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Old Yesterday, 04:39 PM   #4951
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oh give it a rest. I have friends and family among the sufferers. of course I am going to point out that it is NOT a hoax like so many of you wish to articulate. dont try to play both sides of the fence. if you claim it's overblown then stand by for chatter when you're empirically proven wrong.
Nobody said there wouldn't be a spike when things reopened.
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Nobody here thinks it’s a hoax

Overblown is an opinion. I’d like to see your proof it is overblown as it will all be subjective

Isn't it obvious we all have "cooties" except for a select few. As you say "overblown is an opinion," yet empiricism is objective. The "confusion well" is not a dry one.
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Go look up the graphs on Facebook from OKC-county health department.
They don’t look too bad for okc
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From Mayor Holy

Today, I joined Dr. Patrick McGough of the Oklahoma City-County Health Department so that we could update the people of Oklahoma City on the COVID-19 situation in our community. My remarks are below. Be well, OKC. Wear your mask.

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At our press conference eight days ago, I pledged we would continue to monitor the recent spike in new COVID-19 cases. Since so many of our June cases were occurring among younger people, who generally do not have as severe a reaction to the virus, we said we would also be closely monitoring hospitalizations and deaths. Here is what has happened over the last week in those key categories. Please keep in mind, when I talk about data, my focus is on the Oklahoma City metro, not statewide.

Blessedly, deaths have not increased in any significant way. We mourn every one of our residents lost to this virus, and we send our deepest condolences to the families of those we have lost. Over the last five weeks, we have lost six of our metro residents to COVID-19. In the same length of time in April, we lost 62. Deaths remain relatively low in June.

Regarding new case numbers and positive testing percentages, both categories went into a mild decline for a full week. However, those declines have now stalled and the numbers look to be heading up once again. And though we did experience some decline, it wasn’t as dramatic as the rise, so new cases still remain at an elevated level compared to the rest of the pandemic.

Regarding hospitalizations, after the increase that was in many ways the cause of last week’s press conference, total hospitalizations for the OKC metro have remained almost perfectly flat for a full week now. We are very glad they have not risen further but they also have not dropped at all and remain at an elevated level compared to the rest of the pandemic.

You may also recall that last week we shared the seven activities that were contributing to the case rise in June. That list was based on the investigations conducted by our City-County Health Department. This is information we didn’t have in the early days of this pandemic. We no longer have to speculate about what activities might spread the virus. We now have thousands of cases we can look at and know exactly how the virus is spreading. Last week we talked about weddings, funerals, house parties, bars, churches, gyms and small gatherings. Since that time, two sources of outbreak in particular have really stood out to our epidemiologists – restaurant & bar workers and bar patrons. This new information is perhaps no surprise, based on the younger demographics of our cases this month.

So, we sit here now with this as the overall situation: Escalation that we feared a week ago has not materialized, but neither has the depth of decline that would cause us to breathe a sigh of relief. We are stuck at an elevated level that in and of itself is manageable, but puts us right on the edge of an unmanageable situation. And with a holiday weekend looming, that precipice is an uncomfortable place to be. Thanks to data, however, we believe we see some simple interventions that could help us bring the numbers back down.

As such, we are going to use the dimmer switch, and I will be issuing a new proclamation that incorporates some measures that are targeted and tailored to the situation as we find it today. These measures will commence Friday morning and will last for two weeks. Here are the provisions:

All employees of restaurants and bars shall wear masks. This effects a finite number of actors in static locations, and so it can and will be enforced when we receive reports of systemic violations.

Bar capacities shall be lowered to 50 percent. A bar will be defined as those who hold a Type I license. This effects an even more finite number of actors in static locations, and so it can and will be enforced when we receive reports of systemic violations.

Any venue with theater-style seating shall return to staggered seating. This means either the closure of every other row or the functional equivalent, with at least two seats between separate parties. This will hopefully help counter the spread we’re seeing at weddings, funerals and churches.

These measures I have just described are simple and easy to follow, they are targeted and proportional, and they are carefully crafted in such a way as to address many – if not most - of the cases we are currently seeing. These measures are based in data and science and have been developed on the advice of public health professionals who are deeply engaged with the reality of the situation here on the ground in Oklahoma City.

