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Old 03-31-2020, 04:20 PM   #2451
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Show me one quote where President Obama led off by saying “I know more about [insert topic| than anyone...” and then went on to prove that he’s a complete idiot about said topic. Trump does it almost daily. Also, at least President Obama had the grace to apologize to people he inadvertently offended. Let me know when Trump apologizes to anyone for his vile behavior. He screams at journalists just trying to do their jobs every day.

Of course, you guys always bring up the 57 states thing, as if anyone on earth believes he doesn’t know how many states there are. He clearly misspoke. Trump doesn’t misspeak, he’s just an imbecile and a toxic narcissist.

Personally, I do not give a Goddamn that Obama had gaffes for it is 100% irrelevant and that was obviously my point. The point is many people ,and they know who they are, find themselves faced with the decision of either they want to be Buffy or Sissy.

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Old 03-31-2020, 04:23 PM   #2452
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Personally, I do not give a Goddamn that Obama had gaffes for it is 100% irrelevant and that was obviously my point. The point is many people , and they know who they are, find themselves faced with the decision of either they want to be Buffy or a Sissy.
Itís so irrelevant that you spent an hour looking up quotes and pasting them here

Im not talking about gaffes. Every person who has 8 years of scrutiny is going to have a few gaffes. Iím talking about a full display of complete idiocy that we see every day now.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:29 PM   #2453
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Just checked, in Oklahoma we went from 16 total Covid-19 deaths yesterday, now we are 23. It seems to be accelerating here. I also learned that my daughter’s ex-boyfriend has tested positive. She hasn’t seen him, thank god, but she stays in contact by text. He is very sick. She said if he doesn’t improve my tomorrow they are going to take him back to the hospital. He’s 23, he’s a little overweight but no other underlying conditions that I know of. It’s getting real.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:30 PM   #2454
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Just a joke. Okay?

Is it all about the "stock market."
Lol. As someone whose career depends on it, maybe so. I always like to look at the market reaction to speeches as it is like a realtime Gallup poll.

But joke or markets aside, I think this is the kind of information the American public needs. The hard facts and cold truth, data to support why we are doing the sacrifices, and encouragement that we will get through this.

It is also why I have felt Pence and the doctors need to handle the updates on their own. They do a great job. It is better without Trump being there, but his ego wouldn't allow the spotlight to shine on someone else, and without rallies, it is his way to connect and stay relevant and in front of the people.

Like him or not, no President has ever communicated with the American public as much and as regularly as he does. That's not always a good thing, but it is his mark on the presidency.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:33 PM   #2455
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Just checked, in Oklahoma we went from 16 total Covid-19 deaths yesterday, now we are 23. It seems to be accelerating here. I also learned that my daughterís ex-boyfriend has tested positive. She hasnít seen him, thank god, but she stays in contact by text. He is very sick. She said if he doesnít improve my tomorrow they are going to take him back to the hospital. Heís 23, heís a little overweight but no other underlying conditions that I know of. Itís getting real.
Yep, all those tests we got in OK is showing in the daily increase in cases. The alarming thing is the % of deaths, especially compared to similar states in population, density, and land size. Ours is 2.5-3 x the national average. Look at AR, KY, IA, MN- our numbers don't look good.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:36 PM   #2456
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It’s so irrelevant that you spent an hour looking up quotes and pasting them here

Im not talking about gaffes. Every person who has 8 years of scrutiny is going to have a few gaffes. I’m talking about a full display of complete idiocy that we see every day now.
It took five minutes.

Making fun of those in the special olympics is not a gaffe. I am not bothered by him doing so. I do not think he was purposely being hurtful. I accept it for what it is. I did not arrive at this basis based on whether I like him or not for I don't have to dishonestly slant,pervert or exaggerate the truth to make my life complete.

The relevance is trying to show how people insist on getting their collective panties in a bind. The irrelevance is to not make a mountain out of a mole hill. People who insist on their lives being a rewarding one or unrewarding one based upon hanging on to every word uttered by an individual shows the lack of focus they have.

There is nothing in your life before/after Trump that you did efficiently, or well, which has been altered. You are just as good and proficient at your job, relationship, fathering, fishing etc. It's all in your head.

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Old 03-31-2020, 04:39 PM   #2457
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Yep, all those tests we got in OK is showing in the daily increase in cases. The alarming thing is the % of deaths, especially compared to similar states in population, density, and land size. Ours is 2.5-3 x the national average. Look at AR, KY, IA, MN- our numbers don't look good.
I think the reason our deaths are so much higher is because we have many undiagnosed cases because 2 things: 1. Our testing regimen has been way behind the curve and 2. The governor has been late to shut the state down.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:41 PM   #2458
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Lol. As someone whose career depends on it, maybe so. I always like to look at the market reaction to speeches as it is like a realtime Gallup poll.

But joke or markets aside, I think this is the kind of information the American public needs. The hard facts and cold truth, data to support why we are doing the sacrifices, and encouragement that we will get through this.

