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Old 06-02-2011, 04:50 PM   #26
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what OU fan would waste time reading a kansas aggy board to begin with?
Maybe there wasn't anything good on Nick Zeppelin's 10 member blog?
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:17 PM   #27
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what OU fan would waste time reading a kansas aggy board to begin with?
I saw it posted on this board. I was not visiting the K-State board.

Just for the record.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:58 PM   #28
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i will not apologize for my remark, nor explain it.

i respect this board enough to assume that most of you can figure out my tone & intended meaning for yourselves if you read the thread with that intent. if not, perhaps sam, or someone else familiar with goemaw and it's posters, will explain it; i don't believe that i should have to. i actually thought (still think) that it was a relatively clever comment, in it's brevity if nothing else.

as far as banning me, i've enjoyed this board very much, and would like to continue to have the opportunity to comment on ou, kstate and the big 12 in general at this site. but if having to censor myself on kstate boards is a condition of participating here, then i would obviously choose the kstate boards over ouhoops.

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Old 06-02-2011, 08:21 PM   #29
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Well, I think that is about as insensitive and petty as anything I have ever read. Still, I don't think it really makes sense to ban someone for something they said on another site
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:35 PM   #30
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What a douche.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:13 PM   #31
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God WILL judge them one day. ban him from this board.
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:45 PM   #32
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I was waiting for something along the lines of "I have First Amendment rights," etc etc.

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Old 06-03-2011, 08:02 AM   #33
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i will not apologize for my remark, nor explain it.

i respect this board enough to assume that most of you can figure out my tone & intended meaning for yourselves if you read the thread with that intent. if not, perhaps sam, or someone else familiar with goemaw and it's posters, will explain it; i don't believe that i should have to. i actually thought (still think) that it was a relatively clever comment, in it's brevity if nothing else.

as far as banning me, i've enjoyed this board very much, and would like to continue to have the opportunity to comment on ou, kstate and the big 12 in general at this site. but if having to censor myself on kstate boards is a condition of participating here, then i would obviously choose the kstate boards over ouhoops.
Rationalization of bad behavior at it's finest. It reminds me of the 10 year old who said, 'But, Mom, everyone else is doing it!'

When given the choice between being crass and insensitve or mature, you chose crass and insensitive.

I agree w/ the poster who said people shouldn't be banned from this board for things they post on other boards, but don't be surprised if no one ever responds to anything you post in the future.
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Old 06-03-2011, 08:19 AM   #34
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Do you make quips about the departed at funerals and refuse to apologize for or explain them? Do you expect the mourners within earshot to figure out your tone and intended meaning?

The posters on that poor excuse for a board you were hanging out on were trashing Austin Box mere days after his death. You either took part in speaking ill of the dead or made a glib comment on what the others were saying. If the former, you deserve whatever you're getting here. If the latter, you display a special brand of arrogance in characterizing your remark as "clever" and refusing to either explain or apologize for the post.

If you haven't learned by now that tone and attitude in text-based electronic communications -- whether on web boards, in emails or via texts and IMs -- is very often misunderstood, then you must be brand new to the online world. Sarcasm online is a tricky thing, indeed, and when it is used in a comment that -- on its surface, at least -- celebrates the death of a 22-year-old young man who was much beloved by so many, then it exhibits sheer stubbornness and even gall to pretend that clarifications, if not apologies, are not in order.

It seems clear now that you're claiming -- if only indirectly -- that you were commenting on the other posters' sentiments. I feel safe in assuming, given the intelligence exhibited in their posts, that the vast majority of them didn't grasp your meaning, that your oh-so-clever dig at them sailed right over their heads.

So nice job all the way around. You've offended many here, and your intended barb at those in the other community was so artfully subtle that they had no idea they'd been insulted.

Seems you missed the target in just about every way possible.
Good post, skyvue. The shots this guy is taking are all well deserved; you just have a way of conveying your thoughts better than most of the rest of us.

