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Old 09-28-2015, 02:32 PM   #26
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lol you're headlines are from the day Obama hammered Putin, W & Trump in a speech at the United Nations. Tell you what Big, post the headlines from those 5 sources Wednesday and we'll see what they are.

Classic that Obama said "never give up on peace" in a toast and clinked glasses with those around him except Putin who sat there looking like a fool.

Also great job by Obama once again highlighting how the U.S. blew it invading Iraq by ignoring the international community and we are still paying the price today.
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Old 09-28-2015, 02:42 PM   #27
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Ok, still a waste of $36 million... Now they are saying those guys we trained handed their equipment we gave them over to ISIS, lol. It was a failed program, period. There is no refuting that part.
The program is ongoing. None of the trainees have yet reached the battlefield. I think you have this program confused with the "surge" and the Sunni forces in Iraq we trained and armed who ran away because they hated the W appointed Shiite government.

Can't say the current training program is failed because it really hasn't even started other than the setup costs. But that misses the entire point that the main goal of the current program and the lions are of money is being spent on targeted bombing missions which have been wildly successful. ISIS is in retreat. They have not gained any new territory. To the contrary they have lost 30% of the territory they controlled when we started the program.

That is a massive success. Putin is coming in trying to prop up Assad and Obama will not allow it and has the world on his side.

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Old 09-28-2015, 03:22 PM   #28
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lol you're headlines are from the day Obama hammered Putin, W & Trump in a speech at the United Nations. Tell you what Big, post the headlines from those 5 sources Wednesday and we'll see what they are.
I've been following the situation in Syria and with ISIS closely since it started. I have full confidence they will still be in the headlines come Wednesday.

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Also great job by Obama once again highlighting how the U.S. blew it invading Iraq by ignoring the international community and we are still paying the price today.
Hassan Rouhani said the exact same thing. US invasion of Iraq caused this. That's nearly a universally accepted concept at this point, minus a few hard-core neocons.

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The program is ongoing. None of the trainees have yet reached the battlefield. I think you have this program confused with the "surge" and the Sunni forces in Iraq we trained and armed who ran away because they hated the W appointed Shiite government.
Haha, no, I am not confusing the programs. They were both total failures, well, given that the Syrian rebel training is only a few months old it may not be a total failure but it doesn't look good so far.. The wary will be over before they have any sizable manpower trained under this program.

In fact, all of our attempts in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan to train, fund, equip, etc local armies has failed pretty hard. Iraqi forces just ran away, the Syrian forces haven't even touched the front line yet 5 years into the war, and the Afghans are ineffective.

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Can't say the current training program is failed because it really hasn't even started other than the setup costs. But that misses the entire point that the main goal of the current program and the lions are of money is being spent on targeted bombing missions which have been wildly successful. ISIS is in retreat. They have not gained any new territory. To the contrary they have lost 30% of the territory they controlled when we started the program.
They started in May with the training of rebels, we will see where the program is next May. Will be interesting to see what the status of the war is in May.

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That is a massive success. Putin is coming in trying to prop up Assad and Obama will not allow it and has the world on his side.
Russia and Iran are not going to give up on Assad. He will be part of the final political solution, I predict. Obama will bend on that. He will have to go at some point, but he will probably end up being part of some transitional government. Some European leaders are already bending on this.

The Russian strategy seems solid... the Syrians have a legitimate conventional army to fight ISIS and Al-Qaeda. They have an air force. They have tanks, soldiers, equipment, coordination, etc. It is better to use the Syrian Army to fight ISIS than rebel groups who lack coordination, leadership, resources, etc.

Use the rebel groups AND Syrian army to kill ISIS, and then bring a political solution to the table between the rebels and the regime.
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Old 09-28-2015, 03:51 PM   #29
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btw here are the current CNN top stories.

Top stories
3 h
NASA: Water flows on Mars
5 h
Obama hits GOP, Putin at U.N.
2 h
City is 'in hand of enemies'
58 m
Clinton to Bush: That's insulting
Dow tumbles 300 points
3 h
The Pope came, left and did this
1 h
FBI: Crime did this in 2014
Noah: 'Daily Show' has 'new vision'
53 m
Kevin McCarthy running House Speaker
NFL player's wife arrested after loss
Huge plane makes scary landing
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Old 09-28-2015, 09:08 PM   #30
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New CNN main headline:
Putin Steals Obamas Thunder at the UN: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politi...sis/index.html

UN session opens with focus on Syria
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/world/...ain/index.html
  • Water on Mars
  • Taliban holds Afghan City
  • Trump tax plan
  • Carly is pro water-boarding
  • Dow tumbles 300 points
  • Plane makes scary landing

Main headline on BBC:

Russia considers joining IS airstrikes
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34387433
  • Taliban overrun city
  • Castro calls for embargo to end
  • Canada leaders clash over ISIS fight
  • Water on mars
  • Can leaders find consensus on Syria?

