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Old 04-01-2019, 04:31 AM   #51
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FWIW, I was curious about the 2019 coaching turnover rate in the Power-5 conferences. So here goes.

Teams .. Conference .. Coaching Changes
15 .... ACC .... 0
14 .... B10 .... 1 (Nebraska)
10 .... B12 .... 0
12 .... PAC .... 3 (UCLA; Cal; Washington State)
14 .... SEC .... 4 (Arkansas; Alabama; aTm; Vandy)

65 .... P-5 .... 8

Did I miss anybody?

Note: Notre Dame is a full ACC participant in Basketball.
really should have the Big East in there .... they are every bit the Power conf in basketball
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Old 04-02-2019, 09:29 AM   #52
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really should have the Big East in there .... they are every bit the Power conf in basketball
Now that you mention it, I was not even sure which teams are in the Big East. I had to look it up. As best as I can determine, none of the 10 teams in the Big East are looking for a new head coach.

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http://www.bigeast.com/standings.aspx?standings=2
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Old 04-02-2019, 09:35 AM   #53
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UH, men's basketball coach Kelvin Sampson closing in on new deal


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The University of Houston and menís basketball coach Kelvin Sampson are closing in on a new contract that could be announced Tuesday, the Houston Chronicle has learned.

Representatives from both sides are reviewing details of the deal that would keep the 63-year-old Sampson at the school. UH made a six-year, $18 million offer to Sampson last week, which would put him among the top 21 highest paid coaches in the nation.

Under Sampson, UH went 33-4 this season, won the American Athletic Conference regular season title and advanced to the Sweet 16 for the first time since 1984.

Related Article:
UH seniors confident revived basketball program in good hands


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really should have the Big East in there .... they are every bit the Power conf in basketball
They're a tweener. A loaded mid-major, but a very weak P5.
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Great news on Kelvin and UH. I think he is a good fit there.
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I hope whatever deal he signs puts his salary ahead of Gregg Marshall's. Marshall is slightly over $3M/year because WSU was so desperate to keep him a while back when some P5 schools were interested. Not saying Marshall can't coach, but his track record pales in comparison to Kelvin's.
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They're a tweener. A loaded mid-major, but a very weak P5.
they have been one of the best conf in the country the since the new Big east formed

conf rankings of 4, 3, 4, 3, 2nd last year and 5th this year ..

ncaa bids 4, 6, 5, 7, 6, and 4 in a 10 team league

a little more than a mid major ...
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they have been one of the best conf in the country the since the new Big east formed

conf rankings of 4, 3, 4, 3, 2nd last year and 5th this year ..

ncaa bids 4, 6, 5, 7, 6, and 4 in a 10 team league

a little more than a mid major ...
Exactly. That's why I said a loaded mid-major/tweener.
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Great news on Kelvin and UH. I think he is a good fit there.
good for Kelvin, he will turn 64 at the start of next season, has a good thing going at UH, enjoy the final years of your career instead of the stress of another rebuild
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Outside of the fact that the Big East has a truly elite program in Villanova, their only real strength is depth. They don't have the pushovers at the bottom that most mid-majors have, but let's take a look at their bottom 5, and compare it to the Big XII (since they're similarly structured conferences).

Seton Hall, St Johns, Butler, Providence, DePaul.

Texas, Oklahoma, TCU, OSU, WVU.

It's not even close. The Big East is the midmajor version of the Big XII. This has been a ho-hum year by OU standards, but I believe we'd have finished second in the Big East, and you'd be really hard-pressed to make an argument we'd have ended up below 3.
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Exactly. That's why I said a loaded mid-major/tweener.
they have been better than several power 5's every year they have been around expect 1 and even that year they are better than 1


ie they would not be power conf 5 or 4 out of 6
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Outside of the fact that the Big East has a truly elite program in Villanova, their only real strength is depth. They don't have the pushovers at the bottom that most mid-majors have, but let's take a look at their bottom 5, and compare it to the Big XII (since they're similarly structured conferences).

Seton Hall, St Johns, Butler, Providence, DePaul.

Texas, Oklahoma, TCU, OSU, WVU.

It's not even close. The Big East is the midmajor version of the Big XII. This has been a ho-hum year by OU standards, but I believe we'd have finished second in the Big East, and you'd be really hard-pressed to make an argument we'd have ended up below 3.
well the big 12 has been the best power basketball conf so
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average conf ratings last 6 years

BIG12 1.167
ACC 2.834
Big East 3.334
BIG10 4.0
PAC12 4.834
SEC 5.167

so yeah the 3rd best league sense it formed
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:53 AM   #64
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average conf ratings last 6 years

BIG12 1.167
ACC 2.834
Big East 3.334
BIG10 4.0
PAC12 4.834
SEC 5.167

so yeah the 3rd best league sense it formed
You genuinely believe the Big East is the 3rd best basketball conference in the country? The Big East can't compete with the Big XII, ACC, or Big 10, and I'm amazed anybody would even argue that. Even the SEC had four teams that were head and shoulders above anything the Big East put out this year. The Big East is far closer to the AAC than they are the Big XII, ACC, or Big 10.
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You genuinely believe the Big East is the 3rd best basketball conference in the country? The Big East can't compete with the Big XII, ACC, or Big 10, and I'm amazed anybody would even argue that. Even the SEC had four teams that were head and shoulders above anything the Big East put out this year. The Big East is far closer to the AAC than they are the Big XII, ACC, or Big 10.
I don't remember which side of the argument you were on in regards to the Big 12, but you just supported my belief that the Big 12 isn't the best (or toughest) conference.

