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Old 09-30-2019, 10:03 AM   #1
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Default California signs bill allowing college players to be paid

And here we go.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/sport...rnd/index.html
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Old 09-30-2019, 11:50 AM   #2
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They legalized marijuana in Colorado. But if you work for my company you can't smoke. No big deal...
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Old 09-30-2019, 11:58 AM   #3
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NCAA will be fine. Cali is a special place.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:52 PM   #4
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New York and South Carolina are considering similar bills.
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Old 09-30-2019, 03:34 PM   #5
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New York and South Carolina are considering similar bills.
Interesting...New York I can see since it is similar to California in being a very liberal state. However, If one of the most conservative states in the union in South Carolina is also on board, it's just a matter of time for every other state joins in.
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Interesting...New York I can see since it is similar to California in being a very liberal state. However, If one of the most conservative states in the union in South Carolina is also on board, it's just a matter of time for every other state joins in.
On the state level, NY is less liberal than you might think. Republicans held the majority in the state legislature for years until recently and Republicans have frequently been elected governor.
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:21 PM   #7
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This isn't expected to be enacted/realized until 2023. And the judicial process is about to get started.....you think the NCAA is just going to cower and let this stand? I don't know much about CA jurisprudence, but since it's the NCAA....I anticipate some long legal battles at the Federal level before this is over.
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Old 10-01-2019, 07:08 AM   #8
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Interesting...New York I can see since it is similar to California in being a very liberal state. However, If one of the most conservative states in the union in South Carolina is also on board, it's just a matter of time for every other state joins in.
You know that tiny little town in west South Carolina? Yeah, now you know why they are looking at this. Anything for an advantage for recruiting. I doubt this would EVER pass in Oklahoma. Like, it took an act of God for them to pay teachers. If it makes sense, or is good for common, non-O&G millionaires, then it doesn't fly.
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You know that tiny little town in west South Carolina? Yeah, now you know why they are looking at this. Anything for an advantage for recruiting. I doubt this would EVER pass in Oklahoma. Like, it took an act of God for them to pay teachers. If it makes sense, or is good for common, non-O&G millionaires, then it doesn't fly.
Those oil and gas millionaires still want ou and osu to be competitive in football
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Why is this a partisan issue? Are you suggesting that free market conservative Republicans will be against college athletes being fairly compensated for their ability, likeness, etc by Nike and liberal Democrats will be for it?

I don't get the connection to the politics on this issue.
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I don't see it as a political issue. I see it as a major recruiting advantage to the big schools with a winning history like OU. How many will buy a shirt of the biggest star at Appalachian State? How many fans do they have compared to Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:42 AM   #12
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Let's see if I can state this non-politically:

---there is often a difference in NY/Massachusetts Republicans and southern Rep. NY/Mass were Republicans in 1950.

---football fans tend to be conservative, more likely to support organization
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Having read the article it appears that as usual the politicians haven't considered all of the ramifications of this step. Their only concern is what gets them votes. Also as often the legislation will create a number of agent careers for lawyers.

Several questions

Will there be a limit on the percentage the athlete gets or will all deals be individual as agents will be involved.

Will the higher power agents be directing athletes to their institution of choice. Will that be a problem. Will the coaches be dealing with agents in the recruiting process. How about boosters? Will they be able to recruit the best agents for their school.

Can the NCAA set some arbitrary ceiling on the percentage that goes to the athlete.

Will any athlete benefit materially other than the elite. Are there any equal pay issues for women.

I am not familiar with what the schools market. Will this be mainly a football item or maybe men's basketball in the blue blood basketball schools.

Will professional agents be allowed to represent college athletes. What a way to build an early relationship.

How much will this legislation increase the cost of items for fans. It will to some degree.

By 2021 a recruit can look to an advantage by choosing schools in California or any other state that passes the same legislation. Will Oklahoma and Texas sit idly by and allow that advantage.

Is this just a preliminary step to national legislation?

If there is not some standard set for the size of the contract will this involve a bidding war between the major powers for elite players.

Is this the beginning of the end for the NCAA to regulate competition?

A lot has been said that the players work hard and the schools make big money from their efforts and the players should receive some reward for the effort. Does that mean all players or only those whose items sell a lot and their agent cuts a good deal for them. Again what about equal pay for the women athletes.

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I don't think this was thought through well and will end up making it worse for players. Only dozens of football and basketball programs end up making enough money to pay for everything college athletics right now. Most of the sports programs lose money in college athletics. So players getting endorsements or getting paid would end up having little reason for colleges to give those players scholarships so the colleges would save money there.

Then women sports for the most part don't make enough money anyway to really get any outside endorsements also. Maybe UConn players do but that's about it. This would have all sorts of title IX problems because women wouldn't be making money on this because their programs usually lose money. But it's also the same for lesser sports. Why would anyone go to a baseball program when they could probably just go to MLB and make more money out of high school?

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I don't see it as a political issue. I see it as a major recruiting advantage to the big schools with a winning history like OU. How many will buy a shirt of the biggest star at Appalachian State? How many fans do they have compared to Alabama, Ohio State and Oklahoma.
This has been my main argument.
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Having read the article it appears that as usual the politicians haven't considered all of the ramifications of this step. Their only concern is what gets them votes. Also as often the legislation will create a number of agent careers for lawyers.

Several questions

Will there be a limit on the percentage the athlete gets or will all deals be individual as agents will be involved.

Will the higher power agents be directing athletes to their institution of choice. Will that be a problem. Will the coaches be dealing with agents in the recruiting process. How about boosters? Will they be able to recruit the best agents for their school.

Can the NCAA set some arbitrary ceiling on the percentage that goes to the athlete.

Will any athlete benefit materially other than the elite. Are there any equal pay issues for women.

I am not familiar with what the schools market. Will this be mainly a football item or maybe men's basketball in the blue blood basketball schools.

Will professional agents be allowed to represent college athletes. What a way to build an early relationship.

How much will this legislation increase the cost of items for fans. It will to some degree.

By 2021 a recruit can look to an advantage by choosing schools in California or any other state that passes the same legislation. Will Oklahoma and Texas sit idly by and allow that advantage.

Is this just a preliminary step to national legislation?

If there is not some standard set for the size of the contract will this involve a bidding war between the major powers for elite players.

Is this the beginning of the end for the NCAA to regulate competition?

A lot has been said that the players work hard and the schools make big money from their efforts and the players should receive some reward for the effort. Does that mean all players or only those whose items sell a lot and their agent cuts a good deal for them. Again what about equal pay for the women athletes.
the ncaa legally will not be allowed to restrict outside income (they either allow it or not)

they tried that with ast coaches and lost big ...
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