They aren't going to stop talking about Syria... it will be the central consistent theme of the week, along with climate change probably (I haven't seen an agenda for the week).. It started with Syria, it will end with Syria, and they will keep talking about Syria if Russia steps up involvement or even stays involved.

They obviously care.
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Old 09-30-2015, 07:18 AM   #31
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As promised, Wednesday Headlines:

CNN:
Putin Launches First Syria Airstrike

FOX:
Russia Begins Airstrikes against Syrian Opposition

NBC News:
Putin gets the green light for Syria

BBC News:
Russia Begins Syria Air Strikes

CBS News: Russian Jets Join the Syrian War

Probably a bad day for this exercise, as Russia started military action today.
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Old 09-30-2015, 08:52 AM   #32
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Nice try. Here are the real CNN top stories.

Top stories
48 m
Woman apologizes at execution
37 m
Joaquin becomes a hurricane
1 h
Iran leader threatens Saudi Arabia
U.S. pulls spies from China
2 h
Fiorina's Senate race meltdown
2 h
Fraud claims follow Trump on trail
13 m
Planned Parenthood boss testifies
7 m
Warren Jeffs' kids allege sex abuse
40 m
School shooter's dad is guilty
Tesla unveils luxe electric SUV
3 m
Kim Davis met Pope, lawyer says
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:21 AM   #33
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What? If I go to cnn.com RIGHT NOW, the big picture BREAKING NEWS headline is a gigantic pic of Vladimir Putin and a story that says "Putin launches first airstrike in Syria"

http://www.cnn.com/
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:32 AM   #34
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List the top stories. I just cut and paste. The Internet is about links, not pictures. Unless you're 80 years old or seeking porn.
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:42 AM   #35
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List the top stories. I just cut and paste. The Internet is about links, not pictures. Unless you're 80 years old or seeking porn.
hahahaha.... The way news sites are designed is to attract attention. Meaning the story with the gigantic banner, picture, gigantic text, etc is the main headline. Then, inside of the gigantic banner which represents 40% of the damn real estate on the screen are sub-stories about the main story.

Come on dude...

Russia launching airstrikes on Syria is obviously the big story of the day. Not the pope talking to some ***** in Kentucky, Tesla revealing a new SUV, etc.
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:45 AM   #36
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Are you honestly going to tell me that Russia/Syria isn't the main headline of the day? And that the headlines of seed bearing sexters, Kim davis and the pope, woman gets executed, etc are the top stories?

COME ON DUDE!
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:28 PM   #37
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George Will makes an interesting point here... that Civil Wars don't end with compromises.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...ntcmp=obinsite

He cites the English civil war, American Civil War, Spanish Civil War, Russian Civil War, Chinese Civil War, etc... All ended with a side clearly winning.

Others I could think of:
  • Vietnamese Civil War ended with the North Vietnamese victory and capture of Saigon.
  • The Korean Civil War is technically not over and neither side has won or come to some kind of agreement

Maybe someone does need to win this thing... maybe there won't be some kind of peaceful agreement that gets ushered in. I can't really think of an example where that happened.

Help me out here.
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Old 09-30-2015, 01:54 PM   #38
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lol @ George Will. Has that retard ever been right on anything? Total clown. Perfect example of a beltway spinmeister manipulator that Obama despises and has shredded.
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Old 09-30-2015, 02:07 PM   #39
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It's hilarious that I said this was not big news outside of the Fox News bubble of propaganda ... ABD disputes this ... then posts a link to Fox News citing one of the leading purveyors of right wing propaganda George Will. lol @ anybody picking Putin to outmaneuver Obama. Obama has belittled and shredded Putin on the world stage consistently. To the point Putin is dropping bombs in Syria nowhere near ISIS to get attention. Nobody is paying attention to his foolishness except lemmings.
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Old 09-30-2015, 02:31 PM   #40
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And actually Tesla releasing the Model X is the biggest news of the day. It's a real story about real innovation that is revolutionary and will change the world.

Tesla is disrupting two of the large industries in the world. The auto industry and the energy industry. This story has staying power and will impact billions of people over the next decades.

Incredible technology. An all electric 7 seat SUV with state of the art engineering that will go from 0-60 faster than a Porsche 911.
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:02 AM   #41
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CNN Headlines Today:
Russia Launches New Syria Strikes

NBC News Main headline:
Hurricane gains power

ABC News:
Russia Targets in Syria Chosen in Cooperation with Assad Army

BBC News:
Russia Launches Fresh Syria Strikes

Reuters:
Assad, Iran, and Russia Ready Ground Attack in Syria

CBS News:
Russia accused of Bombing US-Armed rebels

FOX News:
Russian Strikes Target CIA Backed Rebels

I agree with you a lot of the time Boca, but it's pretty damn laughable that you are pretending like nobody cares about this. It is the main headline on pretty much every news site. I was flicking through CNN, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc last night and they were all talking about it. It's all over the news. It was the primary discussion and news story at the UN this week.

