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Old 01-29-2019, 06:14 PM   #1
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Iíve been watching basketball for 20+ years, and this is the worst Kansas team Iíve ever seen.

The talent just isnít there. Yes, injuries have factored in, but the product they have out there should not win this league. (And yes, Iím fully aware that Shaka will probably figure out a way to give this game away, but he has a significantly more talented team on the court right now).
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Old 01-29-2019, 06:32 PM   #2
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Old 01-29-2019, 06:58 PM   #3
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Iíve been watching basketball for 20+ years, and this is the worst Kansas team Iíve ever seen.

The talent just isnít there. Yes, injuries have factored in, but the product they have out there should not win this league. (And yes, Iím fully aware that Shaka will probably figure out a way to give this game away, but he has a significantly more talented team on the court right now).
This exact thing is posted annually. Was said multiple times last season about their talent. And as for Texas...they may have more athletic guys, but that doesn't mean they are more talented basketball players. But KU certainly hasn't come close to being as good as I expected this season. Remains to be seen whether they figure it out, and I still expect them to win the league. Heck they may win this game.
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This exact thing is posted annually. Was said multiple times last season about their talent. And as for Texas...they may have more athletic guys, but that doesn't mean they are more talented basketball players. But KU certainly hasn't come close to being as good as I expected this season. Remains to be seen whether they figure it out, and I still expect them to win the league. Heck they may win this game.
They just aren't there. If Grimes and those guys come back to school, they have a bright future. But this team is nowhere close to previous KU teams.
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Old 01-29-2019, 07:13 PM   #5
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Ksu and bu top of the league...
Guess that explains the ass kicking they gave us...

Lol...just kidding
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Old 01-29-2019, 07:25 PM   #6
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They just aren't there. If Grimes and those guys come back to school, they have a bright future. But this team is nowhere close to previous KU teams.
I'll stand by my comment. I could find dozens of posts just from last year saying this. And I don't dispute that they aren't as good as most/all recent KU teams. But they don't have to beat former KU teams to win the league. I'll be the first one to happily eat crow if some conference team finally manages to nut up and end the streak but I'll never expect it till it actually happens.
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I'll stand by my comment. I could find dozens of posts just from last year saying this. And I don't dispute that they aren't as good as most/all recent KU teams. But they don't have to beat former KU teams to win the league. I'll be the first one to happily eat crow if some conference team finally manages to nut up and end the streak but I'll never expect it till it actually happens.
I don't care that you can find dozens of posts finding that from last year.


If you agree that this is the worst Kansas team in 20 years, then why do you disagree with the thread title? If this team wins the Big XII, no one else is winning it as long as Self is there. Because I highly doubt he ever has a team as weak as this again.
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Im calling my shot. It finally ends this year. I don't care who does it. The streak must end
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Sadly if they tie again they still win. Itís like the Ryder Cup or the heavyweight championship. Blake Griffin injury still haunts me.


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I don't care that you can find dozens of posts finding that from last year.


If you agree that this is the worst Kansas team in 20 years, then why do you disagree with the thread title? If this team wins the Big XII, no one else is winning it as long as Self is there. Because I highly doubt he ever has a team as weak as this again.
I don't think it is THE worst team. Look at their 2012 roster. Then look at where that team ended up (national title game). That team lacked top talent and depth. Didn't have anyone close to Lawson. And I guess I don't disagree with the title of the thread. I honestly think there is at least a 50/50 chance that no one else will win it while Self is there, unless he pulls a Snyder and stays till he is 100. And Self won't do that.
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Sadly if they tie again they still win. Itís like the Ryder Cup or the heavyweight championship. Blake Griffin injury still haunts me.


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And to Self's credit, he admitted that Blake's injury changed the outcome of the league that season and joked it was the only reason he was named national coach of the year lol.
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I don't think it is THE worst team. Look at their 2012 roster. Then look at where that team ended up (national title game). That team lacked top talent and depth. Didn't have anyone close to Lawson. And I guess I don't disagree with the title of the thread. I honestly think there is at least a 50/50 chance that no one else will win it while Self is there, unless he pulls a Snyder and stays till he is 100. And Self won't do that.
That team was all juniors and seniors. This one is all freshmen and sophomores. Again, if these guys all come back they'll be a force down the road. But right now, they aren't close.
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I guess if other teams don't like Kansas to win every year then go out and recruit, coach better.
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:26 PM   #14
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I guess if other teams don't like Kansas to win every year then go out and recruit, coach better.
What a profound statement. We've got a real philosopher over here.
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Old 01-29-2019, 09:07 PM   #15
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That team was all juniors and seniors. This one is all freshmen and sophomores. Again, if these guys all come back they'll be a force down the road. But right now, they aren't close.
But you pointed to the talent on the roster multiple times, not the experience. And my response is, this team is far more talented.
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But you pointed to the talent on the roster multiple times, not the experience. And my response is, this team is far more talented.
They aren't super talented. They have some skill, and can develop. But this doesn't look like previous Kansas teams. You seem to be one of those people that just argues to argue, so I'm not particularly interested in continuing this conversation. If you can't see that this is the weakest KU team in decades, then so be it.
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What a profound statement. We've got a real philosopher over here.
you got a better one?

