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Old 02-02-2020, 11:43 AM   #26
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Neutral court? Trolling, right?

Houston got beat by osu. Let me repeat that, the same osu team who is 0-8 in the big12 comfortably beat Houston, who is top 3 in the american.
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Old 02-02-2020, 01:00 PM   #27
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TU plays hard every night unlike the other teams in the state. They are fun to watch. Was it fun watching Manek and Doo against K-State?
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TU plays hard every night unlike the other teams in the state. They are fun to watch. Was it fun watching Manek and Doo against K-State?
Probably as fun as it was watching Tulsa lose to Arkansas State and Texas-Arlington. And I have to wonder how hard Tulsa played in its 31-point loss to Cincy.
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Probably as fun as it was watching Tulsa lose to Arkansas State and Texas-Arlington. And I have to wonder how hard Tulsa played in its 31-point loss to Cincy.
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OU would be in the mix to challenge for the American. OU is better than Cincy, Tulsa and SMU. The games with Wichita and Houston could go either way....as we've already witnessed earlier this year against Wichita.

And yes, the American is a good league this year. I would definitely put them behind the Big 12, Big 10, Big East, PAC, and ACC. But they are pretty close to the SEC along with the West Coast Conference.
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Was it not a neutral court?

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Thanks for some reality-based commentary. It’s so predictable, we win one game against a horrible team and the usual suspects are way out over their skis sending their expectations through the roof and crowning us an amazing team full of NBA talent.
You would think this is hyperbole, but it's not. Beat a team that might not win a game and now everything is ok again, Austin Reaves is apparently headed to the NBA because he dunked on a breakaway and actually made a shot, etc.

To finish my thoughts on Tulsa, they are a good team in the American. That is what they are supposed to. Most teams are limited by the league the play in, with a few exceptions like Gonzaga and some others... Otherwise, top to bottom more talent wants to play in P5 leagues.

Tulsa is doing a good job in their league, and on a given night anyone can lose in college basketball. Stephen F. Austin beat Duke, etc.

William and Mary just lost by 23 to Hofstra
Oregon State is 13-9 and falling apart
UCF is 11-10 and probably the worst team in the American.. That means OU lost to Wichita State and beat the worst team in the American by 1 and got kinda lucky to do it... Yet you guys laugh about the American.
Minnesota is 11-10 and is terrible
Missouri is 10-11 and horrible

The only good team OU has beaten this year is Mississippi State 1... That's it.

Beating Wichita State is a good win... beating Houston is a good win... beating Memphis by 40 is a good win. It's not a "Tulsa is better haha OU" thing... it just it what it is.

OU has not beaten anyone that a pundit would be call "good" this year.

Name one team OU has beaten that will go to the NCAA Tournament for certain? I don't know anyone other than Mississippi State.

Am I wrong on that?
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Was it not a neutral court?



You would think this is hyperbole, but it's not. Beat a team that might not win a game and now everything is ok again, Austin Reaves is apparently headed to the NBA because he dunked on a breakaway and actually made a shot, etc.

To finish my thoughts on Tulsa, they are a good team in the American. That is what they are supposed to. Most teams are limited by the league the play in, with a few exceptions like Gonzaga and some others... Otherwise, top to bottom more talent wants to play in P5 leagues.

Tulsa is doing a good job in their league, and on a given night anyone can lose in college basketball. Stephen F. Austin beat Duke, etc.

William and Mary just lost by 23 to Hofstra
Oregon State is 13-9 and falling apart
UCF is 11-10 and probably the worst team in the American.. That means OU lost to Wichita State and beat the worst team in the American by 1 and got kinda lucky to do it... Yet you guys laugh about the American.
Minnesota is 11-10 and is terrible
Missouri is 10-11 and horrible

The only good team OU has beaten this year is Mississippi State at home by 1... That's it.

Beating Wichita State is a good win... beating Houston is a good win... beating Memphis by 40 is a good win. It's not a "Tulsa is better haha OU" thing... it just it what it is.

