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Old 01-14-2020, 09:41 AM   #1
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Old 01-14-2020, 09:49 AM   #2
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I used to expect us to win every home game. Recent years I've felt like we had a good shot to beat KU at home.
Tonight? I feel like we have no shot at all to win this game. That's where the program is currently.
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This is basketball.... never known when the home team is gonna hit everything. Manek may go nuts, Reaves may get hot, etc. Always a chance in basketball.
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This is basketball.... never known when the home team is gonna hit everything. Manek may go nuts, Reaves may get hot, etc. Always a chance in basketball.
You're hoping for a miracle. That's where this program is currently.
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You're hoping for a miracle. That's where this program is currently.
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Kansas is a 6.5 point favorite. If I was a betting man I would give those points so fast it would make your head spin.
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I used to expect us to win every home game. Recent years I've felt like we had a good shot to beat KU at home.
Tonight? I feel like we have no shot at all to win this game. That's where the program is currently.
you must be watching some other team and clearly not very objectively


FYI Seth Davis national writer covering College basketball thinks OU covers for sure and has a great chance the win outright
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Kansas is a 6.5 point favorite. If I was a betting man I would give those points so fast it would make your head spin.
I agree. That sounds shockingly low on the surface. The oddsmakers' analytics must show we play well after an ass beating on the road.
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You're hoping for a miracle. That's where this program is currently.
Or for what happened the last two years we played them at home. But no surprise many of our fans choose the most pessimistic view possible.
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Or for what happened the last two years we played them at home. But no surprise many of our fans choose the most pessimistic view possible.
This team has nothing for Kansas. I will eat a huge plate of crow if I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but I don't see it. We have too many flaws, and we don't play hard when we get behind. Happy to be proven wrong tonight...
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you must be watching some other team and clearly not very objectively


FYI Seth Davis national writer covering College basketball thinks OU covers for sure and has a great chance the win outright
I watched a team get dominated in Ames, win close at home requiring a ridiculous 2nd half performance by Reaves, and win on the road against the worst coached team in the league. 3 teams in the bottom half of the league.
Does Seth think we have a chance because we're a good team or does he think KU is severely overrated?
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:32 AM   #13
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This team has nothing for Kansas. I will eat a huge plate of crow if I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but I don't see it. We have too many flaws, and we don't play hard when we get behind. Happy to be proven wrong tonight...
We've been blown out twice, and have come from behind in the vast majority of our wins after digging fairly substantial holes. We certainly have many flaws, but an unwillingness to play hard when behind is not among them. We'd be something like 3-12 if that were the case.
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We've been blown out twice, and have come from behind in the vast majority of our wins after digging fairly substantial holes. We certainly have many flaws, but an unwillingness to play hard when behind is not among them. We'd be something like 3-12 if that were the case.
Let me rephrase that, we gave up at Iowa State, or we appeared to, as several players didn't get back on defense, go for loose balls, or rotate to open shooters. When you have 3 offensive rebounds, only 1 outside of garbage time, it's hard to say your team played hard.
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Or for what happened the last two years we played them at home. But no surprise many of our fans choose the most pessimistic view possible.
KU had serious issues last year when they came to Norman.
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I really don’t understand the disdain some of you have for this team. They are 11-4 with only one of those losses being what I would consider a bad loss, even though it was on the road at Hilton which is a historically hard place to play.
They won a conference road game against their biggest rival and beat two teams in OSU and Minn. that are turning out to be pretty good.
All three of their non con losses were to ranked teams away from home ( two true road games and one neutral). While I agree I would like things to be better and I am not blind, I see their deficiencies, at the end of the day their record is probably better than most would have anticipated before the season started.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:50 AM   #17
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Let me rephrase that, we gave up at Iowa State, or we appeared to, as several players didn't get back on defense, go for loose balls, or rotate to open shooters. When you have 3 offensive rebounds, only 1 outside of garbage time, it's hard to say your team played hard.
I don't disagree with your opinion of that specific game. Stanford was a horror show as well. But as much as we all hate to admit it, almost every team has a game or two (or more) like that each season. Michigan State is a program built on toughness and they just got annihilated Sunday, so I just wanted to point out that a blowout loss or two isn't a sign of an overall lack of effort.
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Old 01-14-2020, 10:55 AM   #18
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We're 11-4 against (according to Kenpom) the 27th most difficult schedule in the country, but to read the comments from some in this thread (and dozens of others), you'd think we were 4-10 against the 327th toughest schedule in the country.
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I really don’t understand the disdain some of you have for this team. They are 11-4 with only one of those losses being what I would consider a bad loss, even though it was on the road at Hilton which is a historically hard place to play.
They won a conference road game against their biggest rival and beat two teams in OSU and Minn. that are turning out to be pretty good.
All three of their non con losses were to ranked teams away from home ( two true road games and one neutral). While I agree I would like things to be better and I am not blind, I see their deficiencies, at the end of the day their record is probably better than most would have anticipated before the season started.
Let me list the problems:
1. There is 1 guy on the team that has played up to expectations, Doolittle. Literally every other player that plays has under-performed.

2. Our offensive sets are non-existent. We do not move the ball at all, it's completely dependent on 1-on-1 basketball. This works, for the most part, against lesser teams when we are hitting shots, but in Big 12 play and against good teams it's a disaster.

3. Our defense has been horrid for most of the year.

4. There seems to be little accountability from the coaching staff for bad play or lack of hustle and effort.

Sure we are 11-4, but many of those wins are against bad teams or wins eked out against mediocre teams like UCF, William & Mary, and North Texas.
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A 1 point win over UCF, which might be the worst team in the American... a 2 point win over North Texas... A 5 point win over William & Mary.. Etc.

Right now it is ok, because they won those games. I think what has the fans worried, myself included, is that OU is in "paper tiger" status right now. Kind of like TCU. They are 13-3, 3-0 in the Big 12 but that is not the whole story.

The season is literally a few plays away from being a total disaster. They are hanging on.

TCU, kind of similar situation. They banked in a 3 to force OT against ISU... The same player hit a game winner at the buzzer to beat UC Irvine.. They won on a tip-in at the buzzer to beat Kansas State.

We are all good fans that can see the entire story... The record isn't a problem, but the devil is in the details.
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Disagree on this... Manek has absolutely played to expectations. Manek is really damn good. He gives you 16 and 6 pretty much every night. He sucks at rebounding, but he is a very talented player and makes a lot of things happen for others because he is such a good 3pt shooter.
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Or for what happened the last two years we played them at home. But no surprise many of our fans choose the most pessimistic view possible.

Most people overreact and the overreaction comes in two forms, excessive optimism or excessive pessimism. Rarely does the reaction fall in the middle, for as I have stated before, "people do not like sitting on the fence." It's nature's way.

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Disagree on this... Manek has absolutely played to expectations. Manek is really damn good. He gives you 16 and 6 pretty much every night. He sucks at rebounding, but he is a very talented player and makes a lot of things happen for others because he is such a good 3pt shooter.
Okay, I'll concede the point, 2 guys then that have played up to expectations. Although, if I see him walking back on D or not going for rebounds again I might retract this...
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I used to expect us to win every home game. Recent years I've felt like we had a good shot to beat KU at home.
Tonight? I feel like we have no shot at all to win this game. That's where the program is currently.
I know many think, so Ill just say it.

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We're 11-4 against (according to Kenpom) the 27th most difficult schedule in the country, but to read the comments from some in this thread (and dozens of others), you'd think we were 4-10 against the 327th toughest schedule in the country.
I'd think we just got dominated by a bottom half of the league team and now we're playing a top 10 team in the country.
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