Keep in mind, when you’re at the types of events or places I’ve just discussed, or any other situation, it is not a mystery how we transmit this virus. The most dangerous activity is simply having a conversation with another person, where tiny droplets of saliva are spread. You cannot see it with the naked eye but whatever the situation, when you are talking to someone and you are not wearing a mask, you are transmitting the virus to that person, or vice versa, through these tiny droplets of saliva. It is just as disgusting as it sounds, and if catching the virus doesn’t cause your alarm bells to go off when you find yourself in those situations, just picture someone spitting all over you as they talk, because if they are not wearing a mask, that is in fact exactly what they are doing.

In order to significantly diminish the chances that you will unknowingly transmit the virus to others in a broad spectrum of situations, I am asking that all residents wear a mask or cloth covering across your mouth and nose when you are in an indoor public place and less than six feet away from other people not of your household or your family. I recognize there is no practical way to enforce this request, but I hope that by making it publicly, I will help to establish the societal expectation that we expect our friends and our neighbors to do the right thing. Let me also add that private businesses absolutely have the right to require masks, just as they require shoes and a shirt. I encourage them to do so, and we will be there to support their private property rights.

This latest spike in cases has reminded us that we will live with this virus for a long time, likely years. Much like the threats posed by other public health challenges, such as food borne illness, this pandemic is part of our lives now. Long term challenges must ultimately be addressed by regulation that has been adopted by elected officials through a democratic process. Though I am taking these measures today through the emergency powers afforded to a mayor by state statute, city charter and ordinance, the utility of emergency powers is nearing its end. Outside of extraordinary emergencies, this is not how American policymaking works. This pandemic is an extraordinary challenge, but it is transitioning from emergency to way of life. It should be normalized and addressed as such.

Therefore, I have asked the City Manager to arrange for a joint meeting of the City Council and the Oklahoma City-County Board of Health and its executive team, in order to discuss potential adoption of ordinances that will replace the emergency proclamations through which we have mitigated the spread of the virus to this point. Such discussions shall include what measures may be needed, who has the authority to adopt them, how they will be enforced, and how they might be adjusted in order to respond to trends. Though we know very little at this point about the tiered system described by the Governor yesterday, no doubt that will be something we will want to incorporate into our discussion as well. That meeting and potential ensuing actions are expected to occur this month. In the meantime, I remain committed to our mitigation efforts even as I work to transition us to a more democratic approach better suited to the long-term challenge that this pandemic has become.

A final word before I turn this over to Dr. Patrick McGough, Executive Director of the Oklahoma City-County Health Department. This is a holiday weekend coming up, and arguably this most recent spike began a bit after Memorial Day weekend. We can’t sustain another spike on top of this one. Please, be careful and recognize the seriousness of this virus, especially if you’re a young person. This weekend and every day, wear your masks, wash your hands and keep your distance.
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I found Holt's message to be a good one. I guess Stitt has agreed to emily virgin's modified OVAP proposal in some form so eventually we're getting some central guidance that we've needed for quite some time.
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I found Holt's message to be a good one. I guess Stitt has agreed to emily virgin's modified OVAP proposal in some form so eventually we're getting some central guidance that we've needed for quite some time.
I agree. What is this ovap proposal?
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Old Yesterday, 05:08 PM   #4957
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Mandatory masks would be a start......everywhere. Every state. If you're outside of your house or car, you are supposed to wear a mask.

I don't know what would be the penalty for not wearing one. Refused service from business owners would be reasonable. Small fine or warning.

But wearing a mask is not too much to ask. It might save the country from closing down again. I don't know why so many governors are not taking action on this (Hey Stitt, I'm talking about you). It could save the school year and maybe organized sports.

Why wait until the deaths start spiking to take a reasonable precaution??

Social distancing helps, but that's not always possible. I went to Lawton today to buy some supplies......maybe half the people were wearing masks, the rest looked at me like I was stupid. (I guess it might not be the mask)

Just wear the damned mask!!

Masks are great again!!
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Old Yesterday, 06:47 PM   #4958
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I agree. What is this ovap proposal?
It's just a little condition system for daily guidance.

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For the record, I can’t understand why so many people have a problem wearing a mask. It’s crazy to me that some people are so angry about it. Just wear a damn mask, social distance, and wash your hands regularly. Good grief.

