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Old 04-07-2021, 01:59 PM   #1
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Just curious to know if anybody is hearing any rumors of a new arena or a complete renovation of LNC? Something needs to happen. I think it would help so much with recruiting and attendance. If I was Moser, I would have wanted to know that this would happen if I signed on.
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Old 04-07-2021, 03:24 PM   #3
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Saying this is a huge disappointment is an understatement.
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Old 04-07-2021, 03:34 PM   #4
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Moser probably took some heat off the topic when he said his goal is to "fill this arena" and that when he started at Loyola there were no fans.
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Old 04-07-2021, 05:05 PM   #5
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I don't think the problem is that the powers that be don't want a new arena or a major renovation of LNC. I think we need a big donor to step up.
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Old 04-07-2021, 05:23 PM   #6
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be great if the LNC was an on campus or smaller baller arena.....

just ain't happening somehow. the LNC is forever. forever.
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Old 04-07-2021, 05:34 PM   #7
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Isnít it technically on campus just at the last outpost south.

And yes they need a new arena at about 7,500 capacity
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Old 04-07-2021, 05:49 PM   #8
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Maybe revisit this in a post covid world. Where is the money going to come from for a new arena? Aint happening anytime soon.
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:32 PM   #9
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I don't think the problem is that the powers that be don't want a new arena or a major renovation of LNC. I think we need a big donor to step up.
This. They can’t even raise $20-25MM for a new softball stadium and a program that is winning championships. Forget the raise for a new arena, I just don’t see someone or groups stepping up for the probably $40-50MM to update the LNC.

I also think the whole conversation about LNC being the issue with attendance is just an excuse. As a season ticket holder for 20 years, I’ve never walked out of a game and said that would have been a great game if not for the LNC. If it truly was the arena, all the games we’ve played at the Chesapeake would have been sold out. Far from it.

Yeah I would have loved to see the updates they talked about when the idea of a feasibility study was thrown about a few years ago. The LNC needs some TLC and renovation. But Im more concerned about the product on the floor.

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Old 04-08-2021, 08:04 AM   #10
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This. They canít even raise $20-25MM for a new softball stadium and a program that is winning championships. Forget the raise for a new arena, I just donít see someone or groups stepping up for the probably $40-50MM to update the LNC.

I also think the whole conversation about LNC being the issue with attendance is just an excuse. As a season ticket holder for 20 years, Iíve never walked out of a game and said that would have been a great game if not for the LNC. If it truly was the arena, all the games weíve played at the Chesapeake would have been sold out. Far from it.

Yeah I would have loved to see the updates they talked about when the idea of a feasibility study was thrown about a few years ago. The LNC needs some TLC and renovation. But Im more concerned about the product on the floor.
Totally agree with this
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The LNC is full if we win. If we're competing for conference championships and playing monster games in February, it's full. The Kansas game in 2016 was one of the wildest scenes I can ever recall at Jenkins and Imhoff, and I've been present for every big game in the last 35 years.

OU fans will not support hoops unless the team is winning big. Not 8-10 in conference. Not 9-9. Not receiving votes. Winning and winning big. Then the house is full and the LNC is everything you need in a home-court advantage.
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The LNC is full if we win. If we're competing for conference championships and playing monster games in February, it's full. The Kansas game in 2016 was one of the wildest scenes I can ever recall at Jenkins and Imhoff, and I've been present for every big game in the last 35 years.

OU fans will not support hoops unless the team is winning big. Not 8-10 in conference. Not 9-9. Not receiving votes. Winning and winning big. Then the house is full and the LNC is everything you need in a home-court advantage.
Honestly, if COVID weren't a deal, the Oklahoma State game in Norman this year when we were ranked in the top 10 would have been one of the most nuts environments at LNC in the history of that building.
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Old 04-08-2021, 08:21 AM   #13
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I feel like I've shared this before, but I'll re-iterate: there are myriad plans out there for a monster LNC renovation, a Fieldhouse overhaul and a brand-new arena. All it takes is money, and if somebody steps up with the dough and a particular affinity for one of the paths then that's the route. Money, money, money.

Don't sleep on Moore building an arena on the north side of Indian Hills. Stranger things have happened.
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The LNC is full if we win. If we're competing for conference championships and playing monster games in February, it's full. The Kansas game in 2016 was one of the wildest scenes I can ever recall at Jenkins and Imhoff, and I've been present for every big game in the last 35 years.