Nobody cares how good/bad the bottom teams in the conference are. They care about the top teams.
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I don't remember which side of the argument you were on in regards to the Big 12, but you just supported my belief that the Big 12 isn't the best (or toughest) conference.

Nobody cares how good/bad the bottom teams in the conference are. They care about the top teams.
Actually, the vast majority of people do.
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I don't remember which side of the argument you were on in regards to the Big 12, but you just supported my belief that the Big 12 isn't the best (or toughest) conference.

Nobody cares how good/bad the bottom teams in the conference are. They care about the top teams.
This has been debated ad nauseam on here, and I don't wanna crawl back down that hole again. I will say that I'm on the side that believes the way our conference is structured leads to an inflated RPI conference rating. I think most on here, even those that firmly believe the Big XII is the best conference, will admit that the rankings mentioned earlier in this thread show an exaggerated gap between the Big XII vs the ACC and B10.

The Big East has a set up that is almost as similar as you can get, yet aren't even in the same stratosphere as us in computer conference rankings. I think that's very telling.
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This has been debated ad nauseam on here, and I don't wanna crawl back down that hole again. I will say that I'm on the side that believes the way our conference is structured leads to an inflated RPI conference rating. I think most on here, even those that firmly believe the Big XII is the best conference, will admit that the rankings mentioned earlier in this thread show an exaggerated gap between the Big XII vs the ACC and B10.

The Big East has a set up that is almost as similar as you can get, yet aren't even in the same stratosphere as us in computer conference rankings. I think that's very telling.
I can agree with that.
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This has been debated ad nauseam on here, and I don't wanna crawl back down that hole again. I will say that I'm on the side that believes the way our conference is structured leads to an inflated RPI conference rating. I think most on here, even those that firmly believe the Big XII is the best conference, will admit that the rankings mentioned earlier in this thread show an exaggerated gap between the Big XII vs the ACC and B10.

The Big East has a set up that is almost as similar as you can get, yet aren't even in the same stratosphere as us in computer conference rankings. I think that's very telling.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that the way our conference is structured leads to an inflated RPI. The RPI is based almost entirely off nonconference performance, since once conference play starts, league teams automatically go .500 against each other. How does the Big 12 have any advantage over other conferences in that regard? I guess my take is that the reason the league always does well in the RPI is because we generally don't have any crappy teams that get beat up in nonconference play. But like you say, this is getting off topic for this thread, so we don't have to continue this discussion here.
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that the way our conference is structured leads to an inflated RPI. The RPI is based almost entirely off nonconference performance, since once conference play starts, league teams automatically go .500 against each other. How does the Big 12 have any advantage over other conferences in that regard? I guess my take is that the reason the league always does well in the RPI is because we generally don't have any crappy teams that get beat up in nonconference play. But like you say, this is getting off topic for this thread, so we don't have to continue this discussion here.
I think we pretty much agree. I don't mean it so much in regards to how conference play is set up, but rather how the conference itself has aligned. With the Big XII, it was purely a coincidence, but realignment has allowed the basketball conference to cut deadweight programs like Nebraska. Granted, they took on more deadweight with TCU, but as long as Dixon is around, that's no longer the case.

When I look at the Big East, I just see a bad version of the Big XII. They have one of the best programs in the country (like Kansas), and then there isn't much separation between 2-8 (St. Johns kinda sucks, and Depaul really, really sucks). You have a bunch schools like Marquette, Georgetown, Xavier, Butler, etc. that are respectable, but none of them really blow you away. It's not a coincidence that nobody in that conference finished below 7-11. Two of the programs that tied for last are Providence and Butler, and this snaps streaks of 4-5 consecutive NCAA tournament apperances for both programs. It's the mid-major version of the Big XII.
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You genuinely believe the Big East is the 3rd best basketball conference in the country? The Big East can't compete with the Big XII, ACC, or Big 10, and I'm amazed anybody would even argue that. Even the SEC had four teams that were head and shoulders above anything the Big East put out this year. The Big East is far closer to the AAC than they are the Big XII, ACC, or Big 10.
the AAC? that is delusional


again this is not a 1 year conversation the point in the Big east is clearly one of the Power 6 basketball conf

and is not ranked 6th of those 6 .. in any metric
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Buzz Williams to Texas A&M
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Buzz Williams to Texas A&M
Good move for both Buzz and aTm, I'd think. He should do pretty well there. A lot easier to win in the SEC than going against Duke, NC, and UVA every season.
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Dixon to UCLA a possiblity. Would be a huge blow to TCU.
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the AAC? that is delusional


again this is not a 1 year conversation the point in the Big east is clearly one of the Power 6 basketball conf

and is not ranked 6th of those 6 .. in any metric
Houston, UConn, Wichita State, Memphis, Cincy? Sounds like the Big East to me. The only thing that separates them is Villanova.
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