OU has not beaten anyone that a pundit would be call "good" this year.

Name one team OU has beaten that will go to the NCAA Tournament for certain? I don't know anyone other than Mississippi State.

Am I wrong on that?
Wait?

OU gets to claim OKC as home game but WSU doesn’t get Wichita as home game?

You’re better than this..... moving goal posts
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Old 02-02-2020, 02:09 PM   #33
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Wait?

OU gets to claim OKC as home game but WSU doesn’t get Wichita as home game?

You’re better than this..... moving goal posts
Ok, I fixed the most minor part of that post... I know you chose it because you can't refute the primary claim that OU has defeated 1 NCAA Tournament worthy team this season by 1 point. That's it. There is nothing else to say.
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Was it not a neutral court?



You would think this is hyperbole, but it's not. Beat a team that might not win a game and now everything is ok again, Austin Reaves is apparently headed to the NBA because he dunked on a breakaway and actually made a shot, etc.

To finish my thoughts on Tulsa, they are a good team in the American. That is what they are supposed to. Most teams are limited by the league the play in, with a few exceptions like Gonzaga and some others... Otherwise, top to bottom more talent wants to play in P5 leagues.

Tulsa is doing a good job in their league, and on a given night anyone can lose in college basketball. Stephen F. Austin beat Duke, etc.

William and Mary just lost by 23 to Hofstra
Oregon State is 13-9 and falling apart
UCF is 11-10 and probably the worst team in the American.. That means OU lost to Wichita State and beat the worst team in the American by 1 and got kinda lucky to do it... Yet you guys laugh about the American.
Minnesota is 11-10 and is terrible
Missouri is 10-11 and horrible

The only good team OU has beaten this year is Mississippi State at home by 1... That's it.

Beating Wichita State is a good win... beating Houston is a good win... beating Memphis by 40 is a good win. It's not a "Tulsa is better haha OU" thing... it just it what it is.

OU has not beaten anyone that a pundit would be call "good" this year.

Name one team OU has beaten that will go to the NCAA Tournament for certain? I don't know anyone other than Mississippi State.

Am I wrong on that?
I will agree with some of what you're saying. I am not a big fan of one game sample sizes, but OU did struggle to beat some mediocre (or less) teams that they should have handled better....no question

Still, the non-conference schedule was really good because we only played two horrid teams (UTRGV and UMES). We didn't play any great teams, but three of the four best teams we played....we lost. However, those three losses were all away from home....and who knows the outcome if they were played at/near home. And BTW, all four of those teams are tournament teams. Minnesota is still a Q-1 win even though they are struggling.

Outside of Miss State, OU hasn't beaten a tournament type team although the win at Texas is a "tournament" type of win. And....gasp, I think Texas might sneak into the tournament despite horrible coaching. They look like they are getting their act together somewhat.

The silver lining is that OU has (7) more Q-1 opportunities to go along with (2) more Q-2 opportunities. I agree with you....they need some big scalps to for not only "tournament-worthiness", but more for confidence.
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I will agree with some of what you're saying. I am not a big fan of one game sample sizes, but OU did struggle to beat some mediocre (or less) teams that they should have handled better....no question

Still, the non-conference schedule was really good because we only played two horrid teams (UTRGV and UMES). We didn't play any great teams, but three of the four best teams we played....we lost. However, those three losses were all away from home....and who knows the outcome if they were played at/near home. And BTW, all four of those teams are tournament teams. Minnesota is still a Q-1 win even though they are struggling.

Outside of Miss State, OU hasn't beaten a tournament type team although the win at Texas is a "tournament" type of win. And....gasp, I think Texas might sneak into the tournament despite horrible coaching. They look like they are getting their act together somewhat.