OU fans will not support hoops unless the team is winning big. Not 8-10 in conference. Not 9-9. Not receiving votes. Winning and winning big. Then the house is full and the LNC is everything you need in a home-court advantage.
I tend to agree. I new arena would bring in a full house for a while for the novelty but it won't draw larger crowds once the newness wears off UNLESS we have perfect timing with a sustained period of excellent basketball coupled with the new arena

I really don't like the idea of an off campus arena though. It probably would bring in more attendance but it would really suck for students
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I tend to agree. I new arena would bring in a full house for a while for the novelty but it won't draw larger crowds once the newness wears off UNLESS we have perfect timing with a sustained period of excellent basketball coupled with the new arena

I really don't like the idea of an off campus arena though. It probably would bring in more attendance but it would really suck for students
I think the "sucks for students" deal is overblown. Plenty of students make it to OKC for Thunder games or to Bricktown to party. They drive to 24th and Robinson to shop Target and eat at Qdoba. Most students at this point in time have a car or a ride if they want to go somewhere. Plus, ride sharing is cheap.
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The LNC is full if we win. If we're competing for conference championships and playing monster games in February, it's full. The Kansas game in 2016 was one of the wildest scenes I can ever recall at Jenkins and Imhoff, and I've been present for every big game in the last 35 years.

OU fans will not support hoops unless the team is winning big. Not 8-10 in conference. Not 9-9. Not receiving votes. Winning and winning big. Then the house is full and the LNC is everything you need in a home-court advantage.
This is the 1000% truth and i've said this till i'm blue in the face. It's happened before, and can happen again.
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Old 04-08-2021, 08:50 AM   #17
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be great if the LNC was an on campus or smaller baller arena.....

just ain't happening somehow. the LNC is forever. forever.
I definitely consider it as being "on campus". I just hope they never go back to the location up in north norman as was once proposed.

And on that note, does anyone else feel like those renderings were released to measure interest in donor support? I just don't know why they would do something like that if there was no chance of it gaining traction or getting approved from the city council. Maybe OU foundation thought it carried more weight then they do?
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I feel like it is my duty, in every arena thread, to voice my displeasure in the orange seats in LNC and my flabbergastedness of how those ever came to be
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This. They canít even raise $20-25MM for a new softball stadium and a program that is winning championships. Forget the raise for a new arena, I just donít see someone or groups stepping up for the probably $40-50MM to update the LNC.

I also think the whole conversation about LNC being the issue with attendance is just an excuse. As a season ticket holder for 20 years, Iíve never walked out of a game and said that would have been a great game if not for the LNC. If it truly was the arena, all the games weíve played at the Chesapeake would have been sold out. Far from it.

Yeah I would have loved to see the updates they talked about when the idea of a feasibility study was thrown about a few years ago. The LNC needs some TLC and renovation. But Im more concerned about the product on the floor.
This isn't a conference realignment board or thread, but: The new TV deals around 2024-25 will be crucial. Right now, OU receives between $35-40M per year as part of the Big 12. When the new SEC TV deal starts in 2023, they will be receiving between $60-65M per year per school. The B1G will be in the same ballpark when they renew around 2025.

OU is locked into a grant of TV rights with the B12 until 2024-25. Any TV money OU receives for home games goes to the B12.

If the B12 can command competitive money, OU will stay home in the B12. If not, a move to the SEC or B1G is on the table. If OU gets SEC-style TV money, they can rebuild and upgrade facilities.
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This isn't a conference realignment board or thread, but: The new TV deals around 2024-25 will be crucial. Right now, OU receives between $35-40M per year as part of the Big 12. When the new SEC TV deal starts in 2023, they will be receiving between $60-65M per year per school. The B1G will be in the same ballpark when they renew around 2025.

OU is locked into a grant of TV rights with the B12 until 2024-25. Any TV money OU receives for home games goes to the B12.

If the B12 can command competitive money, OU will stay home in the B12. If not, a move to the SEC or B1G is on the table. If OU gets SEC-style TV money, they can rebuild and upgrade facilities.
ou is currently at almost 50 mil with the soonersports tv on foxsports (now on bally sports)
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:12 AM   #21
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If OU gets SEC-style TV money, they can rebuild and upgrade facilities.
I don't think this is true.

What major college sports teams have used revenues like this to substantially pay for major building renovations? I'm nearly positive those renovations are almost always from donor funds, and not internally generated revenues.
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That TV money isnt going to OU basketball. Sure minor upgrades but nothing major will be done.
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