As for as the part I "bolded" above, I believe you – and others – are letting sys off a little too easy. I read all the posts on the first page of that despicable thread, and I find nothing that makes me believe sys was commenting on the ugliness and stupidity displayed by his fellow posters. To me, it was simply a case of a bunch of morally bankrupt individuals lining up and taking turns to see who could make the most distasteful comment about this poor kid's untimely death. For sys to even vaguely imply that his post was intended to shame those other posters is both laughable and sad.
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:21 AM   #35
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Good post, skyvue. The shots this guy is taking are all well deserved; you just have a way of conveying your thoughts better than most of the rest of us.

As for as the part I "bolded" above, I believe you – and others – are letting sys off a little too easy. I read all the posts on the first page of that despicable thread, and I find nothing that makes me believe sys was commenting on the ugliness and stupidity displayed by his fellow posters. To me, it was simply a case of a bunch of morally bankrupt individuals lining up and taking turns to see who could make the most distasteful comment about this poor kid's untimely death. For sys to even vaguely imply that his post was intended to shame those other posters is both laughable and sad.
I agree with these sentiments and unfortunately my attempt to rationalize what a seemingly thoughtful and intelligent poster might have been doing gave the proverbial "inch of daylight" for what was clearly a disturbing post.

Whatever, people say and do pretty weak stuff on the internet millions of times a day, if mocking some kids accidental death is one of them, then more power to them I suppose. Hope this board never turns into anything like that.
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:33 AM   #36
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sys is a good poster on here. If he says anything like that on this message board then by all means ban him.

The goemaw board is based on the shock factor. What you read on that thread (including sys' retort) goes on every day on there. They think its funny. I don't (except when it pertains to Kansas U or the state of Kansas which is a worthless state). But I don't think we should be in the buisness of banning people based on what they say on other MBs.

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Old 06-03-2011, 10:34 AM   #37
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Not that I spend much time alone in the dark dull over what some guy I wouldn't know from Adam said on a message board, what would seem more egregious than joking about someone's death is lumping Austin in with Osama bin Laden.
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:42 AM   #38
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Not that I spend much time alone in the dark dull over what some guy I wouldn't know from Adam said on a message board, what would seem more egregious than joking about someone's death is lumping Austin in with Osama bin Laden.
That's the whole basis of their board - to try and "out shock" the post above theirs. Its about as fake as their five minutes of fame with the octagon of doom.

Its what ive come to expect from second rate schools like Tech, OSU, and KSU. The worst that i've ever read on the internet was from an osu fan named megapoke on the old ostate.com rivals board. The stuff he wrote about OU fans, players and coaches was morbid.
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:43 PM   #39
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sys is a good poster on here. If he says anything like that on this message board then by all means ban him.

The goemaw board is based on the shock factor. What you read on that thread (including sys' retort) goes on every day on there. They think its funny. I don't (except when it pertains to Kansas U or the state of Kansas which is a worthless state). But I don't think we should be in the buisness of banning people based on what they say on other MBs.

Just my two cents.
i don't care if he said that **** on another board. he said it. whether he thought it was funny or not, he said it. it speaks to his character that he would makes jokes about a young man who just passed and at the same time compare him to OBL.

But he's probably jerking off at his moms house to all this attention he is getting
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:45 PM   #40
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Do you make quips about the departed at funerals and refuse to apologize for or explain them? Do you expect the mourners within earshot to figure out your tone and intended meaning?
i would take issue with your analogy. there was a thread here discussing box, and i did not comment in it. i commented in a thread on a different board. a board where i have only seen one ouhoops poster ever post (and one where i have some thousands of posts, none of which, prior to this, have ever been linked or discussed on any other board).

i would not consider posting on goemaw to be analogous to commenting at box's funeral. while perhaps not quite analogous to the sanctity of my own home, i would argue that it is much farther removed from anyone connected to box than his funeral.

i acknowledge that many posters here likely felt some connection with box, through following ou football, and that some smaller percentage may have had a more personal connection. i agree that it would have been insensitive to post irreverently about his death here, due to those reasons. however, i did not do that.

i posted on a board where the only poster who claimed any connection with box was speaking quite poorly of him, and did not appear to require or merit any consideration for his feelings. furthermore, it is a board that is accustomed to frank, even shocking, opinion. i do not believe that my comment offended anyone within its intended audience; an opinion supported
by the comments following my own.

