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Old 12-05-2018, 11:22 PM   #26
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I seem to recollect that Sherri doesnt use screens or picks no matter how good the shooter is. I dont understand that with '
Robertson because she's such good shooter. We've had good shooters before, but this year Robertson's scoring is so critical.

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Old 12-06-2018, 04:58 AM   #27
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We had been using Mandy to screen for Taylor.

It kept loooking like we should be breaking this game open. After getting a little lead, we had turnovers. Seems like Central Arkansas hit some horrible shots under the basket, shots that had no right to go in. But, they did. They were better athletes than I had thought. But, they couldn't shoot. But, we really had a bad night shooting as well.

We did well when we dialed up the defense. We didn't do well when we tried to run too fast.

Frustrating game. I think one ref may be calling traveling all the way home.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:17 AM   #28
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Frustrating game. I think one ref may be calling traveling all the way home.
Remember back to the HoopScoop board. Who was the ref voted the worst by the fans of every Big XII team?

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Old 12-06-2018, 08:42 AM   #29
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Central Arkansas played a high school defense on Taylor. They shadowed her the whole game forgetting any fundamental defense which should have left us with drive after drive on the weak side and of course we did not take advantage of. I thought Taylor played well in spite of the "junky" defense being played on her. When we did screen for her (twice) she did a nice job of getting her shot,and she created opportunities for herself.

It seems obvious to me this team is not going to make taking care of the ball a priority. Sloppy passes come in bunches and there is no accountability. The talent we actually have is pretty good, but raw and young. I like what I see as far as potential, but this will be a very long season for these kids. If free throw shooting doesn't improve, if I were an opposing coach in the Big XII, I would "hack-a-shack" the Sooners to death, until they could prove they can hurt teams with their free throw shooting. This game should have been a 30 plus point win, there will be a lot of growing pains as we go forward.

It also became apparent that we have absolutely no post presence what so ever. EJ does not how to finish at the rim, Aspen is totally lost on offense and defense, and Dee improves each game she plays, but is a year away. As much as I hate it, I would go small, stay with Mandy and Madi and just screen, screen, screen for our shooters and pound the boards as best we can. When we decide to play defense, we are not too bad, but we have to play for 40 not when we feel like it. Here's hoping for improvement sooner instead of later.
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:07 PM   #30
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The usual story is that freshmen have to learn to handle the speed of the game. With this group they have to slow down to the normal speed of the Div I game.

Otherwise it is OU basketball 1. Impossible shots and passes, dribbling into a crowd, playing too far off to close on three point shooters, forcing the play and long runs and long droughts.

But, this is a fun group to watch. If and it is a big if they develop their games and play smart this could be a very good group.

Robertson was face guarded all night and still managed to contribute. Not sure when we had a player with a better basketball IQ.

Murcer was Ms Cool when it counted, EJ showed some unusual spark, Mandy hustled all over the place and I saw a new hope for the inside defense and rebounding.

Aspen Williston. In three minutes of play a rebound and two steals and showed suprising quickness, hands and speed for her size. One very wild shot but with her size she could develop something of an offense. In her short stint she dominated the middle. I would like to see her a lot more often and certainly more than having EJ and Mandy in the game together. We don't need much offense from Williston. Put backs would be enough. We have plenty of other scoring options.

The free shots will come to some degree. Williams needs to put more arch on her shot but I think she will make adjustments to become a solid free shooter. But when EJ, Madi, Lampkin, etc are getting a fair number of free throws our percentage will be not so good.

I'm afraid DePaul and UConn will rain treys on us at record pace. Those are not going to be fun games. UConn's Williams just destroyed Notre Dame and DePaul scored 100 points on us last year with a ton of treys.
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:11 PM   #31
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2. Scott Yarbrough

3. Scott Yarbrough
I don't know why. But, I expect to watch a game without thinking about the officiating. It irritates me when it becomes too involved, or too uninvolved. I think Enterline was supposed to be the bad one?

I watched last night with the impression that I would have had if Sherri had hired some officials to work an intra-squad game, which she has done, in order to get them to pay special attention to some things. Some of the calls on Madi seemed straight from the twilight zone. The calls seemed to out of reality that it was like watching a (non) reality show. I don't know how much influence it had on the game. Maybe our freshmen just need to see that these guys are nuts. They make as many turnovers as do our freshmen.

I keep seeing a lot of things that are really good. It would be nice if they learned to string some of those together. We had about three spells last night of really good play, lasting about two minutes each. We must have scored ten points in two minutes. Then, we would turn the ball over twice and do nothing for about five minutes.

