberg may yet turn out better than Kruger, but he sure hasn't proved it.
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Old 03-22-2019, 11:29 AM   #32
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You're using Hoiberg's short tenure as a point in his favor. If you compare Kruger's first five years at OU to Hoiberg's five years at ISU, you'll find Kruger had a better record everywhere except the conference tournament -- which he made up for by going to the Final Four.

Hoiberg may yet turn out better than Kruger, but he sure hasn't proved it.
It's not just an OU vs ISU comparison. Lon has coached at a lot of P5 schools, and he's never matched Hoiberg's record. He did once at UNLV, but that's at a mid-major.

And the short tenure should be a disadvantage in some regards (Big XII tournament success), and has no relevance in others (H2H).

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Old 03-22-2019, 11:32 AM   #33
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Guess my point is it might have been a bit easier to recruit to isu for basketball vs ou...who knows what he would do here.

Kind of like LR going to isu vs ou...ou has a name in football, kids see that.

I personally think LK is close to done. I don't care for his "learn on the court" style of coaching...only works if you have the right guys...which again the evaluation falls on him.

We'll see what happens next year.
Pretending ISU is a better basketball school than OU is silly. It's not even close historically.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:11 PM   #34
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I don't know if Hoiberg is better than Lon. Let's see how Hoiberg's career stacks with Lon's when Fred has been coaching 30 years.

Both failed in the NBA so in that regard they are even.

Count me as one who doesn't expect Nebraska to be any better with Fred than without him.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:18 PM   #35
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Not saying I want Fred at OU (not saying I wouldn't), but I think it's pretty easy to say his upside, today, is higher than Lon's.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:36 PM   #36
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I don't know if Hoiberg is better than Lon. Let's see how Hoiberg's career stacks with Lon's when Fred has been coaching 30 years.

Both failed in the NBA so in that regard they are even.

Count me as one who doesn't expect Nebraska to be any better with Fred than without him.
Hoiberg didnt exactly fail in the pros. He only had one losing record in his 3 seasons, and that was with a gutted roster.

I'm not saying Hoiberg is a HOF coach if his career ended today, but he did appear to be one of the finest coaches in the country during his time at ISU.
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Old 03-23-2019, 07:36 AM   #37
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Pretending ISU is a better basketball school than OU is silly. It's not even close historically.
don't have the time to look it up....only talking about fans in seats...kids want to play in front of fans...kids now don't care what happened 20 yrs ago..about 5 yrs max I'd say.

yes, that isn't ALL but it's a part. Maybe back in Billy's days the arena was full..

lol, dang ya got me "defending" LK which I'm not wanting to do. I do think he's about done. We'll see what happens.

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Old 03-30-2019, 06:50 PM   #38
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Old 03-31-2019, 03:11 AM   #39
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They signed him. Waiting to announce.

What a time to be a Nebraska fan.
This is the one time I had inside information to share. May never happen again, so I wanted to draw attention to it.
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Old 03-31-2019, 06:04 AM   #40
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It's scary to think that Nebraska has never won an NCAA Tournament game. Let that sink in. Since Northwestern won their first a couple years back, I'm not sure any other P-5 school is still "o-fer". They have had their chances, most notably in 1994 when they were a #3 seed led by Eric Piatkowski. They actually sent 6-7 players to the NBA back in the 1990s (Tyrun Lue an Mikki Moore were a couple others).

I'd like to think Hoiberg will get them a few wins...but finishing in the top half of the Big 10 most years would seemingly be the high-end goal. It was a great hire for Nebraska, but I'm not seeing where he was the second best coach in the Big XII when he was at ISU. Self and Huggins are or will be in the HOF, so I have no idea how anyone else could be #2.
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Old 03-31-2019, 12:28 PM   #41
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It's scary to think that Nebraska has never won an NCAA Tournament game. Let that sink in. Since Northwestern won their first a couple years back, I'm not sure any other P-5 school is still "o-fer". They have had their chances, most notably in 1994 when they were a #3 seed led by Eric Piatkowski. They actually sent 6-7 players to the NBA back in the 1990s (Tyrun Lue an Mikki Moore were a couple others).

I'd like to think Hoiberg will get them a few wins...but finishing in the top half of the Big 10 most years would seemingly be the high-end goal. It was a great hire for Nebraska, but I'm not seeing where he was the second best coach in the Big XII when he was at ISU. Self and Huggins are or will be in the HOF, so I have no idea how anyone else could be #2.
Well, I don't completely disagree with the notion that Huggins was the second best coach, so I don't want to hop on that train at full speed. One thing I can't help but point out, though, is that after Hoiberg's first year, Huggins never once finished above Hoiberg in conference.
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Old 04-06-2019, 02:57 PM   #43
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1. A university or NBA team could pay that, not saying they would, but it doesn't have to come out of Hoiberg's pocket.
2. It's still strange that Hoiberg would agree to it. Did he have no better offers? There were myriad reports linking him to UCLA, which has now lost at least its 1st 2 choices. They didn't want him? Was he that desperate? It's been reported he doesn't like to recruit. Strange.
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1. A university or NBA team could pay that, not saying they would, but it doesn't have to come out of Hoiberg's pocket.
2. It's still strange that Hoiberg would agree to it. Did he have no better offers? There were myriad reports linking him to UCLA, which has now lost at least its 1st 2 choices. They didn't want him? Was he that desperate? It's been reported he doesn't like to recruit. Strange.
Is that a crazy buyout? I really don't know, but it sounds similar to Dixon's. Wasn't his 8M after 3 years? Granted, Dixon's was a big enough issue to scare even UCLA away, which I imagine is no small task.

Hoiberg was born in Lincoln, so I imagine this was one of his top choices. It's one of the best/most loyal fanbases, and the expectations are virtually non-existent.
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Old 04-06-2019, 03:14 PM   #45
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What’s old Hoibergs record in ncaa tourney, must have missed his final 4 appearance....could care less about meaningless big 12 tourney
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What’s old Hoibergs record in ncaa tourney, must have missed his final 4 appearance....could care less about meaningless big 12 tourney
Did Kruger go to a Final 4 in his first five seasons? Tubbs? Sampson? Coach K? Wright? Calhoun? Boeheim?
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Old 04-06-2019, 08:43 PM   #47
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I get it your ol hoibergs PR agent....how’s that .500 NCAA record you forgot, after all that great success in the lustrous big 12 tourney
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I get it your ol hoibergs PR agent....how’s that .500 NCAA record you forgot, after all that great success in the lustrous big 12 tourney
Have you ever heard of sample size?
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I get it your ol hoibergs PR agent....how’s that .500 NCAA record you forgot, after all that great success in the lustrous big 12 tourney
I just don't get the unnecessary snarkiness here. He disagreed so you decided to be a jerk. Why? There was no reason.

We're OU fans talking hoops. We can't do this without the constant snark? Does everyone always have to agree with you? If so, maybe the internet isn't the best place for you.
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Hoiberg - good coach/great people skills. His strengths go beyond the stats. not saying he's a god or anything ... just that someone who the media fancies can do a lot good for a school. Fred owns the intangibles category.
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