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Old 11-12-2021, 10:45 PM   #26
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O'Garro did not play in the first San Jose St game last night

Williams had 31 8 and 4 ast 3 steals in his second game at Wake
Manek didn't start but had 14 and 8 with 2 blocks off the bench
Kuath had 0 points 4 boards
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Old 11-13-2021, 01:05 PM   #27
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Harmon 2-6 5 points in 30 min last night
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:12 PM   #28
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Anyone have any insight as to why so many of our players left. I know a coaching change often leads to transfers but we had way more than usual.
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:35 PM   #29
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Anyone have any insight as to why so many of our players left. I know a coaching change often leads to transfers but we had way more than usual.
No insight but I think it’s a combination of the coaching change, immediate eligibility (which didn’t exist in the past), and the fact three of the guys who left were super seniors who probably felt like a change was in order.
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Old 11-15-2021, 06:59 AM   #30
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No insight but I think it’s a combination of the coaching change, immediate eligibility (which didn’t exist in the past), and the fact three of the guys who left were super seniors who probably felt like a change was in order.
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:43 AM   #31
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:43 AM   #32
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Anyone have any insight as to why so many of our players left. I know a coaching change often leads to transfers but we had way more than usual.
Trey- although i think he can play here. Kid moved back closer to home and wide open offense. lower level school.

Kur- Doesnt really fit here with this offense. start fresh somewhere else.

Manek- How could you turn down UNC? He was a punching boy here for many and believe it or not. that takes a toll on kids. He was "wanted" somewhere else and its pretty dang cool to be wanted by UNC from small town Harrah.

Merritt- cant play here

Williams- not really sure. fresh start. closer to home maybe?

Ogarro- not ou level

Vic- Hartman croot.

Harmon- Interesting note. I spoke to a current players parent and was told Harmon wanted to stay but his parents made him leave for Oregon. If i remember correctly, porter was sure he was coming back from conversations with DH, then it came out that he was looking if NBA didnt work out.
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Trey- although i think he can play here. Kid moved back closer to home and wide open offense. lower level school.

Kur- Doesnt really fit here with this offense. start fresh somewhere else.

Manek- How could you turn down UNC? He was a punching boy here for many and believe it or not. that takes a toll on kids. He was "wanted" somewhere else and its pretty dang cool to be wanted by UNC from small town Harrah.

Merritt- cant play here

Williams- not really sure. fresh start. closer to home maybe?

Ogarro- not ou level

Vic- Hartman croot.

Harmon- Interesting note. I spoke to a current players parent and was told Harmon wanted to stay but his parents made him leave for Oregon. If i remember correctly, porter was sure he was coming back from conversations with DH, then it came out that he was looking if NBA didnt work out.
It's too bad about Harmon. I really think He would fit in with Moser's mindset on offense and defense.
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Old 11-15-2021, 10:08 AM   #34
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The whole "fresh start" some guys were reportedly looking for -- doesn't a new coaching staff qualify? I guess not.

And I wonder what in the world was behind Harmon's parents insisting he leave OU. I was never a good at sports, nor were any of my siblings, so my folks never faced the challenge of parenting an elite athlete, but I can guarantee they never would have interfered in that way. They'd have offered guidance, of course, but in the end, the decision would have been mine.
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Old 11-15-2021, 01:53 PM   #35
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It's amazing how many parents think if the kid is at a different program he will be a pro vs. the one he has been playing. Harmon's family thought he was one and done. He has been a very good player but at best will be a rotation guy in the league. My guess is probably be lucky to be a two way player.
Manek was a punching boy for the fans. He also was to himself. Wish he had stayed but it was probably best for his mental health to be elsewhere and NC is a great place.
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Old 11-15-2021, 02:32 PM   #36
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Manek was a punching boy for the fans. He also was to himself. Wish he had stayed but it was probably best for his mental health to be elsewhere and NC is a great place.
Manek's last season with COVID and lung injury (IIRC) was a nightmare. Good to have a new environment and reset for him.
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Old 11-15-2021, 08:26 PM   #37
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Kur Kuath is now with Marquette and they just defeated #10 Illinois, 67-66.