The silver lining is that OU has (7) more Q-1 opportunities to go along with (2) more Q-2 opportunities. I agree with you....they need some big scalps to for not only "tournament-worthiness", but more for confidence.
Not just confidence, but for seeding, get a couple of upsets and we could be in whites instead of reds on Thursday or Friday. T
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I've casually rooted for TU (and ORU, too) for a long time. Tubby Smith at TU, long time. They beat O-State in the Myriad in the '94 Tourney and they've had goodwill from me ever since. They should've gone to the Final Four in 2000. They were better than North Carolina, and they gave the game away. That was a really good year for basketball in the state of Oklahoma. Aside from the typical round of 32 Kelvin faceplant.

That said, Haith is scum. He appears to have a good team this year, but he gives me the willies. If he leaves for another job you can set your watch to the Golden Hurricane being in administrative trouble in the near future.
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Still, the non-conference schedule was really good because we only played two horrid teams (UTRGV and UMES). We didn't play any great teams, but three of the four best teams we played....we lost. However, those three losses were all away from home....and who knows the outcome if they were played at/near home. And BTW, all four of those teams are tournament teams. Minnesota is still a Q-1 win even though they are struggling.
The non-conference was really good before many of the teams were exposed... We had hoped Minnesota, Oregon State, Mizzou, etc were at least decent, but they aren't. 2 out of those 3 won't even make the NIT, and we will see what Oregon State does.

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Outside of Miss State, OU hasn't beaten a tournament type team although the win at Texas is a "tournament" type of win. And....gasp, I think Texas might sneak into the tournament despite horrible coaching. They look like they are getting their act together somewhat.
Ok, so the point is agreed... OU has only beaten 1 NCAA Tournament team, by 1 point, and perhaps if Texas rebounds it will be 2.

But, that is just to this point in the season. OU has lots of other opportunities for good wins, and I would think OU will get some of those wins.

Tulsa only has 3 more chances at good wins, and lots of chances for bad losses. They have Houston on the road, Wichita on the road, and SMU at home.
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Ok, so the point is agreed... OU has only beaten 1 NCAA Tournament team, by 1 point, and perhaps if Texas rebounds it will be 2.
Per Lunardi, the following teams on OU’s (currently an 11 seed) schedule (wins by OU are currently NCAA tourney teams:

#12- North Texas
#15- William & Mary
#12- Minnesota

This was updated 31Jan20 so it could/will obviously change after this weekend.

Just for comparison, Cincinnati and Tulsa, not listed.

Wichita St.- 7
Houston- 7
Memphis- 11

So while the big names are missing from OU’s win column, there are wins against “NCAA” tournament teams on the resume. As others have pointed out, the win against Miss. St. seems to also be getting stronger.
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Strength of schedule matters. OU’s SOS in Kenpom is 34; Tulsa’s is 299.

It matters who you lose to. Five of OU’s seven losses were to top 50 teams, only one of them at home.

Baylor - 2
KU - 4
Creighton - 14
Stanford - 22
Wichita State - 38
ISU - 75
KSU - 77

Four of Tulsa’s losses have come to teams outside the top 50, three of them to teams WELL outside the top 50:

Arkansas - 34
Cincy - 46
KSU - 77
Colorado State - 101
Tex-Arlington - 122
Ark. State - 202

OU’s worst loss ranks as Tulsa’s third best.

ABD cites a random loss that William & Mary, currently 159 in the NET rankings, suffered. OU, of course, defeated William & Mary, while Tulsa LOST to Arkansas State, which is currently ranked 43 spots below W&M.
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Tulsa has a decent chance to sweep the next 4 games, as 3 of 4 are at home, with the road trip to CFU. Sweep those and their conference record stands at 11-1. If that occurs then people could site whatever ratings system etc, but they would not have to worry like many other teams as it deals with the NCAA tourney. Of course anything could happen, but the future is looking bright for them, but if some of you want to be that "dark cloud," which is what some of you despise than so be it and become what you aptly despise.

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Wait?

OU gets to claim OKC as home game but WSU doesn’t get Wichita as home game?