I do think Central Arkansas was better as a team than I had thought they would be. I guess they were 4-2, although over weak competition. They just couldn't shoot. Made some unique shots under the basket. Bricks from more than five feet.
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:29 PM   #32
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I think some of the traveling calls on us were bogus. At one point, I thought, I can’t remember which it was that they called us for traveling in the second half. I couldn’t see it and wondered did she carry the ball, which seemed the more likely call to me.

I don’t know. I don’t disagree with you, Syb, the officiating was suspect to say the least, but it always is in Big 12 WBB.

We had a lot more problems than that.

I would like to know, sincerely, what do you think about free throws and the problem not getting seemingly any better.

I know they practice them. I’m sure the coaches teach and preach on form, follow-through and taking a deep breath and relaxing.

What would your solution be?

The turnover situation is a years-long problem with Sherri’s squads and I’ve given up on that ever being corrected (although a Hall of Fame coach and her staff should have beaten it into every team with an “or else” mentality).

What do you do to fix that?


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Old 12-06-2018, 03:52 PM   #33
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Free throws: I think it is more of an individual responsibility. It reveals something about the attitude of the player. Griner, DRob,------improved greatly. Courtney, Ashley---never did. It was probably an individual desire to improve, or not a focus. Chamberlain got much worse in the pros. Hield got to the point where he almost never missed.

You can hire free throw coaches. They work if someone tries. It takes a lot of work and focus.

Turnovers: over-rated. I'd like to keep them around 17 or fewer. But, that's about normal. Active offenses tend to have turnovers. There is almost a direct correlation between turnovers and scoring, as there is between field goal percentage and winning.

When you have 27, that is too many. Inexperience. If you watch the freshmen, the turnovers are while they aren't paying attention. They aren't just off a little. They pass to absolutely nothing. They pass right to the outreached arms of an opponent. Often, they appear calm, almost asleep as they are making a turnover.

I think they have their minds everywhere except on exactly what they are doing now. They are one step ahead of themselves in thought.

I have seen officials call turnovers by mistake. An athlete gets such a quick start that the officials think they left before the snap, or took a step before dribbling. It is too quick for the official, used to a slower start.

I officiated in a summer league for men one summer. Dragged me into it. Had to take some "courses" on the rules. What I saw, I saw. If we had had ten officials, we would have missed a lot. You got this guy over here pushing on this guy over here, that guy over there pushing on some guy who is pushing back.. Got ten guys pushing on each other. Having a difficult time keeping up with any one of them. And, I've got time to worry about a three-second call? A five second held ball?
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:17 PM   #34
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I don't know why. But, I expect to watch a game without thinking about the officiating. It irritates me when it becomes too involved, or too uninvolved. I think Enterline was supposed to be the bad one?.
Enterline probably came in 4th in the poll.
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:23 PM   #35
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Turnover numbers for women do far exceed the men's game. As far as turnovers go, the NCAA turnover numbers this season show 50 programs are turning the ball over 15 times per game or less.

We have rarely been below 20 in Sherri's tenure, if ever, and we are now approaching 30 per game. Even for women, that is far too high. I can't believe our players, even this season when we are very young, can't react better.

That goes to the theory that the high levels are caused by youth, experience, adapting to the D-1 college game, positive reinforcement for fewer turnovers, and lack of sufficient penalty for repeatedly turning the ball over.

Maybe we need a turnover medal or belt to give the player/players who have the fewest turnovers per game. Or maybe we need to bench some people and cut back playing time for repeatedly turning the ball over like a crowd is rampaging through a turnstile.

While players are certainly the root of the problem, I believe a failure to correct an unending problem such as this should be lain at the feet of our coaching staff.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:16 PM   #36
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Remember back to the HoopScoop board. Who was the ref voted the worst by the fans of every Big XII team?

1. Scott Yarbrough

2. Scott Yarbrough

3. Scott Yarbrough
What do you expect out of the owner of an insurance agency in Austin, Texas? Was it jealousy over the recent defeat of his Longhorns in the Big-12 championship game? Or total frustration over the play and injuries of his shorthorn's women's BB team?

He was horrible last night. Much of the blame falls on SC. She should have already banned him from calling any games OU is involved in.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:27 PM   #37
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2018 478/31 = 15.42
2017 515/33 = 15.61
2016 541/33 = 16.39
2015 553/33 = 16.76
2014 526/33 = 15.94
2013 566/35 = 16.17

You can go back through the statistics through the years if you wish. The "more than turnovers per game" issue is apparently a myth. OU is very consistent in averaging around 15-16 per game over the years.
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Old 12-07-2018, 04:12 AM   #38
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If your stats are correct, I stand corrected. I believed it was around 20, but didn’t check. I should have.