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Old 01-30-2019, 02:17 PM   #18
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The issue is that there isn't a great contender to dethrone KU. The 2015-16 WVU and OU teams would easily win this league IMO.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:47 PM   #19
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They aren't super talented. They have some skill, and can develop. But this doesn't look like previous Kansas teams. You seem to be one of those people that just argues to argue, so I'm not particularly interested in continuing this conversation. If you can't see that this is the weakest KU team in decades, then so be it.
I'm one of those people who likes to have facts on my side when I debate. You pointed to it being their least talented team, so I gave a specific example within the past six years of a less talented team. You then shifted your position to point to the fact that this year's team is less experienced. You are correct about that, but it wasn't your initial point.
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I'm one of those people who likes to have facts on my side when I debate. You pointed to it being their least talented team, so I gave a specific example within the past six years of a less talented team. You then shifted your position to point to the fact that this year's team is less experienced. You are correct about that, but it wasn't your initial point.
You think that this year's KU team is more talented than the 2012 team?

That KU team had 4 guys who played in the NBA, three of which were upperclassmen on that team.

How many on this year's KU's team that are currently playing will make it to the NBA?
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I'm one of those people who likes to have facts on my side when I debate. You pointed to it being their least talented team, so I gave a specific example within the past six years of a less talented team. You then shifted your position to point to the fact that this year's team is less experienced. You are correct about that, but it wasn't your initial point.
No, you're a contrarian who argues with everyone in every thread about complete nonsense.
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Ugh. This board is like a married couple that is all tense and just needs to bang one out to relax. Go get us some wins guys ASAP!!
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You think that this year's KU team is more talented than the 2012 team?

That KU team had 4 guys who played in the NBA, three of which were upperclassmen on that team.

How many on this year's KU's team that are currently playing will make it to the NBA?
Who are you counting as the NBA guys? Robinson and Withey are two, and Taylor had a cup of coffee but then headed overseas . Ben McLemore wasn't eligible that season. They also had no depth. Their bench barely played, and didn't even score in the title game.

On this year's team, I think Lawson is probably slightly better than 50/50 to make a roster. Grimes will make it, and likely Dotson. Vick is a wild card ... if he could ever be consistent, he could be a three point specialist off the bench. Doke is a fringe guy but obviously doesn't really count because he is hurt. And as crazy as this sounds to those who haven't watched them much, the freshman who just came off redshirt definitely could be an NBA player down the road. Arguably their best athlete and is already playing very well after only a few games. He was their best player last night. I'm not saying it's a vintage KU team, but unfortunately, they are like the Patriots...I can't stand them, people tend to write them off midway through the season, then Self somehow works magic. Again, no one on Earth will be happier if/when it ends, I'd LOVE to be wrong. And I expect all of you to chirp me if that happens lol.
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Who are you counting as the NBA guys? Robinson and Withey are two, and Taylor had a cup of coffee but then headed overseas . Ben McLemore wasn't eligible that season. They also had no depth. Their bench barely played, and didn't even score in the title game.

On this year's team, I think Lawson is probably slightly better than 50/50 to make a roster. Grimes will make it, and likely Dotson. Vick is a wild card ... if he could ever be consistent, he could be a three point specialist off the bench. Doke is a fringe guy but obviously doesn't really count because he is hurt. And as crazy as this sounds to those who haven't watched them much, the freshman who just came off redshirt definitely could be an NBA player down the road. Arguably their best athlete and is already playing very well after only a few games. He was their best player last night. I'm not saying it's a vintage KU team, but unfortunately, they are like the Patriots...I can't stand them, people tend to write them off midway through the season, then Self somehow works magic. Again, no one on Earth will be happier if/when it ends, I'd LOVE to be wrong. And I expect all of you to chirp me if that happens lol.
Grimes will make it? Have you checked his stats lately? He’s averaging just over 8 ppg while shooting 33% from three point range. He has more turnovers than assists, none of which are all that impressive for a point guard with NBA potential. Grimes might make it to the league someday. It won’t be this year.

I said in mid December that this KU team didn’t have the guards and wings we usually see every season. There is no Mason or Graham to run the offense. No guard or wing capable of scoring on his own at crunch time. Vick is too inconsistent. If he’s not knocking down threes, he’s limited offensively. I also said that if Dedric Lawson gets so much as a hang nail to slow him down, KU is in trouble.

The Jayhawks hole card is the best coach in the Big 12, and in the country for that matter. So, it would be a mistake to count his team out completely. Still, I think even you may not be as confident as you used to be about another Big 12 title.
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Grimes will make it? Have you checked his stats lately? Heís averaging just over 8 ppg while shooting 33% from three point range. He has more turnovers than assists, none of which are all that impressive for a point guard with NBA potential. Grimes might make it to the league someday. It wonít be this year.
I'm not predicting Grimes will leave this season. I didn't think that was what 152219 meant, my bad if I misread that. But I absolutely think he will eventually make it. His stats are similar to Buddy's freshman year numbers, the difference is that Grimes was a projected lottery pick coming into the year so he has been a big disappointment so far. But he isn't a point guard, so his assist to turnover ratio isn't as big a concern as his shooting numbers. He's lost himself a lot money this season, so he needs to come back to improve his stock.
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