As for the spike in cases, we knew that would happen when we reopened. This was expected. Is the answer to this virus to close down the country forever? No, it’s not. So, a spike was expected. No matter how long we waited, when we reopened, a spike was going to happen.

So, if we close down again, we may see the curve flatten. Then, we’ll open back up and see a spike again. Over and over again. This virus isn’t going away from us just closing everything. It’s not going away until we get a vaccine or an effective treatment to prevent the morbidity and mortality.
Well, I personally know 4 people who refuse to wear a mask. I can tell you what they have in common.

A.) They are all Trump people... Like, very MAGA.
B.) They think any disruption to their lives is an assault on their liberty
C.) They used phrases like "this is a free country", "this isn't the Soviet Union", "nobody is going to make me look like a muslim", etc.
D.) They think Covid-19 is media overhype

Two of these people are blood relatives that I speak to regularly, so I get to hear their views often. The other two are co-workers. One of them quit being a co-worker because she said the company couldn't force her to cover her face "like a muslim" because she is a free American.

That's what we are dealing with out there. When you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions.
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That's what we are dealing with out there. When you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions.
Give me a break. That would be like me listing all of the CRAZY stuff that some folks on the left believe and have been doing, and saying "when you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions." That would be pretty silly, huh?

Just another comment from a member of the left that shows how intolerant they are of differing opinions. FREE THOUGHTS for all, unless you disagree with us. Right?

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Give me a break. That would be like me listing all of the CRAZY stuff that some folks on the left believe and have been doing, and saying "when you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions." That would be pretty silly, huh?

Just another comment from a member of the left that shows how intolerant they are of differing opinions. FREE THOUGHTS for all, unless you disagree with us. Right?

Be better than that big.
And as for it JUST being members of the right that don't want to wear masks, I point you in the direction of all of the 18-25 year olds in all of these beach towns, or liberal Arizona, or many other places, where they aren't. Or the riots, erm.....protestors. Those aren't proud members of the GOP in most cases. But sure, let us know about the 4 people you know. <insert eye roll here>
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And as for it JUST being members of the right that don't want to wear masks, I point you in the direction of all of the 18-25 year olds in all of these beach towns, or liberal Arizona, or many other places, where they aren't. Or the riots, erm.....protestors. Those aren't proud members of the GOP in most cases. But sure, let us know about the 4 people you know. <insert eye roll here>
Yea, those people suck too. They aren't wearing masks because they are young and don't think it will impact them. It's a selfish decision. They aren't saying their freedom is under assault, they just don't care.

Both have the same outcome. One is stupid, and the other is selfish.
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Well, I personally know 4 people who refuse to wear a mask. I can tell you what they have in common.

A.) They are all Trump people... Like, very MAGA.
B.) They think any disruption to their lives is an assault on their liberty
C.) They used phrases like "this is a free country", "this isn't the Soviet Union", "nobody is going to make me look like a muslim", etc.
D.) They think Covid-19 is media overhype

Two of these people are blood relatives that I speak to regularly, so I get to hear their views often. The other two are co-workers. One of them quit being a co-worker because she said the company couldn't force her to cover her face "like a muslim" because she is a free American.

That's what we are dealing with out there. When you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions.
If this were an honest assessment then perhaps they could be playing you just as you yourself play people. See what I'm saying in a semi-cloaked manner?
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Well, I personally know 4 people who refuse to wear a mask. I can tell you what they have in common.

A.) They are all Trump people... Like, very MAGA.
B.) They think any disruption to their lives is an assault on their liberty
C.) They used phrases like "this is a free country", "this isn't the Soviet Union", "nobody is going to make me look like a muslim", etc.
D.) They think Covid-19 is media overhype

Two of these people are blood relatives that I speak to regularly, so I get to hear their views often. The other two are co-workers. One of them quit being a co-worker because she said the company couldn't force her to cover her face "like a muslim" because she is a free American.

That's what we are dealing with out there. When you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions.
I know people like that as well, and I wonít make excuses for them. However, I will never support the Marxism that you yourself have defended. I know many reasonable people on both sides but those are becoming increasingly rare. The middle is getting marginalized and both sides are getting farther right and left.