However, 15 a game is still far too high, wouldn’t you say?

The point remains true. Sherri’s teams still make far too many turnovers a game, historically, and this season that number is steadily climbing well past 15 or 16 reaching nearly 30 the other night.

Simply an unacceptable level of turnovers for years that goes uncorrected. A coach’s job is to correct mistakes and emphasize correct, smart play of the game.

Is Sherri successful at that? I would say she is not in regard to reducing turnovers.


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Very few games played so the data has a lot of error factor associated with it but the top 101 programs are averaging 15.0 TO's or less for the season. YTD OU is averaging 23.0 and is ranked #346 out of 349 programs. Not a good start if your top 12 players were freshmen all from 2A high schools. Fundamentals are fundamentals.

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The fact remains that, if we continue to turn the ball over at this pace and continue to miss free throws at this rate, we will be at or near the bottom of the conference and so far this season there are no signs of improvement.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:57 AM   #41
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It is easy to say bench someone for errors if you are sitting in the stands instead of the bench.

But if you are trying to win a game, fighting foul trouble and only 6 deep with players who are ready to compete at this level, are you really going to play Lampkin instead of Maddi because of high turnovers or missed free shots?.

Particularly when Sherri challenges her players to push the envelope.

And when we have trouble getting players open in our half court game.

If I am going to blame Sherri for anything it would be for not going for a transfer or graduate to fill our gaping hole in the middle. Even the top teams are filling their gaps with quality transfers these days.
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I love how Syb is so blindly a SC fanatic he/she makes it seem like consistently making 15-16 turnovers/game every year is somehow acceptable. Same one NCAA Champ/F4 team that averaged that. Our historically awful turnover laden teams are what have kept us from being a good program lately. That, in my very strong opinion, is the coach's fault. If you can't consistently develop a team that knows how to take care of the ball you don't need to be coaching. Your best years are behind you. We don't value the ball enough. I watched a team who we were all talking about being awful just a few weeks ago (Oklahoma state) play much better than we have all year, with essentially a newer team than we have. I myself thought they'd be an easy sweep this year, now not so sure at all.... You tell me that they have a better recruiting class than we did last year (they didn't by a long shot), or that they have more experience coming back. This is a classic example of better coaching. I'm sure some will dispute this bc they don't want to face the facts.


We need a coaching staff that can get back to the basics and instill discipline in these girls!!! (at least on a consistent basis)
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:37 PM   #43
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1 Connecticut--13
2 Notre Dame--68
3 Oregon--4
4 Louisville--255
5 Baylor--68
6 Mississippi State--123
7 Maryland--202
8 Oregon State--42
9 Tennessee--141
10 NC State--184

Boy! There certainly is a high correlation between ESPN Coaches Poll ranking and the fewest turnovers.

Facts are only facts if you don't examine them. It has been five or six years, but I took each of the various factors like field goal percentage, scoring offense, scoring defense, turnovers, etc., and compared them to the top ten teams for the year.

The only solid correlation was field goal percentage to rank. Turnovers were little more than random, somewhat like what you see above. Defense had more effect, as did rebounding. Some had some correlation, but the only tight correlation was field goal percentage.

It is easy to look at the NCAA statistics and do studies on them. They are available on the internet.
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Syb is so right. 15-30 turnovers per game for years is no big deal.🤔🤷🏻🤦

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Man someone's got way too much time on their hands...
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Man someone's got way too much time on their hands...
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The powerhouse Central Arkansas Sugar Bears just got nipped at the buzzer by unranked Texas A&M by the tune of 84-27. That really gives me some doubts about our
season. The Sugar Bears must have been so embarrassed by loss to us they just felt terrible.

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The powerhouse Central Arkansas Sugar Bears just got got nipped at the buzzer by unranked Texas A&M by the tune of 84-27. That really gives me some doubts about our
season. The Sugar Bears must have been so embarrassed by loss to us they just felt terrible.
I guess the Sugar Bears overlooked A&M
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The powerhouse Central Arkansas Sugar Bears just got got nipped at the buzzer by unranked Texas A&M by the tune of 84-27. That really gives me some doubts about our
season. The Sugar Bears must have been so embarrassed by loss to us they just felt terrible.

Wow that really makes me feel like we are going to get pounded tomorrow by DePaul, and a lot of the Big 12 teams...
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