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Old 04-11-2022, 03:36 PM   #51
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this is a massive loss. Harkless was a really good player.

if gibson doesn't come back... Moser better destroy the portal this year because the team is in serious trouble losing gibson, harkless, chargois, johnson, mawien, goldwire, etc.

In the era of the portal, your fortune can change quickly... But if ou doesn't do a good job in the portal and fills space with scabs, going to be in serious trouble.

Ou is hemorrhaging talent in the portal. Acc player of the year (alondes)... All acc player who played for a national championship (manek)... Harkless... We will see on gibson.

They may announce 4-5 total studs.. You do have to be patient in this era, but ou is losing more than it's gaining right now.
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Old 04-11-2022, 03:38 PM   #52
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You’re right on Harkless. He wanted to be the man. So did Goldwire. So did Tanner Groves. The reality was that Mo Gibson was the man and never put in a situation to be the man until late.

Harkless is down to UCLA and USC. I have no faith in Moser recruiting the portal. No faith in him recruiting high school players as well.
Whaaattt. We have 2 great freshman coming in.. its been 1 year man
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:13 PM   #53
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eh, it's no coincidence we started playing better once he went down. wish him the best.
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:23 PM   #54
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eh, it's no coincidence we started playing better once he went down. wish him the best.
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:29 PM   #55
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You’re right on Harkless. He wanted to be the man. So did Goldwire. So did Tanner Groves. The reality was that Mo Gibson was the man and never put in a situation to be the man until late.

Harkless is down to UCLA and USC. I have no faith in Moser recruiting the portal. No faith in him recruiting high school players as well.
In a turn of events that would surprise no one..this post is aging like warm mayonnaise.
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:46 PM   #56
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[/b]QUOTE=thebigabd;696203]This is a massive loss. Harkless was a really good player.

A 10 points, 4 rebs per game guy is a “massive loss”? You’re better than that, ABD!


If Gibson doesn't come back... Moser better destroy the portal this year because the team is in serious trouble losing Gibson, Harkless, Chargois, Johnson, Mawien, Goldwire, etc.

The portal didn’t have one thing to do with losing Chargois, Goldwire and Johnson! Naming them is not a good fit for your narrative.


In the era of the portal, your fortune can change quickly... but if OU doesn't do a good job in the portal and fills space with scabs, going to be in serious trouble.

OU is hemorrhaging talent in the portal. ACC Player of the Year (Alondes)... All ACC player who played for a national championship (Manek)... Harkless... We will see on Gibson.

So, now we’re “hemorrhaging talent”? My advice? Take your own advice and be patient.

There is good news on the portal thread if you haven’t seen it. Be patient. Transfer commits and visits are just getting started.


They may announce 4-5 total studs.. You do have to be patient in this era, but OU is losing more than it's gaining right now.[/quote]
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Old 04-11-2022, 05:14 PM   #57
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If we only had one opening, I would be overjoyed to hear this news. Since we have closer to five, my reaction is more along the lines of "meh." I think we will easily find 2-3 guys that I'm more excited about, but five may be challenging.

Today's trade (Rick + EJ for Bamisile) is a big win in my book.
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Old 04-11-2022, 05:23 PM   #58
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In a turn of events that would surprise no one..this post is aging like warm mayonnaise.
It’s based on who he brought in last year. OU gets to the tourney every year and he brought in guys who weren’t good enough…. Unless you think they were….
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Old 04-11-2022, 05:43 PM   #59
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It’s based on who he brought in last year. OU gets to the tourney every year and he brought in guys who weren’t good enough…. Unless you think they were….
He brought in the best recruiting class we’ve signed in years. He just added a good player from the portal and has a visit set up for key. Give him some time to get more portals.
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Old 04-11-2022, 09:13 PM   #60
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I have no hard feelings about EJ leaving (As long as he doesn't transfer to USC)
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Old 04-11-2022, 11:34 PM   #61
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Tracking the coaching/staffer follows for EJ since the portal announcement:

Marty Wilson - Cal asst
Michael Lecak - UC Riverside asst
Grant Billmeier - Maryland asst
Ryan Hamm - Cal St Fullerton DBO
Jaycob Ammerman - UCF Video Coordinator
Zach Payne - Montana asst
Orlando Vandross - Virginia asst
Chris Foss - Portland St asst
more:

Joey Wellman - Cal Baptist
Martin Bahar - San Diego asst (for now, not sure new HC, Steve Lavin, is going to keep him)
Danny Lawson - UMBC asst
Tim Shelton - Fresno St asst
Kevin Kaerwer - UTEP director of player development
Johnny McCormick - Texas-Tyler asst
Dan Russell - Montana State asst
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Old 04-12-2022, 05:34 AM   #62
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This is a massive loss. Harkless was a really good player.