as such, i consider my comment to have been appropriate to its intended audience, and hence decline to defend or apologize for it. i realize that this may be unsatisfactory to many here. i regret that, but insist that i did nothing to bring my comment to their attention, or in any way confront anyone that may have been impacted by box's death.
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For sys to even vaguely imply that his post was intended to shame those other posters is both laughable and sad.
i did not, and do not, imply that.
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:52 PM   #42
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sys is a good poster on here.
thank you.


i post regularly on two kstate boards as well as here. i would like to think that there are posters on each of those boards that would opine similarly, despite the fact that there is very little that i place on any of the three boards that i would also post on one of the other two.
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:54 PM   #43
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he's probably jerking off at his moms house to all this attention he is getting
i can assure you that i would have preferred for my board personas to have remained separate.
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:04 PM   #44
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Do you make quips about the departed at funerals and refuse to apologize for or explain them? Do you expect the mourners within earshot to figure out your tone and intended meaning?

The posters on that poor excuse for a board you were hanging out on were trashing Austin Box mere days after his death. You either took part in speaking ill of the dead or made a glib comment on what the others were saying. If the former, you deserve whatever you're getting here. If the latter, you display a special brand of arrogance in characterizing your remark as "clever" and refusing to either explain or apologize for the post.

If you haven't learned by now that tone and attitude in text-based electronic communications -- whether on web boards, in emails or via texts and IMs -- is very often misunderstood, then you must be brand new to the online world. Sarcasm online is a tricky thing, indeed, and when it is used in a comment that -- on its surface, at least -- celebrates the death of a 22-year-old young man who was much beloved by so many, then it exhibits sheer stubbornness and even gall to pretend that clarifications, if not apologies, are not in order.

It seems clear now that you're claiming -- if only indirectly -- that you were commenting on the other posters' sentiments. I feel safe in assuming, given the intelligence exhibited in their posts, that the vast majority of them didn't grasp your meaning, that your oh-so-clever dig at them sailed right over their heads.

So nice job all the way around. You've offended many here, and your intended barb at those in the other community was so artfully subtle that they had no idea they'd been insulted.

Seems you missed the target in just about every way possible.
good lord. this is ridiculous and you have to know that. you have to.
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:38 PM   #46
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i would take issue with your analogy.
I agree it's not an ideal analogy, but it works on this level: You know now, if you didn't before, that virtually everyone on the internet is "within earshot." There is no safe haven, and the notion of maintaining separate identities, especially under a shared handle, is a pipe dream.
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furthermore, it is a board that is accustomed to frank, even shocking, opinion. i do not believe that my comment offended anyone within its intended audience; an opinion supported by the comments following my own.
Seriously, "Basically, everyone here is a total asshole and I just wanted to fit in and be a total asshole also" is about the least compelling argument I have ever heard in my life. This is the stuff of freshman dorm rooms.

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i acknowledge that many posters here likely felt some connection with box, through following ou football, and that some smaller percentage may have had a more personal connection. i agree that it would have been insensitive to post irreverently about his death here, due to those reasons. however, i did not do that.
Honestly the idea that the only reason anyone would take issue with someone making fun of the death of a 22-year-old is because they like football is possibly the most offensive thing about all of this. Are you a human being?
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Seriously, "Basically, everyone here is a total asshole and I just wanted to fit in and be a total asshole also" is about the least compelling argument I have ever heard in my life. This is the stuff of freshman dorm rooms.
i did not mean to bring up the board mores there to excuse myself; rather, to place my comment in context. there are a number of kstate boards with very different board cultures. i chose goemaw, i like it. if you view everyone there as an asshole, then it is entirely logical to view me in the same light.


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Honestly the idea that the only reason anyone would take issue with someone making fun of the death of a 22-year-old is because they like football is possibly the most offensive thing about all of this. Are you a human being?
i did not mean that any person's life was valued or not due to football, only that box having played football for ou was presumably the avenue through which most people here felt a connection to him.
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to place my comment in context.
the context being: that it was not placed anywhere with an intent to offend, if that was not clear.
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Old 06-03-2011, 11:50 PM   #50
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i can assure you that i would have preferred for my board personas to have remained separate.
Chances are no one would've made the connection if you didn't use the same name in both places.

Seriously... the internet isn't hard.
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