It is also why I have felt Pence and the doctors need to handle the updates on their own. They do a great job. It is better without Trump being there, but his ego wouldn't allow the spotlight to shine on someone else, and without rallies, it is his way to connect and stay relevant and in front of the people.

Like him or not, no President has ever communicated with the American public as much and as regularly as he does. That's not always a good thing, but it is his mark on the presidency.
Some on the other board thought the markets would sell off on Monday because of the extension to the 30th of April. I thought it added clarity which the markets tend to like versus the opposite.
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Some on the other board thought the markets would sell off on Monday because of the extension to the 30th of April. I thought it added clarity which the markets tend to like versus the opposite.
Agreed, as the government has gotten better with a response, there have been stimulus packages, and as things are better defined, the market has responded positively. If you notice, it didn't dip on the unemployment claims last week, although it was terrible news. The market hates uncertainty.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:45 PM   #2460
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Lol.


Like him or not, no President has ever communicated with the American public as much and as regularly as he does. That's not always a good thing, but it is his mark on the presidency.
Some would call that transparency. The other side of the coin will contend he is not. Who would have thought.
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I think the reason our deaths are so much higher is because we have many undiagnosed cases because 2 things: 1. Our testing regimen has been way behind the curve and 2. The governor has been late to shut the state down.
Maybe so.

Don't get me started on the governor. On TOS, someone asked why the Stitt bashing, what has he done wrong. My response was almost as long as War & Peace.
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Some would call that transparency. The other side of the coin will contend he is not. Who would have thought.
I will walk the line on this one. While frequent is communication is great, it doesn't make it transparent. It is only transparency if it is open, honest, and not exaggerated.

At the same time, those who whine about not having daily press briefings by the Press Secretary are just ludicrous. Who needs them when the President communicates as often as he does.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:52 PM   #2463
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Maybe so.

Don't get me started on the governor. On TOS, someone asked why the Stitt bashing, what has he done wrong. My response was almost as long as War & Peace.
You could watch the movie. Reference to a "Cheers" episode!
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Old 03-31-2020, 05:44 PM   #2464
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And all of the above because "some" people cried.


LBJ meant well with civil rights but his method of going about it hurt blacks in a number of ways.


Before:most children (70%) came from a two parent family. After (30%).

Before: less % of black population in jail. after: more

Before: less black unemployment. after:more
The marriage stat is just more modern society. Divorce becoming more socially acceptable. Bill Clinton did more to contribute to mass incarceration than anyone else. It's all systemic to the same problem, though.

And you mean all of the above happened because someone cried? What do you mean? Societal progress? If that's all it takes, I will start crying right now. Let's go forward and stop this Trump absurdity of going backwards.
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The marriage stat is just more modern society. Divorce becoming more socially acceptable. Bill Clinton did more to contribute to mass incarceration than anyone else. It's all systemic to the same problem, though.

And you mean all of the above happened because someone cried? What do you mean? Societal progress? If that's all it takes, I will start crying right now. Let's go forward and stop this Trump absurdity of going backwards.

No. The crying reference was in response to the litany of statements you cited by Trump. The "crying comment" had nothing to do with civil rights. If I am misunderstanding your response then please correct me.

And how was dinner? Sloppy Joes?
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No. The crying reference was in response to the litany of statements you cited by Trump. The "crying comment" had nothing to do with civil rights. If I am misunderstanding your response then please correct me.

And how was dinner? Sloppy Joes?
We had chicken fajitas... the night before I made a killer jambalaya.
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We had chicken fajitas... the night before I made a killer jambalaya.

I'm jealous. Does the jambalaya repeat?

And to correct myself. The crying comment dealt with the poster who mentioned election night. It had nothing to do with the list you submitted.

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  • LBJ brought the Civil Rights Act of 1965. That changed the fabric of America.
  • LBJ brought the Elementary and Secondary Education Act
  • LBJ brought Medicare... This changed America in a drastic way. Which of you seniors or soon to be seniors wants to abandon Medicare?
  • LBJ brought lots of consumer protections like "Truth in Lending", the Federal Trade Commission, and many other consumer protections
  • LBJ brought the Clean Air Act of 1963, The Endangered Species of Act of 1973, the Wild Rivers Act, Land and Water Conservation Act, the first national Vehicle emissions standards act, and many other environmental protections

I was too young when LBJ was President, so I have no first-hand opinion. Here is what I read about him in Lee Iacocca's book titled "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?". That book was written near the end of George W Bush's 2nd term. Lee was clearly angry with Bush, so it would be a huge stretch to think he had it out for a particular democrat. In the book, Iacocca mentioned that a lifelong friend of his was in LBJ's inner circle. There was a small window of time between when he took over as President and General Douglas MacArthur passed away. LBJ and Lee's friend visited MacArthur at his home in NY because LBJ was looking for some advice about Vietnam. Verbatim, here is what the elderly MacArthur told him: "Sonny, whatever you do, DO NOT START A LAND WAR IN ASIA!" Upon leaving, LBJ turns to Lee's friend and says: "I'm President of the United States. Can you believe he called me SONNY?" Apparently, LBJ didn't grasp the more significant point of that sentence.