I can't tell if you just don't want to admit you are wrong, but I have never seen someone stick their guns when I go to every news site and every headline is about Russia, Syria, ISIS, etc. It's literally not even disputable.
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Old 10-01-2015, 09:25 AM   #42
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Looks like Iran is bringing in large numbers of troops, under the command of the infamous General Qasem Soleimani. Hezbollah is sending in more troops to team up with the Syrian Army and the Iranians.

Russian air support... Iranian led ground operation.

The US-supported rebellion could be in trouble here. Very interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks.

Perhaps this is the "surprise the world" moment that the Iranians claimed would happen in Syria after Soleimani's trip to Moscow in July.
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Wait a minute, you said Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers in the war on ISIS.

Now it's revealed his airstrikes are not against ISIS but against US backed rebels in the civil war.

The reason it's news is because Putin is once again isolating himself from the civilized world. Has nothing to do with ISIS or the phony war on terror. Has to do with Putin challenging the international community which is going to cause him to be more isolated and sanctioned.
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Wait a minute, you said Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers in the war on ISIS.

Now it's revealed his airstrikes are not against ISIS but against US backed rebels in the civil war.

The reason it's news is because Putin is once again isolating himself from the civilized world. Has nothing to do with ISIS or the phony war on terror. Has to do with Putin challenging the international community which is going to cause him to be more isolated and sanctioned.
That's what I said the other day... I will quote myself:

"Probably a bad day for this exercise, as Russia started military action today."
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Russia/Syria/Iran is the story. Syria IS a story.
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Wait a minute, you said Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers in the war on ISIS.

Now it's revealed his airstrikes are not against ISIS but against US backed rebels in the civil war.

The reason it's news is because Putin is once again isolating himself from the civilized world. Has nothing to do with ISIS or the phony war on terror. Has to do with Putin challenging the international community which is going to cause him to be more isolated and sanctioned.
We will see on Putin... This is somewhat unprecedented. Lots of options on the table here.
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The bottom line is simple. You have been misled into the bogus talking point that Putin is "winning" and outmaneuvering Obama and the US. You were misled into the bogus $500 million to train 60 fighters. We had no beef until you started offering up the laughable right wing anti Obama talking points.

Putin is desperate. He has been isolated and his economy is in tatters. Obama has trashed him. That's the truth. The entire world outside of Russia and Fox News knows this. Putins moves in Syria are similar to Bush running in 2004 on the "war on terror". He's done a terrible job so is appealing to nationalist military and fear to maintain his job.
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You were misled into the bogus $500 million to train 60 fighters.
Sorry, 36 million for 60 fighters, who then turned over their equipment, changed sides, or ran off.

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Well, it depends. It is the goal of the US for Assad to go, and the goal of the Russians for Assad to stay. If Assad doesn't go, then the Russians won that fight.

Now, I think your point (correct me if I am wrong) is that even if the Russians "win" or get their way in Syria/Iraq/Iran that they aren't really winning because the West will isolate them and continue to damage their economy and status in the world.

My point is that the Russians are doing this for a reason, and it COULD be for leverage in negotiating an end to sanctions and a favorable settlement in Ukraine and Syria. This may not happen, but I have to believe they have something positive in mind for their own country by doing this.

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I have no beef with you now. I am discussing a world issue. Many times we agree, sometimes we don't. I never have beef with you though.
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Spending $36 million instead of $500 million shows good management. It's a fluid dynamic situation. You allocate resources where you are having success which has been airstrikes.

Assad is gone. It's just a matter of time. Putin is desperate. His list of allies is down to Iran and Syria. His leverage decreases with every move he makes. He's checkmating himself just like he did in Ukraine.

When I said beef I simply meant disagreement. The GOP has spent 7 years predicting failure for Obama. They have been wrong every single time. Failure was the war in Iraq. But their tiny brains see brazen aggressive reckless behavior like what W did in Iraq and Putin is doing in Ukraine and Syria as "leadership". So in their minds Putin is winning and Obama is weak. Meanwhile, our economy is doing great, our guys are not in harms way and Putin is isolated from the world just like W was.

Who is really playing chess thinking way ahead and who is making short term irrational decisions?
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Assad is gone. It's just a matter of time. Putin is desperate. His list of allies is down to Iran and Syria. His leverage decreases with every move he makes. He's checkmating himself just like he did in Ukraine.
The Russians have to see something. Some opportunity. Why would they do this otherwise?

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Spending $36 million instead of $500 million shows good management. It's a fluid dynamic situation. You allocate resources where you are having success which has been airstrikes.
Some would view it as waste of time and $36 million. Regardless, if the Russians/Iranians go after the Syrian rebels (not IS) it will fail unless the US and Gulf Allies are willing to really invest heavily in the rebellion.

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He has had many policy victories that have changed the path of our country. It has been a significant presidency, for sure.
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He has had many policy victories
WHich ones?
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