Kur started and had:
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2 steals
5 blocks (!)

His defense really dominated late and Illinois went the final 5 and a half minutes without a field goal.
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Kur Kuath is now with Marquette and they just defeated #10 Illinois, 67-66.

Kur started and had:
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2 steals
5 blocks (!)

His defense really dominated late and Illinois went the final 5 and a half minutes without a field goal.
Careful now, all those who preach on the board that rim protection doesn’t matter will be very angry at you for praising Kur for making what was obviously a huge impact on that game.
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:19 PM   #39
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i can't believe mcgusty and shepard are still around lol. seems like ages ago
I'm pretty sure they played for Sampson.
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:21 PM   #40
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Kur Kuath is now with Marquette and they just defeated #10 Illinois, 67-66.

Kur started and had:
7 points
5 rebounds
2 steals
5 blocks (!)

His defense really dominated late and Illinois went the final 5 and a half minutes without a field goal.
That's what happens when you have a great head coach. Hope that guy never joins our conference.
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:23 PM   #41
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Harmon- Interesting note. I spoke to a current players parent and was told Harmon wanted to stay but his parents made him leave for Oregon. If i remember correctly, porter was sure he was coming back from conversations with DH, then it came out that he was looking if NBA didnt work out.
Parents made him? Sounds like a chump.
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It's amazing how many parents think if the kid is at a different program he will be a pro vs. the one he has been playing. Harmon's family thought he was one and done. He has been a very good player but at best will be a rotation guy in the league. My guess is probably be lucky to be a two way player.
Manek was a punching boy for the fans. He also was to himself. Wish he had stayed but it was probably best for his mental health to be elsewhere and NC is a great place.
For a guy Harmon’s size to make the NBA, he needs to either be a superb athlete, an absolute knockdown shooter, or have some other elite skill(s). I like Harmon as a college player and was disappointed he left because he could have really helped us, but I see no chance he will ever play in the league unless something drastically changes.
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Kur was dominant on D against the Illini. A real rim protector.
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Kur was dominant on D against the Illini. A real rim protector.
7 points 5 boards 5 blocks and 2 steals ..

also keep in mind the Illinois All american center was out .. (he has to miss the first 3 games because he sold apparel a month before NIL started)
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Old 11-16-2021, 07:23 AM   #45
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JB at UTEP 13 points in a loss to NMST

Shepherd at Cal 14 points in a win vs san diego
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The whole "fresh start" some guys were reportedly looking for -- doesn't a new coaching staff qualify? I guess not.

And I wonder what in the world was behind Harmon's parents insisting he leave OU. I was never a good at sports, nor were any of my siblings, so my folks never faced the challenge of parenting an elite athlete, but I can guarantee they never would have interfered in that way. They'd have offered guidance, of course, but in the end, the decision would have been mine.
Fresh start with their choice of program/coach vs. Fresh start with provided coach - i think that is the difference for that argument
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Fresh start with their choice of program/coach vs. Fresh start with provided coach - i think that is the difference for that argument
Then the question is (and I'm not convinced it can be answered with certainty -- or that it need be answered at all), how many of those players would have remained at OU if Kruger hadn't retired. Would they have pursued fresh starts regardless of who was coaching at OU?

Either way, I'm not assigning blame to Coach Moser for their departure -- I just wish some of those guys were still with us. But I'm sure he did all he could to convince them to stay (and he succeeded with several guys).
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how many of those players would have remained at OU if Kruger hadn't retired. Would they have pursued fresh starts regardless of who was coaching at OU?
Manek was 50/50 and IMHO he would have stayed

Williams i think would have stayed ...

if the staff stayed the same Harmon would have stayed ..

and Vic would have stayed

Kur i don't have any idea ..
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That's what happens when you have a great head coach. Hope that guy never joins our conference.
lol well played ..
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