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Old 12-03-2011, 09:45 PM   #1
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Talk about a butt whuppin'!
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:48 PM   #2
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We have handed out more than our share of butt kickins since I first started watching OU football. Once in a while, you have to be on the other end of the butt kickin.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:57 PM   #3
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Considering our defense, it was overdue.
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:06 PM   #4
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I thought the defense played pretty well for a while. Offense didn't help them a bit, and when it came time to bend a little more......they broke.
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:06 PM   #5
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At this moment, I'd have to say no.
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:13 PM   #6
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There was absolutely ZERO emotion from this team today and it's been that way for quite a while. They played with emotion during the first few weeks of the season, especially at Fla State and in the Cotton Bowl. I have no idea what happened other than maybe the loss of Austin and all the injuries took their toll, but you just can't beat teams with lack of emotion.
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:14 PM   #7
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I thought the defense played pretty well for a while. Offense didn't help them a bit, and when it came time to bend a little more......they broke.
I agree. The offense put way to much pressure on the defense.
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Old 12-03-2011, 11:09 PM   #8
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It's basketball season!
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:16 AM   #9
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Watched roughly 5 minutes of it. Spent the night watching Cotto-Margarito on PPV. Much more enjoyable.
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Old 12-04-2011, 07:06 AM   #10
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I've been tired of OU football since the 55-19 debacle vs USC. Stoops has been consistently outcoached for a decade now. The only thing saving him has been the weak sisters of the Big XII.

But that's changed with patsies Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado & A&M out and TCU & West Virginia coming in. Stoops has seen his last conference title now that just beating Mack & some North patsy won't get it done.
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Old 12-04-2011, 07:16 AM   #11
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I've been tired of OU football since the 55-19 debacle vs USC. Stoops has been consistently outcoached for a decade now. The only thing saving him has been the weak sisters of the Big XII.

But that's changed with patsies Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado & A&M out and TCU & West Virginia coming in. Stoops has seen his last conference title now that just beating Mack & some North patsy won't get it done.
It's good to know your irrational thoughts aren't limited to basketball only.
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I havent watched a single OU football game this year... just bits and pieces, checking the score, that type of thing. I didnt watch a single second of the game last night, although I checked the score on my phone while I was out and about.

I did watch OSU vs K-State (K-state is my favorite college football program when Bill Snyder is on the sidelines), K-State vs Miami, and maybe another game or two that I am forgetting.

PGA Golf > NBA Basketball > College basketball > NFL Football > College Football

That is my order of importance.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:15 AM   #13
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I'm sick of OU football the way we are playing it right now. The instant we lost Broyles, we needed to slow things down and we had two weeks to prepare for the remainder of the season. I thought that starting with Baylor, the "smart" play would have been to become more of a physical running team with Millard blocking for Finch, Clay and Williams and then getting Hannah and Stills the ball off of play-action. You saw ONE series of that last night and we went 50 yards pretty quickly. NO defense could recover from 5 turnovers in any event, but going into oSu and trying to out gun them [pun intended] was the height of arrogance and that is exactly what it appeared we thought we were going to do.

The above said, I've got to give it up to Gundy and the staff that he has put together. He has gone from a joke with getting into fights with a limo driver and the "I'm a man, I'm 40" to IMHO a Top 20 coach in the county. Now he was getting "style points" on OU, a team he had never beaten. I respect the way he runs his program and am glad that he has turned the corner. Keep in mind that this is his third offensive coordinator in three years, and they still are excellent...now they are getting a defense that is competitive.

Bottom line: I hope Jones comes back BUT I also hope we see more Blake Bell [sort of like how Meyer handled Florida with Tebow and the kid whose name I can't remember] and play a more physical and deliberate style of football. We have plenty of talent on both sides of the ball to beat up most of the B12, I'd like to have more of a bully mindset on both sides of the ball.

End of rant.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:28 AM   #14
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"PGA Golf > NBA Basketball > College basketball > NFL Football > College Football

That is my order of importance."

Therein lies the problem. If you were a REAL basketball fan, college basketball would be first on that list. And the TGA......well, that's been dead for a couple of years now.