You’re better than this..... moving goal posts
He’s a troll as evidenced by the fact he’s been to more Tulsa games than OU this year.
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He’s a troll as evidenced by the fact he’s been to more Tulsa games than OU this year.
I live in Tulsa and have young children who aren't old enough for that journey to Norman yet. Geez you are insane man.

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#12- North Texas
#15- William & Mary
#12- Minnesota
It's hard to believe that an 11-10 minnesota team is STILL slated to get an at-large bid.

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It matters who you lose to. Five of OU’s seven losses were to top 50 teams, only one of them at home.
Completely agree. Still doesn't mean OU has beaten anyone other than Mississippi State.

Why is that such a bad thing to say? It's not untrue. OU isn't having a terrible season. They aren't having a good season. They are having a pretty average season so far. There is still lots of basketball left and it could turn into a great season, or it could turn into a bad season. OU is right on the line, but anything is possible still at this point.

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ABD cites a random loss that William & Mary, currently 159 in the NET rankings, suffered. OU, of course, defeated William & Mary, while Tulsa LOST to Arkansas State, which is currently ranked 43 spots below W&M.
Tulsa has gotten a lot better over the course of the year, but again, I don't even know why this is such a thing. OU and Tulsa don't play each other, they don't play in the same league, they don't have the same expectations. You guys are getting personally offended that someone thinks some teams in the American could beat OU... Which is funny because one of the better teams in the American did beat OU, and the worst team in the American nearly beat OU. That is all we are talking about here. There is no reason to get offended, start huffing and puffing, start attacking, etc.

I even went back to the original post and reviewed to make sure nothing out of line was said, and I honestly can't find anything.
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He’s a troll as evidenced by the fact he’s been to more Tulsa games than OU this year.
Thebigabd is NOT a troll. I disagree with him as often as I agree with him. Some things he says are spot on, and some are head scratchers. Regardless, I've never encountered a better thread starter. He certainly thinks of some great topics which results in a lot of debate. Say what you want about him, but he is definitely not a troll.
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Coach talk and Skyvue, TU played hard against Cincy but couldn't make a shot. Unlike OU against K-State, which I believe TU beat, when Manek walked around all night and took a BIG five shots and basically gave up. TU is doing something OU hasn't done and that is get better as the year has gone. Some of the players that played in a couple of blowouts aren't playing now. Novel idea.
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Coach talk and Skyvue, TU played hard against Cincy but couldn't make a shot. Unlike OU against K-State, which I believe TU beat, when Manek walked around all night and took a BIG five shots and basically gave up. TU is doing something OU hasn't done and that is get better as the year has gone. Some of the players that played in a couple of blowouts aren't playing now. Novel idea.
Tulsa lost to KSU by 2 at KSU and we know how we fared in the same environment.
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Thebigabd is NOT a troll. I disagree with him as often as I agree with him. Some things he says are spot on, and some are head scratchers. Regardless, I've never encountered a better thread starter. He certainly thinks of some great topics which results in a lot of debate. Say what you want about him, but he is definitely not a troll.
I agree; thebigabd is not a troll. On occasion, he does seem to have problems coming to logical conclusions. Other times, he seems to magically come to his senses.
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There is no reason to get offended, start huffing and puffing, start attacking, etc.
Who's offended? Who's attacking? Toughen up, big fella. I'm just stating facts.
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Coach talk and Skyvue, TU played hard against Cincy but couldn't make a shot. Unlike OU against K-State, which I believe TU beat
Can you not be bothered to check your facts before you post? Tulsa lost to KSU.
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I agree; thebigabd is not a troll. On occasion, he does seem to have problems coming to logical conclusions. Other times, he seems to magically come to his senses.
Hey guys.... I'm right here. I can hear you.
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Who's offended? Who's attacking? Toughen up, big fella. I'm just stating facts.
I've been called a troll... Not an OU fan... A guy who likes TU more than OU... Illogical... And "better than this" in a single thread!

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