I know LBJ did a lot for this country, but it's not debatable that Vietnam was his albatross. I can't begin to imagine what was going through the minds of people reading that line from MacArthur who lost a loved one in Vietnam (or by suicide after the war).
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I'm jealous. Does the jambalaya repeat?

And to correct myself. The crying comment dealt with the poster who mentioned election night.. It had nothing to do with the list you submitted.
Whats funny about the jambalaya is that I totally invented it.... we had a package of italian sausages... 4 skewers of cajun seasoned shrimp from the Reasors meat counter... and some packages of 90 second Uncle Bens microwave jambalaya rice... All of those things had a different purpose in mind, but I ran with it.

Grilled the sausage and shrimp outside on the grill... made the rice in microwave... added 2 cans of chipotle Rotel to the rice, and mixed it all together.

Sounds crazy..... But I kid you not, it was awesome. Shrimp and sausage were cooked perfectly, the rice blended well, and it was spicy as hell. It's gonna be a new thing and it was a total Heinz-57 deal that was not planned.
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I was too young when LBJ was President, so I have no first-hand opinion. Here is what I read about him in Lee Iacocca's book titled "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?". That book was written near the end of George W Bush's 2nd term. Lee was clearly angry with Bush, so it would be a huge stretch to think he had it out for a particular democrat. In the book, Iacocca mentioned that a lifelong friend of his was in LBJ's inner circle. There was a small window of time between when he took over as President and General Douglas MacArthur passed away. LBJ and Lee's friend visited MacArthur at his home in NY because LBJ was looking for some advice about Vietnam. Verbatim, here is what the elderly MacArthur told him: "Sonny, whatever you do, DO NOT START A LAND WAR IN ASIA!" Upon leaving, LBJ turns to Lee's friend and says: "I'm President of the United States. Can you believe he called me SONNY?" Apparently, LBJ didn't grasp the more significant point of that sentence.

I know LBJ did a lot for this country, but it's not debatable that Vietnam was his albatross. I can't begin to imagine what was going through the minds of people reading that line from MacArthur who lost a loved one in Vietnam (or by suicide after the war).
I know, and I hate the Vietnam war. I hate it more than lots of others wars that I hate, like Iraq in 2003. I hate that LBJ's legacy (and its an amazing domestic legacy) is tainted by the war. The war itself was so unjust, cruel, horrible, etc that it's shameful it happened. It is a black eye on our history.

The Ken Burns PBS documentary on the Vietnam War should be a must-watch for all Americans... it's currently on Netflix if you haven't seen it. It's a great watch.

Also, you should watch "The 13th" on Netflix... Awesome documentary about the 13th Amendment.
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Whats funny about the jambalaya is that I totally invented it.... we had a package of italian sausages... 4 skewers of cajun seasoned shrimp from the Reasors meat counter... and some packages of 90 second Uncle Bens microwave jambalaya rice... All of those things had a different purpose in mind, but I ran with it.

Grilled the sausage and shrimp outside on the grill... made the rice in microwave... added 2 cans of chipotle Rotel to the rice, and mixed it all together.

Sounds crazy..... But I kid you not, it was awesome. Shrimp and sausage were cooked perfectly, the rice blended well, and it was spicy as hell. It's gonna be a new thing and it was a total Heinz-57 deal that was not planned.
Sounds like you should be on "Diners Drive-Ins and Dives." In all honesty, there are so many meals which can be thrown together ,as you did, and the belly welcomes it with open mouth. Did the wife at least supply you with your favorite beverage afterwards.

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I know, and I hate the Vietnam war. I hate it more than lots of others wars that I hate, like Iraq in 2003. I hate that LBJ's legacy (and its an amazing domestic legacy) is tainted by the war. The war itself was so unjust, cruel, horrible, etc that it's shameful it happened. It is a black eye on our history.

The Ken Burns PBS documentary on the Vietnam War should be a must-watch for all Americans... it's currently on Netflix if you haven't seen it. It's a great watch.

Also, you should watch "The 13th" on Netflix... Awesome documentary about the 13th Amendment.
Thanks for sharing. I'll watch it. Yes, history shows that LBJ was a strong domestic President. Otherwise RFK would not have been in position to win the 1968 election by a landslide (which he would have). Regardless, you are correct in that his legacy was tainted by that war.
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I found the corona virus press conference to actually be decent and informative foday. In fact, I thought it was trump's best to date by far. He seemed intelligent about the issues and much more mentally alert than normal. Almost presidential even. but I'm not gonna go too far.
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Speaking of Vietnam, the most deadly day of the war in Vietnam, 246 Americans were killed or mortally wounded, January 31st, 1968 at the start of the Tet Offensive.

Today nearly 900 Americans died of Covid-19.
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In a perfect world, the dumbest person in America and the President of the United States are two different people. But, thats the hand we were dealt.
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