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Mr. B is dead on. We have got to get away from this finesse style of football we play. It starts with the hurry up/spread, which needs to be scrapped or at least minimized. It extends to the defense, where we're firing out 205 lb linebackers. We need to get physical. We're supposed to have superior athletes, yet the schemes we employ don't do anything to utilize that. In fact, it does the opposite.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:42 AM   #16
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It's real simple. Remember when Stoops got the OU job and said he hired Leach as OC because when he was at Florida he could not stop the offense Leach was running as OC at Kentucky? Well that offense has spread through the Big XII and Stoops still can't stop it. But every bigtime team we play can stop it. USC, LSU, Florida had no problem stopping it.

Our only hope is for Penn State to reach for Bob and have him jump. Then we can hire Kirby Smart from Alabama who will have no problem stopping the rinkydink gimmick offenses of the Big XII.
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It's real simple. Remember when Stoops got the OU job and said he hired Leach as OC because when he was at Florida he could not stop the offense Leach was running as OC at Kentucky? Well that offense has spread through the Big XII and Stoops still can't stop it. But every bigtime team we play can stop it. USC, LSU, Florida had no problem stopping it.

Our only hope is for Penn State to reach for Bob and have him jump. Then we can hire Kirby Smart from Alabama who will have no problem stopping the rinkydink gimmick offenses of the Big XII.
Unless he brings the dozen or so NFL first rounders he has playing under him at Alabama, I doubt he'll make much of a difference.

The spread is dominant in virtually every conference. The few teams who can shut it down consistently—USC, LSU, Florida, Alabama—do so because they're stacked with NFL talent, not because they have figured out some schematic solution.

Oklahoma, for all its recruiting success, has struggled to develop elite talent in the secondary. Just look at NFL starting lineups today for evidence of that. I believe there will be one OU product (Quinton Carter, Broncos) starting this weekend for an NFL team. Mizzou will have two (William Moore, Falcons, and Kevin Rutland will get his first start today with Jacksonville).

When you recruit like OU does, it's flat out inexcusable to have so few players in the NFL. Granted, there are another few guys on rosters, but it's still not in line with the type of talent OU should have. When you play in a pass-happy conference and can out-recruit all but maybe one team, you should have no shortage of elite cover corners. OU hasn't. That's a failure on Bob Stoops' part, which is surprising considering he was a safety himself.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:26 AM   #18
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I hate to jump on this bandwagon. I support Stoops and everything he has accomplished. He has recruited well. He has presented the University well. He has returned OU football to a place of prominance.


But, he hasn't beaten anyone with this junk offense that he couldn't have beaten straight up. And it is a sad state of affairs when you get 1st and goal at the 5 and you have to have a different gimmick. And what is worse, you are exposing yourself to the liability of losing a shootout to an inferior team. I'm not saying OSU was one of those inferior teams. They probably weren't. But, there have been plenty of others.

You can not control the clock. And this stuff puts too much pressure on a defense because they have to defend so many more plays. I just don't get it.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:53 AM   #19
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But, he hasn't beaten anyone with this junk offense that he couldn't have beaten straight up. And it is a sad state of affairs when you get 1st and goal at the 5 and you have to have a different gimmick. And what is worse, you are exposing yourself to the liability of losing a shootout to an inferior team. I'm not saying OSU was one of those inferior teams. They probably weren't. But, there have been plenty of others.
I am a firm believer in everything you just said.

As to the poster above you that ragged on OU's secondary, I don't disagree with that either BUT I would state again that it is on some level an unwillingness to change. When Stoops first came to the conference it was a run first league and offenses were conventional, now just about every team runs the "spread". When you had run first "conventional" teams you could play your safeties close to the line of scrimmage and blitz from everywhere and be dominant, look at what we did to FSU: Basically destroyed their season by injuring half their team because our system is geared for that. But look at what has beat us over the years, big plays. We need to play our safeties deeper and in front of the ball and utilize our front seven in a more dynamic manner and make teams work to beat us.
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I've been tired of OU football since the 55-19 debacle vs USC. Stoops has been consistently outcoached for a decade now. The only thing saving him has been the weak sisters of the Big XII.