If Gibson doesn't come back... Moser better destroy the portal this year because the team is in serious trouble losing Gibson, Harkless, Chargois, Johnson, Mawien, Goldwire, etc.

In the era of the portal, your fortune can change quickly... but if OU doesn't do a good job in the portal and fills space with scabs, going to be in serious trouble.

OU is hemorrhaging talent in the portal. ACC Player of the Year (Alondes)... All ACC player who played for a national championship (Manek)... Harkless... We will see on Gibson.

They may announce 4-5 total studs.. You do have to be patient in this era, but OU is losing more than it's gaining right now.

I never thought I’d agree with you, but on this I might. However if they can add a legit scoring pg to go along with a big that can rebound, defend and grind out about 10 points a game, they can turn it around. I heard they have promised the pg position to one of the incoming freshman. That wouldn’t be good.

If there is any scenario where the guys who played bad start this upcoming year, that would stink.

I would love to have Kendrick Davis from SMU, but he’s the equivalent to a 5 star recruit.
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Old 04-12-2022, 01:21 PM   #63
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A 10 points, 4 rebs per game guy is a “massive loss”? You’re better than that, ABD!
Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.
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Old 04-12-2022, 01:31 PM   #64
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Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.

Thanks for taking us down memory lane. All those guys were better than numbers. Would love to get a Kevin Bookout clone for next year’s team.
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Old 04-12-2022, 01:39 PM   #65
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Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.
I approve this message. I'm not going to dwell on EJ's departure, but it's a loss.

It's also worth noting that many fans form bonds with players. For some fans, it's more like a business -- all numbers, all stats -- but many fans don't follow sports that way. EJ's impact can't be measured with a couple of tossed-off stats.

I'm sorry he is not sticking around for one more season as a Sooner.
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Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.
Those numbers were put up on very good teams. Elijah's 10 and 4 were on a mediocre team. Lots of guys can average 10 and 4 on mediocre teams.

We need talent. Let the infusion continue!
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Old 04-12-2022, 01:47 PM   #67
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Those numbers were put up on very good teams. Elijah's 10 and 4 were on a mediocre team. Lots of guys can average 10 and 4 on mediocre teams.

We need talent. Let the infusion continue!
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Those numbers were put up on very good teams. Elijah's 10 and 4 were on a mediocre team. Lots of guys can average 10 and 4 on mediocre teams.

We need talent. Let the infusion continue!
Exactly. Does anyone doubt whether Quannas would have been able to score significantly more if he had played on this year's team? He would have probably been a 15 ppg guy on that roster as a primary opion.

EJ also turned the ball over in one week about as often as Q did in a season, despite the fact Q was the primary ball handler on his teams. Plus, Q is the perfect example of a player who played his role perfectly. Never tried to do too much, was content taking very few shots when the offense was rolling, but also was more than willing to take and make big shots when the situation called for it. Harkless, on the other hand, seemed to have no understanding of what his limitations were, or simply didn't care.
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Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.
nolan Johnson career 49% from the field

q white 44 from the field over 40 from 3 4 ast 1.8 turns and was the PG

bookout 57% from the field ..

harkless 42 from the field 33 from 3 .. 2 turns
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nolan Johnson career 49% from the field

q white 44 from the field over 40 from 3 4 ast 1.8 turns and was the PG

bookout 57% from the field ..

harkless 42 from the field 33 from 3 .. 2 turns
Jalen Hill shot 20.5% from 3 and had 1.7 turnovers per game and you think he's efficient, TBF.
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Jalen Hill shot 20.5% from 3 and had 1.7 turnovers per game and you think he's efficient, TBF.
.579 from the field ..
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Sucks to lose Harkless but I don’t think he is a great fit for Moser’s offense ultimately. He is a plus defender with tremendous experience. I’m confident
We can find good use of his scholarship.
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.579 from the field ..
And still shot 20.5% from 3. Which is deplorable. Harkless at least could hit the 3 at a decent college clip. Harkless averaged more points per game than Hill too. But yet, Hill is basically "off limits" to criticism.
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And still shot 20.5% from 3. Which is deplorable. Harkless at least could hit the 3 at a decent college clip. Harkless averaged more points per game than Hill too. But yet, Hill is basically "off limits" to criticism.
your lack of understanding (or trolling) of basic stats is kind of amazing ..
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And still shot 20.5% from 3. Which is deplorable. Harkless at least could hit the 3 at a decent college clip. Harkless averaged more points per game than Hill too. But yet, Hill is basically "off limits" to criticism.
32 percent is a decent clip for a shooting guard? LOL. At least Hill was smart enough to not attempt 4 per game even though he didn't make them And on what team does a 4-man shoot the three as well/better than the 2-man? Harkless averaged one more point game on three more shot attempts per game. Ever hear of effective FG percentage?
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