I will never make excuses or defend trump. I donít defend any politicians on either side because the vast majority are criminals that only care about themselves, not the people. They protect their own wealth and power. However, I support conservative values and that mostly aligns with the right. I donít support racism, fascism, Marxism, socialism, or any -ism. There are many problems that reasonable people can agree on, but there are few reasonable people in politics. Each side only wants to win and the American people are the ones that pay the for it.
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Well, I personally know 4 people who refuse to wear a mask. I can tell you what they have in common.

A.) They are all Trump people... Like, very MAGA.
B.) They think any disruption to their lives is an assault on their liberty
C.) They used phrases like "this is a free country", "this isn't the Soviet Union", "nobody is going to make me look like a muslim", etc.
D.) They think Covid-19 is media overhype

Two of these people are blood relatives that I speak to regularly, so I get to hear their views often. The other two are co-workers. One of them quit being a co-worker because she said the company couldn't force her to cover her face "like a muslim" because she is a free American.

That's what we are dealing with out there. When you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions.
You're condemning a whole political party based on 4 people? Are you completely unaware of the degenerates involved with the democratic party? I can name a lot more than 4.
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You're condemning a whole political party based on 4 people? Are you completely unaware of the degenerates involved with the democratic party? I can name a lot more than 4.
First, where did I say anything about political party? Trump has a cult-following that is separate from mainstream GOP. I am referring to the them. I didn't say anything about the Republican Party.

Next, if you are pretending like there aren't millions of people like the ones I described, you are delusional.
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Give me a break. That would be like me listing all of the CRAZY stuff that some folks on the left believe and have been doing, and saying "when you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions." That would be pretty silly, huh?

Just another comment from a member of the left that shows how intolerant they are of differing opinions. FREE THOUGHTS for all, unless you disagree with us. Right?

Be better than that big.

You are correct. While I agree with bigabd on the wearing of masks in public, I respect all rational opinions (and 98% of them are rational). I probably have more conservative friends than liberal ones and can have positive discussions with all of them without losing friendships. Fortunately for me, my conservative friends have no more use for assaulting store / restaurant employees for doing their job than I do. Some will wear masks in public, and others won't. The ones who won't simply stay away from places which require them.

My angst isn't toward differing opinions; it's because some have become completely unraveled so easily (hence my "mentally weak" comment earlier) with these ridiculous assaults.
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Well, I personally know 4 people who refuse to wear a mask. I can tell you what they have in common.

A.) They are all Trump people... Like, very MAGA.
B.) They think any disruption to their lives is an assault on their liberty
C.) They used phrases like "this is a free country", "this isn't the Soviet Union", "nobody is going to make me look like a muslim", etc.
D.) They think Covid-19 is media overhype

Two of these people are blood relatives that I speak to regularly, so I get to hear their views often. The other two are co-workers. One of them quit being a co-worker because she said the company couldn't force her to cover her face "like a muslim" because she is a free American.

That's what we are dealing with out there. When you find yourself on the same side as people like this, it's time to re-think your positions.

I was with you all the way until your last sentence. I explained that in my reply to WTSooner. I guess that is the protocol for someone straight down the middle politically...people can never figure out which side I'm on :-).
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Finally, Texas governor Abbott issues a mandatory face mask order for all counties with 20 or more Covid-19 cases. That's better than no order but why not just issue a statewide order? The virus doesn't care what county you live in. Weird.
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First, where did I say anything about political party? Trump has a cult-following that is separate from mainstream GOP. I am referring to the them. I didn't say anything about the Republican Party.

Next, if you are pretending like there aren't millions of people like the ones I described, you are delusional.
There are millions of idiots in the Republican party. Same for Democrats.
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I know people like that as well, and I wonít make excuses for them. However, I will never support the Marxism that you yourself have defended. I know many reasonable people on both sides but those are becoming increasingly rare. The middle is getting marginalized and both sides are getting farther right and left.

I will never make excuses or defend trump. I donít defend any politicians on either side because the vast majority are criminals that only care about themselves, not the people. They protect their own wealth and power. However, I support conservative values and that mostly aligns with the right. I donít support racism, fascism, Marxism, socialism, or any -ism. There are many problems that reasonable people can agree on, but there are few reasonable people in politics. Each side only wants to win and the American people are the ones that pay the for it.
then stop dividing sh!t into isms all the damn time. people can be in support of social programs without it being socialism. you benefit from it daily so take off the blinders. people can have similar ideas to marx and it not be marxism.
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