But that's changed with patsies Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado & A&M out and TCU & West Virginia coming in. Stoops has seen his last conference title now that just beating Mack & some North patsy won't get it done.
LOL, come on boca.

He took Florida down to the wire in the National Championship a couple years ago (without Demarco Murray, who is one of the brightest young stars in the NFL right now). Not to mention he finished as one of the elite teams in the country last season, and won the conference. Both those aforementioned seasons he faced a tough schedule; he wasn't just compiling his wins based on cream puffs.

I agree that he likely needs to make a few changes if he wants to win a National Title... The more I think about it, the less confidence I have in Venables to be the DC of a National Championship team. With that being said, your judgement of Stoops is pretty misplaced. He's turned OU into a monster throughout his tenure, and with a bounce or two vs. Florida and LSU he is looking at 3 National Titles.

Last night sucked, but don't be a prisoner of the moment. There are only a couple coaches in the entire country that can even make the argument that they are better than Stoops.
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Imagine if Bill Snyder had the kind of talent that OU has.. I really prefer that kind of offense in the college game. Tough, gritty, run the ball, have some freak at QB like Collin Klein or Ell Roberson and run that type of offense.

Spread = boring
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OU has Reggie Smith, Quinton Carter, Dominique Franks, Brodney Pool & Jonathan Nelson in NFL rosters.

How many does Alabama, LSU, Florida or USC have? Doubt it's more than 5 each. OU has the same talent as the other big boys.

Anyway, my original thesis holds. The days of Stoops beating up on Mack and then some untalented fraud from the North like Nebraska, Missouri or Colorado to win conference titles are over. West Virginia & TCU are coming and Stoops will have to beat everybody to win and he has never shown the ability to do that.
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Last night sucked, but don't be a prisoner of the moment. There are only a couple coaches in the entire country that can even make the argument that they are better than Stoops.
I have been consistently saying this about Stoops since the USC game. He's not a good gameday coach. He's not very smart Im afraid. The timeout vs Baylor was just another glaring example of a deer caught in the headlights.

Our 2000 title was a gift. If we played Miami, which would occur now, it would have been another Big Bob Blowout. Not a chance we would have hung with that team.
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Anyway, my original thesis holds. The days of Stoops beating up on Mack and then some untalented fraud from the North like Nebraska, Missouri or Colorado to win conference titles are over. West Virginia & TCU are coming and Stoops will have to beat everybody to win and he has never shown the ability to do that.
If he doesn't change some things I think that you are right; however, I think that you are being a "tad" critical of the guy. Lol!
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Unless he brings the dozen or so NFL first rounders he has playing under him at Alabama, I doubt he'll make much of a difference.

The spread is dominant in virtually every conference. The few teams who can shut it down consistently—USC, LSU, Florida, Alabama—do so because they're stacked with NFL talent, not because they have figured out some schematic solution.

Oklahoma, for all its recruiting success, has struggled to develop elite talent in the secondary. Just look at NFL starting lineups today for evidence of that. I believe there will be one OU product (Quinton Carter, Broncos) starting this weekend for an NFL team. Mizzou will have two (William Moore, Falcons, and Kevin Rutland will get his first start today with Jacksonville).

When you recruit like OU does, it's flat out inexcusable to have so few players in the NFL. Granted, there are another few guys on rosters, but it's still not in line with the type of talent OU should have. When you play in a pass-happy conference and can out-recruit all but maybe one team, you should have no shortage of elite cover corners. OU hasn't. That's a failure on Bob Stoops' part, which is surprising considering he was a safety himself.
I agree with this. The only starter in the secondary that is a shoe-in to play in the NFL is Tony Jefferson.

Although we got decimated with injuries again (I swear OU is the most unlucky team in the country in this aspect, they lose more star players to injuries than any other program in college football), the secondary was the ultimate weak link for OU this season. I appreciate the hard work Gabe Lynn and Javon Harris displayed, but they simply aren't consistent enough to be OU-caliber DB's.
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